AJ McCarron
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Actually you were saying that people only like players of Joe's caliber. Yes there is an area between great and terrible. And the guys we have that are in that area get told they suck so much they actually believe it.
If grown men didn't act like children, I wouldn't have to. Sunshine pumping may not change the product, but whining will only make it worse.
Yes that is definitely what I said. All players must be Joe Thomas caliber. Or....maybe I gave an example of a good player that people don't bag on. If a player's fragile self esteem can't handle scrutiny then they weren't going to make it anyway. I am seriously seeing a generation gap or some sort of disconnect with how you grew up in how you perceive life compared to everyone else. Internet back patting to a scrub is not going to make them all of a sudden not a scrub. Likewise, someone being critical of a good player will not make them fail. If so, they are made of Charmin. It appears that the majority of folks here grew up in "no bull sheit" environments where failure wasn't rewarded with "aww you did your best" .
Being critical of failure should inform those in charge that the consumers aren't happy with the product. Constantly telling a bad restaurant that their food is good does not compel them to make a better tasting product. But I guess you would just give them positive yelp reviews in the hopes that it would raise their self esteem instead of being better at their jobs.
Yes that is definitely what I said. All players must be Joe Thomas caliber. Or....maybe I gave an example of a good player that people don't bag on. If a player's fragile self esteem can't handle scrutiny then they weren't going to make it anyway. I am seriously seeing a generation gap or some sort of disconnect with how you grew up in how you perceive life compared to everyone else. Internet back patting to a scrub is not going to make them all of a sudden not a scrub. Likewise, someone being critical of a good player will not make them fail. If so, they are made of Charmin. It appears that the majority of folks here grew up in "no bull sheit" environments where failure wasn't rewarded with "aww you did your best" .
Being critical of failure should inform those in charge that the consumers aren't happy with the product. Constantly telling a bad restaurant that their food is good does not compel them to make a better tasting product. But I guess you would just give them positive yelp reviews in the hopes that it would raise their self esteem instead of being better at their jobs.
And it's a horrible example. Not everyone is going to be Joe Thomas. And let me remind you that your way has been 20 years of failure. So congrats I guess? Quite the resume. I look at fanbases like Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Dallas, New England and when a guy isn't performing well they don't bag on him 10% of what we do. Culture matters.
Stop saying "internet this" and that. You know I'm referring to a general cultural thing. Internet posts are just indicative of it, not the thing itself. Try to keep up.
I'm sure the first time your baby tried to walk and fell you told him he sucked and should go live somewhere else. That is a much better analogy than that incoherent Yelp review poppySock.
it's fine hoorta, some people are just completely content being stagnant in life, and accept losing.
Not people like you and I.
Yeah I'd be much more of a winner if I wanted to fire everyone just so we could keep losing, like we have for 20 years. Kudos to you man.
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Yes that is definitely what I said. All players must be Joe Thomas caliber. Or....maybe I gave an example of a good player that people don't bag on. If a player's fragile self esteem can't handle scrutiny then they weren't going to make it anyway. I am seriously seeing a generation gap or some sort of disconnect with how you grew up in how you perceive life compared to everyone else. Internet back patting to a scrub is not going to make them all of a sudden not a scrub. Likewise, someone being critical of a good player will not make them fail. If so, they are made of Charmin. It appears that the majority of folks here grew up in "no bull sheit" environments where failure wasn't rewarded with "aww you did your best" .
Being critical of failure should inform those in charge that the consumers aren't happy with the product. Constantly telling a bad restaurant that their food is good does not compel them to make a better tasting product. But I guess you would just give them positive yelp reviews in the hopes that it would raise their self esteem instead of being better at their jobs.
And it's a horrible example. Not everyone is going to be Joe Thomas. And let me remind you that your way has been 20 years of failure. So congrats I guess? Quite the resume. I look at fanbases like Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Dallas, New England and when a guy isn't performing well they don't bag on him 10% of what we do. Culture matters.
Stop saying "internet this" and that. You know I'm referring to a general cultural thing. Internet posts are just indicative of it, not the thing itself. Try to keep up.
I'm sure the first time your baby tried to walk and fell you told him he sucked and should go live somewhere else. That is a much better analogy than that incoherent Yelp review poppySock.
it's fine hoorta, some people are just completely content being stagnant in life, and accept losing.
Not people like you and I.
Yeah I'd be much more of a winner if I wanted to fire everyone just so we could keep losing, like we have for 20 years. Kudos to you man.
Yeah I'd be much more of a winner if I wanted to fire everyone just so we could keep losing, like we have for 20 years. Kudos to you man.
again i said Sashi needs to be demoted, not fired, yet you put words in my mouth and create false narratives in order to try and make your weak argument stronger.
"The Process" is far from perfect and Sashi needs to let someone who knows how to draft, draft instead of him and Mr. Baseball.
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Yes that is definitely what I said. All players must be Joe Thomas caliber. Or....maybe I gave an example of a good player that people don't bag on. If a player's fragile self esteem can't handle scrutiny then they weren't going to make it anyway. I am seriously seeing a generation gap or some sort of disconnect with how you grew up in how you perceive life compared to everyone else. Internet back patting to a scrub is not going to make them all of a sudden not a scrub. Likewise, someone being critical of a good player will not make them fail. If so, they are made of Charmin. It appears that the majority of folks here grew up in "no bull sheit" environments where failure wasn't rewarded with "aww you did your best" .
Being critical of failure should inform those in charge that the consumers aren't happy with the product. Constantly telling a bad restaurant that their food is good does not compel them to make a better tasting product. But I guess you would just give them positive yelp reviews in the hopes that it would raise their self esteem instead of being better at their jobs.
And it's a horrible example. Not everyone is going to be Joe Thomas. And let me remind you that your way has been 20 years of failure. So congrats I guess? Quite the resume. I look at fanbases like Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Dallas, New England and when a guy isn't performing well they don't bag on him 10% of what we do. Culture matters.
Stop saying "internet this" and that. You know I'm referring to a general cultural thing. Internet posts are just indicative of it, not the thing itself. Try to keep up.
I'm sure the first time your baby tried to walk and fell you told him he sucked and should go live somewhere else. That is a much better analogy than that incoherent Yelp review poppySock.
it's fine hoorta, some people are just completely content being stagnant in life, and accept losing.
Not people like you and I.
Yeah I'd be much more of a winner if I wanted to fire everyone just so we could keep losing, like we have for 20 years. Kudos to you man.
And it's a horrible example. Not everyone is going to be Joe Thomas. And let me remind you that your way has been 20 years of failure. So congrats I guess? Quite the resume. I look at fanbases like Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Dallas, New England and when a guy isn't performing well they don't bag on him 10% of what we do. Culture matters.
Stop saying "internet this" and that. You know I'm referring to a general cultural thing. Internet posts are just indicative of it, not the thing itself. Try to keep up.
I'm sure the first time your baby tried to walk and fell you told him he sucked and should go live somewhere else. That is a much better analogy than that incoherent Yelp review poppySock.
Ah the method that every other dumpster team has used to get out of the dump. Yes, total failure for sure. Those other 31 franchises that use normal methods just don’t have the knowledge of Sashi. Get the Shmuck out. We already determined that you think of the NFL within the time frame of 10 years.
Do you think this fan base has only liked Joe Thomas? There are players in between the dog turds and a hall of famer.
Yes, mocking a baby learning to walk = being critical of an adult millionaire being bad at their job.
Apparently it is an internet thing because you were trying to get people to modify how they post because they were saying meanie words about the FO of a 1-23 operation. Sashi the Great and Powerful should be able to hack it. Unless part of the process fails due to negativity on The Browns Board. We are in uncharted territory with record and FO so it may be a metric.
Beginning to think you and London might be Sashi and Paul.
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And it's a horrible example. Not everyone is going to be Joe Thomas. And let me remind you that your way has been 20 years of failure. So congrats I guess? Quite the resume. I look at fanbases like Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Dallas, New England and when a guy isn't performing well they don't bag on him 10% of what we do. Culture matters.
Stop saying "internet this" and that. You know I'm referring to a general cultural thing. Internet posts are just indicative of it, not the thing itself. Try to keep up.
I'm sure the first time your baby tried to walk and fell you told him he sucked and should go live somewhere else. That is a much better analogy than that incoherent Yelp review poppySock.
Ah the method that every other dumpster team has used to get out of the dump. Yes, total failure for sure. Those other 31 franchises that use normal methods just don’t have the knowledge of Sashi. Get the Shmuck out. We already determined that you think of the NFL within the time frame of 10 years.
Do you think this fan base has only liked Joe Thomas? There are players in between the dog turds and a hall of famer.
Yes, mocking a baby learning to walk = being critical of an adult millionaire being bad at their job.
Apparently it is an internet thing because you were trying to get people to modify how they post because they were saying meanie words about the FO of a 1-23 operation. Sashi the Great and Powerful should be able to hack it. Unless part of the process fails due to negativity on The Browns Board. We are in uncharted territory with record and FO so it may be a metric.
Beginning to think you and London might be Sashi and Paul.
Those other 31 franchises that use normal methods just don’t have the knowledge of Sashi.
1) The Browns have done what you proposed since 1999.. and have failed. Under 2 years later you want to stop -- because it's no less successful than anything else?
2) Burden's on you to prove exactly what is abnormal about Browns' decision-making... because all the proof shows that 100% of teams use analytics. Yes, all 32 teams. Not some, not part, not half -- all of them. The link goes through each team in detail, describing the GM-HC-FO utilization.
"Normal methods" in the NFL incorporate analytics at all stages of player evaluation. Time to stop pretending there's something magically different about Berea.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Those other 31 franchises that use normal methods just don’t have the knowledge of Sashi.
1) The Browns have done what you proposed since 1999.. and have failed. Under 2 years later you want to stop -- because it's no less successful than anything else?
2) Burden's on you to prove exactly what is abnormal about Browns' decision-making... because all the proof shows that 100% of teams use analytics. Yes, all 32 teams. Not some, not part, not half -- all of them. The link goes through each team in detail, describing the GM-HC-FO utilization.
"Normal methods" in the NFL incorporate analytics at all stages of player evaluation. Time to stop pretending there's something magically different about Berea.
1) Those "normal methods" are exactly what Browns have done since 1999. Your answer is exactly what has failed for almost 2 decades.. and now under 2 years later you want to stop -- because it's no less successful than anything else?
2) Burden's on you to prove exactly what is abnormal about Browns' decision-making... because all the proof shows that 100% of teams use analytics. Yes, all 32 teams. Not some, not part, not half -- all of them.
I wasn’t referring to analytics. I am not a stats-phobe. But not every team that has rebuilt has gone through and stripped any talent left on the team then strictly only went by analytics. There appear to be no talent evaluators worth a damn in house.
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1) Those "normal methods" are exactly what Browns have done since 1999. Your answer is exactly what has failed for almost 2 decades.. and now under 2 years later you want to stop -- because it's no less successful than anything else?
2) Burden's on you to prove exactly what is abnormal about Browns' decision-making... because all the proof shows that 100% of teams use analytics. Yes, all 32 teams. Not some, not part, not half -- all of them.
I wasn’t referring to analytics. I am not a stats-phobe. But not every team that has rebuilt has gone through and stripped any talent left on the team then strictly only went by analytics. There appear to be no talent evaluators worth a damn in house.
no talent evaluators
Talent evaluation is done via analytics ---- period.
Instead of asserting there's some "other" thing that Browns could magically do after which endless riches would result, perhaps it's time to consider that success in the NFL just might be tough.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
no talent evaluators
Talent evaluation is done via analytics ---- period.
Instead of asserting there's some "other" thing that Browns could magically do after which endless riches would result, perhaps it's time to consider that success in the NFL just might be tough.
Talent evaluation is done via analytics ---- period.
Um , no.
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Show your counterexample.
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Show your counterexample.
Show your counterexample.
The other 31 teams who only use analytics as a part of their talent evaluations who also aren’t 1-23.
The Saints and Bucs were flaming dog crap for decades and got out of the hole pre-analytics. They went on to win championships.
If Sashi and Co. are given another year and it works, I will gladly eat crow. But if it fails on a historic level, everyone who fell in love with it will have to stand up and admit that they shouldn’t have been so smug about this horror show of a process.
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Let me rephrase that question.
If you paid 99 cents vs $1 dollar for an item, is that a significant difference?
Let me rephrase that question.
If you paid 99 cents vs $1 dollar for an item, is that a significant difference?
If you get 5 of the lottery numbers instead of all 6...is that a significant difference? (answer: Oh yea)
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What, SPECIFICALLY, is "all analytics" about the Browns? Not other teams. The Browns.
For someone whose nickname is "logic" it sure seems like you're just trolling because you don't have an answer.
From the article: The analytics side liked Mitch Trubisky over Myles Garrett. We drafted Garrett. NOT an analytics decision, whether you like it or not.
So since it's not every decision.. just some:
Exactly what makes this organization "different" than any other? Some decisions are analytics, and some aren't. And this is new....... how?
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
no talent evaluators
Talent evaluation is done via analytics ---- period.
Instead of asserting there's some "other" thing that Browns could magically do after which endless riches would result, perhaps it's time to consider that success in the NFL just might be tough.
Talent evaluation is done via analytics ---- period.
yes....but who is to say our FO is doing this right?
Bill Bellichek is someone who relies on a very analytics approach to football. My guess is that he would laugh at what the browns are currently doing....
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no talent evaluators
Talent evaluation is done via analytics ---- period.
Instead of asserting there's some "other" thing that Browns could magically do after which endless riches would result, perhaps it's time to consider that success in the NFL just might be tough.
Talent evaluation is done via analytics ---- period.
I don't think that is totally true. Analytics is used extensively...but not exclusively. I mean....talented evaluators still have to eyeball the talent that is out there...and they still have to judge their heart/character/determination. Analytics said Tom Brady was at best a 6th round long shot prospect. But other things do come into play.
Instead of asserting there's some "other" thing that Browns could magically do after which endless riches would result, perhaps it's time to consider that success in the NFL just might be tough.
Well...that is true..using analytics or not...or some combination.
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Talent evaluation is done via analytics ---- period.
yes....but who is to say our FO is doing this right?
Bill Bellichek is someone who relies on a very analytics approach to football. My guess is that he would laugh at what the browns are currently doing....
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Those other 31 franchises that use normal methods just don’t have the knowledge of Sashi.
1) The Browns have done what you proposed since 1999.. and have failed. Under 2 years later you want to stop -- because it's no less successful than anything else?
2) Burden's on you to prove exactly what is abnormal about Browns' decision-making... because all the proof shows that 100% of teams use analytics. Yes, all 32 teams. Not some, not part, not half -- all of them. The link goes through each team in detail, describing the GM-HC-FO utilization.
"Normal methods" in the NFL incorporate analytics at all stages of player evaluation. Time to stop pretending there's something magically different about Berea.
Under 2 years later you want to stop -- because it's no less successful than anything else?
NO LESS SUCCESSFUL??
We're 1-23 and have NEVER been more unsuccessful.
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What, SPECIFICALLY, is "all analytics" about the Browns? Not other teams. The Browns.
For someone whose nickname is "logic" it sure seems like you're just trolling because you don't have an answer.
From the article: The analytics side liked Mitch Trubisky over Myles Garrett. We drafted Garrett. NOT an analytics decision, whether you like it or not.
So since it's not every decision.. just some:
Exactly what makes this organization "different" than any other? Some decisions are analytics, and some aren't. And this is new....... how?
What, SPECIFICALLY, is "all analytics" about the Browns? Not other teams. The Browns.
For someone whose nickname is "logic" it sure seems like you're just trolling because you don't have an answer.
From the article: The analytics side liked Mitch Trubisky over Myles Garrett. We drafted Garrett. NOT an analytics decision, whether you like it or not.
So since it's not every decision.. just some:
Exactly what makes this organization "different" than any other? Some decisions are analytics, and some aren't. And this is new....... how?
Name the talent evaluator in house who is having their say in decision making on draft picks. I hope they weren’t behind the WR heavy draft that ended with a handful of sand.
If the Browns aren’t doing anything new then why am I hearing a few voices talking about how they are doing something different than previous regimes and other franchises? That seems to be the complaint that traditional methods didn’t work for the Browns thus this new process. Can’t have it both ways.
I know your pants get tight over analytics and PFF. The rest of us are less enthused. The results are pretty clear.
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What, SPECIFICALLY, is "all analytics" about the Browns? Not other teams. The Browns.
For someone whose nickname is "logic" it sure seems like you're just trolling because you don't have an answer.
From the article: The analytics side liked Mitch Trubisky over Myles Garrett. We drafted Garrett. NOT an analytics decision, whether you like it or not.
So since it's not every decision.. just some:
Exactly what makes this organization "different" than any other? Some decisions are analytics, and some aren't. And this is new....... how?
Name the talent evaluator in house who is having their say in decision making on draft picks. I hope they weren’t behind the WR heavy draft that ended with a handful of sand.
If the Browns aren’t doing anything new then why am I hearing a few voices talking about how they are doing something different than previous regimes and other franchises? That seems to be the complaint that traditional methods didn’t work for the Browns thus this new process. Can’t have it both ways.
I know your pants get tight over analytics and PFF. The rest of us are less enthused. The results are pretty clear.
Name the talent evaluator in house who is having their say in decision making on draft picks. I hope they weren’t behind the WR heavy draft that ended with a handful of sand.
If the Browns aren’t doing anything new then why am I hearing a few voices talking about how they are doing something different than previous regimes and other franchises? That seems to be the complaint that traditional methods didn’t work for the Browns thus this new process. Can’t have it both ways.
I know your pants get tight over analytics and PFF. The rest of us are less enthused. The results are pretty clear.
1) Talent evaluator - Everyone. They've said this repeatedly, you just haven't wanted to believe it. Consensus decision making is.. everyone.
2) Reread the above link. Every 2017 NFL team uses analytics. This is something new - FOR EVERY TEAM.
Your role is to show why Browns "new" way is substantially different than other teams' in 2017 ---- not different than the past, because that's a given for every team.
3) Seems to be the complaint?
You're the one who can't have it both ways ---- 4-12 is not working, yet you want to go back to the same method that brought us glorious seasons of 5-11.
4) I know you get your pants tight over repeating the same methods that brought us 5-11 teams. The rest of us are less enthused, because those results are clear.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
1) Talent evaluator - Everyone. They've said this repeatedly, you just haven't wanted to believe it. Consensus decision making is....everyone.
OK, fine, it is everyone......now name the one or two guys that are part of everyone that is actually worth a shite at doing their job. Not sure there is anyone.
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Name the talent evaluator in house who is having their say in decision making on draft picks. I hope they weren’t behind the WR heavy draft that ended with a handful of sand.
If the Browns aren’t doing anything new then why am I hearing a few voices talking about how they are doing something different than previous regimes and other franchises? That seems to be the complaint that traditional methods didn’t work for the Browns thus this new process. Can’t have it both ways.
I know your pants get tight over analytics and PFF. The rest of us are less enthused. The results are pretty clear.
1) Talent evaluator - Everyone. They've said this repeatedly, you just haven't wanted to believe it. Consensus decision making is.. everyone.
2) Reread the above link. Every 2017 NFL team uses analytics. This is something new - FOR EVERY TEAM.
Your role is to show why Browns "new" way is substantially different than other teams' in 2017 ---- not different than the past, because that's a given for every team.
3) Seems to be the complaint?
You're the one who can't have it both ways ---- 4-12 is not working, yet you want to go back to the same method that brought us glorious seasons of 5-11.
4) I know you get your pants tight over repeating the same methods that brought us 5-11 teams. The rest of us are less enthused, because those results are clear.
1) Talent evaluator - Everyone. They've said this repeatedly, you just haven't wanted to believe it. Consensus decision making is.. everyone.
2) Reread the above link. Every 2017 NFL team uses analytics. This is something new - FOR EVERY TEAM.
Your role is to show why Browns "new" way is substantially different than other teams' in 2017 ---- not different than the past, because that's a given for every team.
3) Seems to be the complaint?
You're the one who can't have it both ways ---- 4-12 is not working, yet you want to go back to the same method that brought us glorious seasons of 5-11.
4) I know you get your pants tight over repeating the same methods that brought us 5-11 teams. The rest of us are less enthused, because those results are clear.
No other team has completely scrapped any talent on their squad then tried to build from there. The other 31 use analytics as one tool in the toolbox. Not basing their entire approach on it, going so far as to bring in the guy who made it famous...in baseball.
Other teams have successfully brought themselves out of the dump without demolishing all of the in house talent. However, they also brought in the right people. The Browns seem cursed to bring in incompetent execs while the other franchises seem to have some hits with their misses. It appears the Browns are breaking new ground at being awful thanks in part to the front office a few people here adore. Empty offices could produce as many wins and progress as this front office has produced. No team will suck in NFL history as hard as the Browns have under Sashi and Co.
Sorry that people aren’t pumped about historic failure.
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1) Talent evaluator - Everyone. They've said this repeatedly, you just haven't wanted to believe it. Consensus decision making is....everyone.
OK, fine, it is everyone......now name the one or two guys that are part of everyone that is actually worth a shite at doing their job. Not sure there is anyone.
1) Talent evaluator - Everyone. They've said this repeatedly, you just haven't wanted to believe it. Consensus decision making is....everyone.
OK, fine, it is everyone......now name the one or two guys that are part of everyone that is actually worth a shite at doing their job. Not sure there is anyone.
Well I guess that means everyone that is under the roof right now can't evaluate talent.
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