***Official Browns @ Bengals Game Day Thread***
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Kosar should have been at the least draft consulting for years now.
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I love Kosar, but Bernie's got some "issues".
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Yes, he has done very good on channel 19 with preseason coverage. Also each pregame on the radio he does analysis that is usually spot on. He has forgot more about football than this whole FO knows about it combined!
Channel 19 preseason coverage and pregame radio analysis and we want him to jump into running an entire NFL franchise, smh. I get he's a name but c'mon can't he run a successful auto dealership first?
Channel 19 preseason coverage and pregame radio analysis and we want him to jump into running an entire NFL franchise, smh. I get he's a name but c'mon can't he run a successful auto dealership first?
What's Peyton done? Elway? Lynch? Bernie been around the game his whole life too. Plus he has a pretty high IQ. What's Hue done? Stosh? Can Bernie do worse?
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I love Kosar, but Bernie's got some "issues".
I love Kosar, but Bernie's got some "issues".
Read his book
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Asking seriously, has Kosar been successful at anything after football? In business, broadcasting, coaching, parenting, life, anything?
Asking seriously, has Kosar been successful at anything after football? In business, broadcasting, coaching, parenting, life, anything?
Bernie owns a farm, and also owns Kosars Wood Fired Grill at the Northfield Hard Rock Rocksino.
https://www.hrrocksinonorthfieldpark.com/kosars-wood-fired-grill.htm
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jabril might have gotten trucked there but he held on. I like that he's getting up and jawing. I wanna see more of that. Go hit somebody pep, take a personal foul who cares. JUst light someone on fire we'll love ya
jabril might have gotten trucked there but he held on. I like that he's getting up and jawing. I wanna see more of that. Go hit somebody pep, take a personal foul who cares. JUst light someone on fire we'll love ya
You should have been in the tavern chat. Apparently he was "celebrating". I was trying to explain he wasn't but anything I say about Peppers doesn't count apparently.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
jabril might have gotten trucked there but he held on. I like that he's getting up and jawing. I wanna see more of that. Go hit somebody pep, take a personal foul who cares. JUst light someone on fire we'll love ya
You should have been in the tavern chat. Apparently he was "celebrating". I was trying to explain he wasn't but anything I say about Peppers doesn't count apparently.
You should have been in the tavern chat. Apparently he was "celebrating". I was trying to explain he wasn't but anything I say about Peppers doesn't count apparently.
Woodster, that was one of the most horrible penalties I've ever seen. Pissburgh player like Headhunter Harrison, that's a no-call, bet on it. The NFL owes the Browns an apology for essentially costing us a chance at winning a game.
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jabril might have gotten trucked there but he held on. I like that he's getting up and jawing. I wanna see more of that. Go hit somebody pep, take a personal foul who cares. JUst light someone on fire we'll love ya
You should have been in the tavern chat. Apparently he was "celebrating". I was trying to explain he wasn't but anything I say about Peppers doesn't count apparently.
You should have been in the tavern chat. Apparently he was "celebrating". I was trying to explain he wasn't but anything I say about Peppers doesn't count apparently.
I would like to see Peppers clapping more after he tackles rivals after a 15 yard gain. I also would like to see Kizer clapping after making a INT, Gonzalez after missing a FG and even Coleman after dropping a TD.
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You should have been in the tavern chat. Apparently he was "celebrating". I was trying to explain he wasn't but anything I say about Peppers doesn't count apparently.
I would like to see Peppers clapping more after he tackles rivals after a 15 yard gain. I also would like to see Kizer clapping after making a INT, Gonzalez after missing a FG and even Coleman after dropping a TD.
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You should have been in the tavern chat. Apparently he was "celebrating". I was trying to explain he wasn't but anything I say about Peppers doesn't count apparently.
Woodster, that was one of the most horrible penalties I've ever seen. Pissburgh player like Headhunter Harrison, that's a no-call, bet on it. The NFL owes the Browns an apology for essentially costing us a chance at winning a game.
Woodster, that was one of the most horrible penalties I've ever seen. Pissburgh player like Headhunter Harrison, that's a no-call, bet on it. The NFL owes the Browns an apology for essentially costing us a chance at winning a game.
The league will probably fine him. The crown of his helmet hit the receiver on the chin. I don't like the call but it called all the time. Welcome to Goodells gayer NFL
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I never posted an official prediction score, but what I told my friends is we'd lose 27-13. Even though we eventually lost by two touchdowns, the game was much closer than I predicted. I didn't believe we'd be able to move the ball, and our lone touchdown would come as a result of garbage time. I could not have been more wrong. We moved the ball consistently pretty much all game, both on ground and through the air. The only reason we lost was because of our red zone inadequacies. Yeah, we can point to the defense and how they gave up a ton of rushing yards, or how we dropped potentially game-changing interceptions, and questionable penalties...but we lost because we can't score touchdowns. It's been this way all year.
I believe we had four red zone trips, and we didn't score a touchdown until our last visit, on 4th down. It was actually a wonderful playcall, and it was well-executed by Kizer and the OL. In fact, it's a call I've been BEGGING for all season....mainly because it always seems to work against US. Anyways, we don't score touchdowns in the red zone, and worst of all, we GIVE UP touchdowns to the opposition at a clip of almost 80%. I don't know what the worst defensive percentage is during the last 15 years, but I'm guessing 80% HAS to be in the top ten. Even our defense last year, the one that couldn't stop ANYONE on the ground, "only" gave up TD's at 67%. That number was terrible enough...but 80?!
Anyways, my biggest issue with our first 3 trips to the red zone was that we weren't even that CLOSE to scoring a touchdown. Can you guys think of a play that "almost" scored? Even the unfathomable drop by Corey Coleman doesn't count because it was thrown outside of the red zone. I can't think of ANY plays we ran on our first 3 red zone trips that really could've scored. And I get it, I really do. We're being BEYOND careful with Kizer due to his plentiful red zone turnovers this season. But here's the thing...we need TOUCHDOWNS. We can't just run that Crowell off-tackle play on 1st and goal EVERY TIME and hope to all heck that he's going to get in. More often than not, it goes nowhere, and sometimes it even goes BACKWARDS. The rule of thumb I always heard was that play-action is best used on 1st and 3rd down when close to scoring. Every week I watch the YouTube video of "All Touchdowns Scored", and every week I see a boatload of relatively easy TD's scored by so many different teams. Many on play-action to a guy open in the end zone. Others are passes to the corner, or "dig routes" to the outside while moving the pocket, or well-executed WR screens, TE middle "shovel passes", or lord knows what else. How do we not HAVE THOSE TYPE OF PLAYS?!
Yeah, our defense really sucked. I counted three interceptions we could've had, and we didn't make ANY of them. Now, none were what I call "easy plays", but they are the type of plays we HAVE to make in order to win games. Sometimes we have to be spectacular. Sometimes we have to make "that play" that results in an amazing defensive touchdown. Boddy-Calhoun had two opportunities...two. Until somebody makes those plays, we won't win. I see them made all of the time, every week. Just not usually by us.
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I never posted an official prediction score, but what I told my friends is we'd lose 27-13. Even though we eventually lost by two touchdowns, the game was much closer than I predicted. I didn't believe we'd be able to move the ball, and our lone touchdown would come as a result of garbage time. I could not have been more wrong. We moved the ball consistently pretty much all game, both on ground and through the air. The only reason we lost was because of our red zone inadequacies. Yeah, we can point to the defense and how they gave up a ton of rushing yards, or how we dropped potentially game-changing interceptions, and questionable penalties...but we lost because we can't score touchdowns. It's been this way all year.
I believe we had four red zone trips, and we didn't score a touchdown until our last visit, on 4th down. It was actually a wonderful playcall, and it was well-executed by Kizer and the OL. In fact, it's a call I've been BEGGING for all season....mainly because it always seems to work against US. Anyways, we don't score touchdowns in the red zone, and worst of all, we GIVE UP touchdowns to the opposition at a clip of almost 80%. I don't know what the worst defensive percentage is during the last 15 years, but I'm guessing 80% HAS to be in the top ten. Even our defense last year, the one that couldn't stop ANYONE on the ground, "only" gave up TD's at 67%. That number was terrible enough...but 80?!
Anyways, my biggest issue with our first 3 trips to the red zone was that we weren't even that CLOSE to scoring a touchdown. Can you guys think of a play that "almost" scored? Even the unfathomable drop by Corey Coleman doesn't count because it was thrown outside of the red zone. I can't think of ANY plays we ran on our first 3 red zone trips that really could've scored. And I get it, I really do. We're being BEYOND careful with Kizer due to his plentiful red zone turnovers this season. But here's the thing...we need TOUCHDOWNS. We can't just run that Crowell off-tackle play on 1st and goal EVERY TIME and hope to all heck that he's going to get in. More often than not, it goes nowhere, and sometimes it even goes BACKWARDS. The rule of thumb I always heard was that play-action is best used on 1st and 3rd down when close to scoring. Every week I watch the YouTube video of "All Touchdowns Scored", and every week I see a boatload of relatively easy TD's scored by so many different teams. Many on play-action to a guy open in the end zone. Others are passes to the corner, or "dig routes" to the outside while moving the pocket, or well-executed WR screens, TE middle "shovel passes", or lord knows what else. How do we not HAVE THOSE TYPE OF PLAYS?!
Yeah, our defense really sucked. I counted three interceptions we could've had, and we didn't make ANY of them. Now, none were what I call "easy plays", but they are the type of plays we HAVE to make in order to win games. Sometimes we have to be spectacular. Sometimes we have to make "that play" that results in an amazing defensive touchdown. Boddy-Calhoun had two opportunities...two. Until somebody makes those plays, we won't win. I see them made all of the time, every week. Just not usually by us.
Anyways, my biggest issue with our first 3 trips to the red zone was that we weren't even that CLOSE to scoring a touchdown. Can you guys think of a play that "almost" scored? Even the unfathomable drop by Corey Coleman doesn't count because it was thrown outside of the red zone. I can't think of ANY plays we ran on our first 3 red zone trips that really could've scored. And I get it, I really do. We're being BEYOND careful with Kizer due to his plentiful red zone turnovers this season. But here's the thing...we need TOUCHDOWNS. We can't just run that Crowell off-tackle play on 1st and goal EVERY TIME and hope to all heck that he's going to get in. More often than not, it goes nowhere, and sometimes it even goes BACKWARDS. The rule of thumb I always heard was that play-action is best used on 1st and 3rd down when close to scoring. Every week I watch the YouTube video of "All Touchdowns Scored", and every week I see a boatload of relatively easy TD's scored by so many different teams. Many on play-action to a guy open in the end zone. Others are passes to the corner, or "dig routes" to the outside while moving the pocket, or well-executed WR screens, TE middle "shovel passes", or lord knows what else. How do we not HAVE THOSE TYPE OF PLAYS?!
I hear ya big time. We don't ever try the play-action fake and a flip to the tight end under the goal posts, EVER. Probably not since Testaverde.
Part of it now is I don't think Kizer is very good at carrying out a play fake. Certainly, this is teachable, so TEACH!!
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This team Shmucking blows.. They don't know how to use the players they got!
THROW LOBS TO NJOKU! HE'S Shmucking HUGE! STOP THE BS HUE AND GET A CLUE YA BUM!!!!
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Shmuck we should have had Wentz Shmuckkkk!
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Anyways, my biggest issue with our first 3 trips to the red zone was that we weren't even that CLOSE to scoring a touchdown. Can you guys think of a play that "almost" scored? Even the unfathomable drop by Corey Coleman doesn't count because it was thrown outside of the red zone. I can't think of ANY plays we ran on our first 3 red zone trips that really could've scored. And I get it, I really do. We're being BEYOND careful with Kizer due to his plentiful red zone turnovers this season. But here's the thing...we need TOUCHDOWNS. We can't just run that Crowell off-tackle play on 1st and goal EVERY TIME and hope to all heck that he's going to get in. More often than not, it goes nowhere, and sometimes it even goes BACKWARDS. The rule of thumb I always heard was that play-action is best used on 1st and 3rd down when close to scoring. Every week I watch the YouTube video of "All Touchdowns Scored", and every week I see a boatload of relatively easy TD's scored by so many different teams. Many on play-action to a guy open in the end zone. Others are passes to the corner, or "dig routes" to the outside while moving the pocket, or well-executed WR screens, TE middle "shovel passes", or lord knows what else. How do we not HAVE THOSE TYPE OF PLAYS?!
I hear ya big time. We don't ever try the play-action fake and a flip to the tight end under the goal posts, EVER. Probably not since Testaverde.
Part of it now is I don't think Kizer is very good at carrying out a play fake. Certainly, this is teachable, so TEACH!!
I hear ya big time. We don't ever try the play-action fake and a flip to the tight end under the goal posts, EVER. Probably not since Testaverde.
Part of it now is I don't think Kizer is very good at carrying out a play fake. Certainly, this is teachable, so TEACH!!
Well, the anouncers said it during the game, that play action we tried with a seam route from the slot never looked like a run play. But that's not on Kizer. I watched in the replay that the line doesn't push forward, neither the running back hammers like a ram, so they actually saw the pass coming and broke it.
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I'm all for Kosar as our GM. Let him find a young hungry talented coach.
i get this aweful feeling that Haslem would prefer Manning over Kosar at this point..
agree with you though. The wife ordered Kosar's book for Xmas..should be a good read
i get this aweful feeling that Haslem would prefer Manning over Kosar at this point..
agree with you though. The wife ordered Kosar's book for Xmas..should be a good read
There is a simple reason for that having nothing to do with the personal capabilities of the individuals involved: Jimmy is from Knoxville and is a big U.Tenn fan.. And Peyton played there.
That is all.
Not that Peyton could not be capable....who knows. But that connection is the be all and end all of the equation to bring Peyton here if it were to happen.
But...Jesus....Tennessee has its own issues. Fires a bad coach....then hires Schiano...and then reneges on that.
It kinda sounds like anything Jimmy H. has his fingers in turns to shite.
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Notable absences from the complaints this week...
- We can't run the ball/abandon the run (169 yds; 5.5 ypc)
- Britt... (gorgeous catch and run)
- Peppers this or that... (best game)
- Stupid Kizer throws... (no INTs)
I'm sure I'm overlooking a few oldies...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Notable absences from the complaints this week...
- We can't run the ball/abandon the run (169 yds; 5.5 ypc)
- Britt... (gorgeous catch and run)
- Peppers this or that... (best game)
- Stupid Kizer throws... (no INTs)
I'm sure I'm overlooking a few oldies...
Notable absences from the complaints this week...
- We can't run the ball/abandon the run (169 yds; 5.5 ypc)
- Britt... (gorgeous catch and run)
- Peppers this or that... (best game)
- Stupid Kizer throws... (no INTs)
I'm sure I'm overlooking a few oldies...
As I said about this team: they will do whatever it takes to lose.
If it takes being unable to run the ball....they do that.
If it takes Britt failing to perform....they do that
If it takes Pepper to play poorly....that will happen
If it takes Kizer throwing interceptions...he will do that.
If it takes anything else: poor tackling, penalties, poor defense, poor blocking...it will happen.
Something good MAY happen for this team in every game (last week they stopped all the stupid penalties)...but those things won't be enough. Something else will crop up that causes the Browns to be fuyuckyuckyucked.
They will do whatever it takes to lose.....and sometimes be very creative at it.
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