If you’re freaked out by 1-22, you’re looking at the wrong thing
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You didn’t bother listening then. Got it.
You didn’t bother listening then. Got it.
I didn't bother listening either.....so maybe you can paraphrase it for us. Just a few highlights of major points.
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You didn’t bother listening then. Got it.
I didn't bother listening either.....so maybe you can paraphrase it for us. Just a few highlights of major points.
I didn't bother listening either.....so maybe you can paraphrase it for us. Just a few highlights of major points.
I didn't listen either. Id be less freaked out by 1-22 if it appeared that the team was better this season than last season. Yes, the defense does look better at times, but as a whole team, this year is worse than last year. By this point last season the Browns had 4th quarter leads in games and looked really competitive. This year we are down by a million at halftime to Houston...down by 2 million at halftime to Cincy at home (who sucks)..down by a million to the Colts (who suck) at halftime. This team has played 2 good games out of 7...the opening loss to the Steelers and last week against the Titans. Every other game has been a huge suck fest.
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As Captain Obvious would say, you can have a far better defense but if the offense is 3 and outing and/or turning it over all the time, you get just what you see this year in the Browns, a TEAM that is worst that actually stops people more often than before. Good news is we also discussed this over the summer and most concluded it would look like this until we find the QB to drop into it like other teams have done. It's very painful to watch, but it is what it is. Hue's poor decisions just make it more painful that it would have already been anyway.
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I didn't bother listening either.....so maybe you can paraphrase it for us. Just a few highlights of major points.
I didn't listen either. Id be less freaked out by 1-22 if it appeared that the team was better this season than last season. Yes, the defense does look better at times, but as a whole team, this year is worse than last year. By this point last season the Browns had 4th quarter leads in games and looked really competitive. This year we are down by a million at halftime to Houston...down by 2 million at halftime to Cincy at home (who sucks)..down by a million to the Colts (who suck) at halftime. This team has played 2 good games out of 7...the opening loss to the Steelers and last week against the Titans. Every other game has been a huge suck fest.
I didn't listen either. Id be less freaked out by 1-22 if it appeared that the team was better this season than last season. Yes, the defense does look better at times, but as a whole team, this year is worse than last year. By this point last season the Browns had 4th quarter leads in games and looked really competitive. This year we are down by a million at halftime to Houston...down by 2 million at halftime to Cincy at home (who sucks)..down by a million to the Colts (who suck) at halftime. This team has played 2 good games out of 7...the opening loss to the Steelers and last week against the Titans. Every other game has been a huge suck fest.
I couldn't agree more. The only reason the D looked ok was because Mariota could barely move. If he had any type of mobility, we would've been crushed. We will get crushed against Minnesota. Now, I'm not saying we will not get it right with our picks next year. I believe we will, but again, we must mast make the right picks. WRs, CBs and QB.
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We have some nice, sneaky talent.
Everyone loved how we groomed Buster Skrine and guys like that. We have a whole team of that now.
This team down the road is really talented not counting QB, WR, FS and LT (sans Joe)
FIFY
FIFY
Yeah, God forbid the entire roster isn't stacked yet.
The biggest crock of Sheet out there.. Take this slag team and burn it...
That's what we did....
I didn't listen either. Id be less freaked out by 1-22 if it appeared that the team was better this season than last season. Yes, the defense does look better at times, but as a whole team, this year is worse than last year. By this point last season the Browns had 4th quarter leads in games and looked really competitive. This year we are down by a million at halftime to Houston...down by 2 million at halftime to Cincy at home (who sucks)..down by a million to the Colts (who suck) at halftime. This team has played 2 good games out of 7...the opening loss to the Steelers and last week against the Titans. Every other game has been a huge suck fest.
They're better this year. Not even close. Yes, the offense was better last year because it had much better QB play with McCown and Kessler.
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FIFY
Yeah, God forbid the entire roster isn't stacked yet.
The biggest crock of Sheet out there.. Take this slag team and burn it...
That's what we did....
I didn't listen either. Id be less freaked out by 1-22 if it appeared that the team was better this season than last season. Yes, the defense does look better at times, but as a whole team, this year is worse than last year. By this point last season the Browns had 4th quarter leads in games and looked really competitive. This year we are down by a million at halftime to Houston...down by 2 million at halftime to Cincy at home (who sucks)..down by a million to the Colts (who suck) at halftime. This team has played 2 good games out of 7...the opening loss to the Steelers and last week against the Titans. Every other game has been a huge suck fest.
They're better this year. Not even close. Yes, the offense was better last year because it had much better QB play with McCown and Kessler.
Yeah, God forbid the entire roster isn't stacked yet.
We're only a draft away.
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You didn’t bother listening then. Got it.
You didn’t bother listening then. Got it.
The NFL has the media pimping the Browns organization to keep fans from abandoning the cash cow. That is the only thing this azzhole report is about. There is no up side to 1 -22. There is no rebuliding going on, there is no amassing assets, there is no foundation. There is 1 -22 and the designation as the dumbest fans in the NFL.
I said it during the 1st quarter of the 2106 pre-season and I will say it again....Hue Jackson is the worst HC in the history of the NFL,a nd he WILL be fired before his contract is up.
Go Vikings. I hope they injure a bunch of the Browns. This franchise needs to be sold, or moved and renamed. There is nothing salvageable here.
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You didn’t bother listening then. Got it.
The NFL has the media pimping the Browns organization to keep fans from abandoning the cash cow. That is the only thing this azzhole report is about. There is no up side to 1 -22. There is no rebuliding going on, there is no amassing assets, there is no foundation. There is 1 -22 and the designation as the dumbest fans in the NFL.
I said it during the 1st quarter of the 2106 pre-season and I will say it again....Hue Jackson is the worst HC in the history of the NFL,a nd he WILL be fired before his contract is up.
Go Vikings. I hope they injure a bunch of the Browns. This franchise needs to be sold, or moved and renamed. There is nothing salvageable here.
The NFL has the media pimping the Browns organization to keep fans from abandoning the cash cow. That is the only thing this azzhole report is about. There is no up side to 1 -22. There is no rebuliding going on, there is no amassing assets, there is no foundation. There is 1 -22 and the designation as the dumbest fans in the NFL.
I said it during the 1st quarter of the 2106 pre-season and I will say it again....Hue Jackson is the worst HC in the history of the NFL,a nd he WILL be fired before his contract is up.
Go Vikings. I hope they injure a bunch of the Browns. This franchise needs to be sold, or moved and renamed. There is nothing salvageable here.
Yep. No relapse here.
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The NFL has the media pimping the Browns organization to keep fans from abandoning the cash cow. That is the only thing this azzhole report is about. There is no up side to 1 -22. There is no rebuliding going on, there is no amassing assets, there is no foundation. There is 1 -22 and the designation as the dumbest fans in the NFL.
I said it during the 1st quarter of the 2106 pre-season and I will say it again....Hue Jackson is the worst HC in the history of the NFL,a nd he WILL be fired before his contract is up.
Go Vikings. I hope they injure a bunch of the Browns. This franchise needs to be sold, or moved and renamed. There is nothing salvageable here.
Yep. No relapse here.
Yep. No relapse here.
LOL! "It's only a flesh wound" not a full blown relapse.
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@boo-fagley said:
I wouldn't trade anyone.
I would leave Hue in London so the Browns have a chance to win a game on US soil.
Leave him at the airport.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
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The d is fine it's always been ok but they always look bad because there always in the field. We don't need a qb we don't need wrs we need o lineman that's it. We build a great like the team will win period.
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I seriously think this franchise is at least another five years away from competing. There's nobody to build around. Wheres the franchise QB? WR? Anything?
I seriously think this franchise is at least another five years away from competing. There's nobody to build around. Wheres the franchise QB? WR? Anything?
Dawgs,
the bad thing for us, beside your post being 100% correct, is that if you are being honest, we can't even talk about 5 years down the road. THe average player life is only 3.something years, so really it is impossible to make projections into the future.
I look at it with an added thought. It isn't that we don't have a franchise QB, great WRs, TEs and key playmakers, the issue is that we have a fan base, media and management that do not believe these things are that important. Until the culture of the team changes and puts value on the most important players, and realizes, like the Steelers and Taps do, that you can get utility fatazz linemen and other utility players all over the place, this team will not turn anything around.
Since the drafting of Tim Couch, the entire focus of the draft and of building a team has been totally self-destructive. You don't waste $1 picks on schidt like Garrett and Joe Thomas when you have nobody to make plays. It just isn't done. Only in Cleveland do people think this makes sense.
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@boo-fagley said:
I wouldn't trade anyone.
I would leave Hue in London so the Browns have a chance to win a game on US soil.
Leave him at the airport.
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FIFY
Yeah, God forbid the entire roster isn't stacked yet.
The biggest crock of Sheet out there.. Take this slag team and burn it...
That's what we did....
I didn't listen either. Id be less freaked out by 1-22 if it appeared that the team was better this season than last season. Yes, the defense does look better at times, but as a whole team, this year is worse than last year. By this point last season the Browns had 4th quarter leads in games and looked really competitive. This year we are down by a million at halftime to Houston...down by 2 million at halftime to Cincy at home (who sucks)..down by a million to the Colts (who suck) at halftime. This team has played 2 good games out of 7...the opening loss to the Steelers and last week against the Titans. Every other game has been a huge suck fest.
They're better this year. Not even close. Yes, the offense was better last year because it had much better QB play with McCown and Kessler.
Yeah, God forbid the entire roster isn't stacked yet.
That's what we did....
They're better this year. Not even close. Yes, the offense was better last year because it had much better QB play with McCown and Kessler.
Offense has regressed because of poor QB play and terrible coaching choices...Defense has dramatically improved though
hmm i wonder what the cause of that was???? lets sit and think....
oh yea we FIRED THE ENTIRE DEFENSIVE COACHING STAFF... -
Yeah, God forbid the entire roster isn't stacked yet.
That's what we did....
They're better this year. Not even close. Yes, the offense was better last year because it had much better QB play with McCown and Kessler.
Offense has regressed because of poor QB play and terrible coaching choices...Defense has dramatically improved though
hmm i wonder what the cause of that was???? lets sit and think....
oh yea we FIRED THE ENTIRE DEFENSIVE COACHING STAFF...Offense has regressed because of poor QB play and terrible coaching choices...Defense has dramatically improved though
hmm i wonder what the cause of that was???? lets sit and think....
oh yea we FIRED THE ENTIRE DEFENSIVE COACHING STAFF...They're improving...I wouldn't call it a dramatic improvement. The defense was still shredded by the Bengals, Colts and Texans. That's 3 games out of 7 that the defense has been non existant.
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from 31st to 9th in yardage top 5 run defense and 16t in passing defense 24th currently in ppg allowed, down 4 points from last year. we have more forced fumbles this year so far than last, more sacks, less missed tackles. last game withstanding less penalties on the defense than last year as well. Gregg Williams and staff have provided a very very significant upgrade to the defense
We had offensive 25 turnovers all of last year and this year we have 19 through 7 games. in the bengals game we had one of the worst offensive showings in terms of yardage with less than 160 yards before garbage time. the colts and texans both had 3 turnovers. If anyone is keeping track we usually get 2.7 turnovers a game. I'm not sure if its better or worse but only 2 of those have been fumbles.
if our offense was as good as last year we would be 2-5 or 3-5 at least...but unfortunately our purge of defensive coaches did not include Hue Jacksons offense... maybe we can get some good news at the bye...
I'm not worried about 1-22 as much as i am about the COMPLETE lack of improvement on the offense... it's regressed badly and to say otherwise is lying to yourself...and if changing coaches worked for the defense...(like i said it would all of last year and right after they hired ray horton) -
Tom, I wouldn't let him get on the plane either.... Our odds of winning will go way up.....
Just so you know, this is another one of those instances where I was right, you were wrong...we were both hoping I was wrong, and we both wind up on the damned short end of the stick again. I am hoping the game is televised. I have my shirt and plan to be up early with my pooch, having a few screw drivers, thinking about my Mom, and hoping that the players, in the face of adversity, step up to do something fantastic. I cannot believe that this team is playing to their best potential. I jsut cannot believe any group of players can be as bad as they appear.
This blows, to high heaven.
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