There's no way these guys have jobs if 0-16 happens..
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Giants were in the playoffs last season and won 2 games this year and they just fired their HC and GM today.
Giants were in the playoffs last season and won 2 games this year and they just fired their HC and GM today.
Your comparing a well run ( sans 2017), storied franchise, to one of the most toxic dumpster fires in the last twenty years. These two franchises don't belong in the same sentence.
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So answer this question - if McCown were back this year at QB, how many wins would we have had this year (so far)? We could have beaten both SD and Jacksonville with McCown - and probably the Steelers week 1. That's three potential playoff teams as things stand right now. Not that McCown is the answer beyond this year possibly next - he is not - not that McCown would have taken us to the playoffs or a wining record - mostly like he would not have - but it's the front office that is responsible for the complete nightmare fiasco at QB, byt FAR the most important position on the field. The QB alone cost us the game yesterday. Missed Josh Gordon on one mostly like two long touchdown passes with no pressure in his face - both throws that an AVERAGE NFL QB would have made. Turned the ball over twice on ridiculous plays either in or approaching the red zone in the 4th quarter with the game totally still winnable. That Sheet ain't Hue's fault. That Kizer has been forced into action with no serviceable veteran around is completely on the front office. I have my issues with Hue (clock management and playcalling) but we're losing largely because DeShone cannot stop turning the ball over - particularly as points are about to materialize. it would appear that a) Hue wanted Wentz and the front office traded back for so far pretty much nothing, and
Hue wanted Watson, and the front office traded back for Jabrill Peppers who has no interceptions at safety despite starting nearly the entire year and no kick returns of any note whatsoever (Malik Hooker, who Jackson also liked at the 12 slot, had three picks early in the season before getting hurt). The front office is FAR more to blame for our current situation than is Hue Jackson. In the end, Hue may not be good enough and have to go, but first things first - get these idiots out of here they have no Shmucking idea what they are doing. It is 100% their fault we let a possible HOF NFL quarterback go. Can you imaging Wentz to Josh Gordon with the protection that the O-line was giving Kizer yesterday? We would have won the game - despite being on the road against a surging playoff contender with a lock HOF QB who happened to be on fire yesterday. That's Sashi's fault - not Hue's fault. I am not defending Hue but Jesus are Sashi and Podesta Shmucking clueless idiots. That's the bigger problem now. Deal with it first.
That Kizer has been forced into action with no serviceable veteran around is completely on the front office.
a) Hue wanted Wentz ..., and
Hue wanted Watson...
It is 100% their fault we let a possible HOF NFL quarterback go.
First, isnt it the head coaches job to decide who his starting QB is?
Second, how do you know either of these is true?
Last, HOF QB? McCown isn't that good...
So in your opinion, a teams performance has nothing to do with coaching? Basically, if the FO gives a guy talent he wins... that simple? Hmm... I guess we'll agree to disagree...
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So answer this question - if McCown were back this year at QB, how many wins would we have had this year (so far)? We could have beaten both SD and Jacksonville with McCown - and probably the Steelers week 1. That's three potential playoff teams as things stand right now. Not that McCown is the answer beyond this year possibly next - he is not - not that McCown would have taken us to the playoffs or a wining record - mostly like he would not have - but it's the front office that is responsible for the complete nightmare fiasco at QB, byt FAR the most important position on the field. The QB alone cost us the game yesterday. Missed Josh Gordon on one mostly like two long touchdown passes with no pressure in his face - both throws that an AVERAGE NFL QB would have made. Turned the ball over twice on ridiculous plays either in or approaching the red zone in the 4th quarter with the game totally still winnable. That Sheet ain't Hue's fault. That Kizer has been forced into action with no serviceable veteran around is completely on the front office. I have my issues with Hue (clock management and playcalling) but we're losing largely because DeShone cannot stop turning the ball over - particularly as points are about to materialize. it would appear that a) Hue wanted Wentz and the front office traded back for so far pretty much nothing, and
Hue wanted Watson, and the front office traded back for Jabrill Peppers who has no interceptions at safety despite starting nearly the entire year and no kick returns of any note whatsoever (Malik Hooker, who Jackson also liked at the 12 slot, had three picks early in the season before getting hurt). The front office is FAR more to blame for our current situation than is Hue Jackson. In the end, Hue may not be good enough and have to go, but first things first - get these idiots out of here they have no Shmucking idea what they are doing. It is 100% their fault we let a possible HOF NFL quarterback go. Can you imaging Wentz to Josh Gordon with the protection that the O-line was giving Kizer yesterday? We would have won the game - despite being on the road against a surging playoff contender with a lock HOF QB who happened to be on fire yesterday. That's Sashi's fault - not Hue's fault. I am not defending Hue but Jesus are Sashi and Podesta Shmucking clueless idiots. That's the bigger problem now. Deal with it first.
we let a possible HOF NFL quarterback go.
OMFG...
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So answer this question - if McCown were back this year at QB, how many wins would we have had this year (so far)? We could have beaten both SD and Jacksonville with McCown - and probably the Steelers week 1. That's three potential playoff teams as things stand right now. Not that McCown is the answer beyond this year possibly next - he is not - not that McCown would have taken us to the playoffs or a wining record - mostly like he would not have - but it's the front office that is responsible for the complete nightmare fiasco at QB, byt FAR the most important position on the field. The QB alone cost us the game yesterday. Missed Josh Gordon on one mostly like two long touchdown passes with no pressure in his face - both throws that an AVERAGE NFL QB would have made. Turned the ball over twice on ridiculous plays either in or approaching the red zone in the 4th quarter with the game totally still winnable. That Sheet ain't Hue's fault. That Kizer has been forced into action with no serviceable veteran around is completely on the front office. I have my issues with Hue (clock management and playcalling) but we're losing largely because DeShone cannot stop turning the ball over - particularly as points are about to materialize. it would appear that a) Hue wanted Wentz and the front office traded back for so far pretty much nothing, and
Hue wanted Watson, and the front office traded back for Jabrill Peppers who has no interceptions at safety despite starting nearly the entire year and no kick returns of any note whatsoever (Malik Hooker, who Jackson also liked at the 12 slot, had three picks early in the season before getting hurt). The front office is FAR more to blame for our current situation than is Hue Jackson. In the end, Hue may not be good enough and have to go, but first things first - get these idiots out of here they have no Shmucking idea what they are doing. It is 100% their fault we let a possible HOF NFL quarterback go. Can you imaging Wentz to Josh Gordon with the protection that the O-line was giving Kizer yesterday? We would have won the game - despite being on the road against a surging playoff contender with a lock HOF QB who happened to be on fire yesterday. That's Sashi's fault - not Hue's fault. I am not defending Hue but Jesus are Sashi and Podesta Shmucking clueless idiots. That's the bigger problem now. Deal with it first.
So answer this question - if McCown were back this year at QB, how many wins would we have had this year (so far)? We could have beaten both SD and Jacksonville with McCown - and probably the Steelers week 1. That's three potential playoff teams as things stand right now. Not that McCown is the answer beyond this year possibly next - he is not - not that McCown would have taken us to the playoffs or a wining record - mostly like he would not have - but it's the front office that is responsible for the complete nightmare fiasco at QB, byt FAR the most important position on the field. The QB alone cost us the game yesterday. Missed Josh Gordon on one mostly like two long touchdown passes with no pressure in his face - both throws that an AVERAGE NFL QB would have made. Turned the ball over twice on ridiculous plays either in or approaching the red zone in the 4th quarter with the game totally still winnable. That Sheet ain't Hue's fault. That Kizer has been forced into action with no serviceable veteran around is completely on the front office. I have my issues with Hue (clock management and playcalling) but we're losing largely because DeShone cannot stop turning the ball over - particularly as points are about to materialize. it would appear that a) Hue wanted Wentz and the front office traded back for so far pretty much nothing, and
Hue wanted Watson, and the front office traded back for Jabrill Peppers who has no interceptions at safety despite starting nearly the entire year and no kick returns of any note whatsoever (Malik Hooker, who Jackson also liked at the 12 slot, had three picks early in the season before getting hurt). The front office is FAR more to blame for our current situation than is Hue Jackson. In the end, Hue may not be good enough and have to go, but first things first - get these idiots out of here they have no Shmucking idea what they are doing. It is 100% their fault we let a possible HOF NFL quarterback go. Can you imaging Wentz to Josh Gordon with the protection that the O-line was giving Kizer yesterday? We would have won the game - despite being on the road against a surging playoff contender with a lock HOF QB who happened to be on fire yesterday. That's Sashi's fault - not Hue's fault. I am not defending Hue but Jesus are Sashi and Podesta Shmucking clueless idiots. That's the bigger problem now. Deal with it first.
Here is your answer.. if McCown was our QB, we would be 0 - 12, we would be more boring, and the seats would be more empty. We need a fukcikng quarterback and you are lamenting that jackoff? Hey, let's extrapolate on this, How many wins would we have if Mike Pagel was the QB? or Tim Couch.
Here, this is the bag of schidt...Kizer, McCown, Hogan, Manzshit, Kessler...............please, feel free to add more turd to our superbowl rebuild.
I wouldn't worry though. We are in the right track. We have to just stay the course. This is what a rebuild looks like. Relax, have a toke, go to Zumba.
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So answer this question - if McCown were back this year at QB, how many wins would we have had this year (so far)? We could have beaten both SD and Jacksonville with McCown - and probably the Steelers week 1. That's three potential playoff teams as things stand right now. Not that McCown is the answer beyond this year possibly next - he is not - not that McCown would have taken us to the playoffs or a wining record - mostly like he would not have - but it's the front office that is responsible for the complete nightmare fiasco at QB, byt FAR the most important position on the field. The QB alone cost us the game yesterday. Missed Josh Gordon on one mostly like two long touchdown passes with no pressure in his face - both throws that an AVERAGE NFL QB would have made. Turned the ball over twice on ridiculous plays either in or approaching the red zone in the 4th quarter with the game totally still winnable. That Sheet ain't Hue's fault. That Kizer has been forced into action with no serviceable veteran around is completely on the front office. I have my issues with Hue (clock management and playcalling) but we're losing largely because DeShone cannot stop turning the ball over - particularly as points are about to materialize. it would appear that a) Hue wanted Wentz and the front office traded back for so far pretty much nothing, and
Hue wanted Watson, and the front office traded back for Jabrill Peppers who has no interceptions at safety despite starting nearly the entire year and no kick returns of any note whatsoever (Malik Hooker, who Jackson also liked at the 12 slot, had three picks early in the season before getting hurt). The front office is FAR more to blame for our current situation than is Hue Jackson. In the end, Hue may not be good enough and have to go, but first things first - get these idiots out of here they have no Shmucking idea what they are doing. It is 100% their fault we let a possible HOF NFL quarterback go. Can you imaging Wentz to Josh Gordon with the protection that the O-line was giving Kizer yesterday? We would have won the game - despite being on the road against a surging playoff contender with a lock HOF QB who happened to be on fire yesterday. That's Sashi's fault - not Hue's fault. I am not defending Hue but Jesus are Sashi and Podesta Shmucking clueless idiots. That's the bigger problem now. Deal with it first.
It is 100% their fault we let a possible HOF NFL quarterback go.
Yeah, a little early to be anointing him as a HOF QB. A few years ago everyone was saying the same about Andrew Luck and I don't hear a lot of that chatter anymore these days.
One thing we don't hear is reports of the FO and coaches squabbling over power, which was a mainstay of the Browns' organization for a decade prior to this regime. Sure death to any organization, as we've witnessed.
Yet, it's painfully obvious this isn't working. The FO doesn't have a stellar record in drafting/signing talent, but the coaching staff isn't getting the best of the talent that is there. I really thought the D-line would be much better this year.
If that's on coaching, then where do they start? D-line coach? How about the conditioning guys? How many crucial injuries have they had to the better talent on the team? Is that a big part of the reason?
And for all those who say to 'fire them all' then you're saying you're willing to suffer through at least 2 more seasons like we've just been through. Are you saying you won't complain about the next two 0-16 seasons if they do fire everyone and start over?
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It's 1-31 or bust
We're staying the course with Hue, he's obviously the guy to take us to the superbowl someday.
It's 1-31 or bust
We're staying the course with Hue, he's obviously the guy to take us to the superbowl someday.
Yes, as an Uber Driver
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So answer this question - if McCown were back this year at QB, how many wins would we have had this year (so far)? We could have beaten both SD and Jacksonville with McCown - and probably the Steelers week 1. That's three potential playoff teams as things stand right now. Not that McCown is the answer beyond this year possibly next - he is not - not that McCown would have taken us to the playoffs or a wining record - mostly like he would not have - but it's the front office that is responsible for the complete nightmare fiasco at QB, byt FAR the most important position on the field. The QB alone cost us the game yesterday. Missed Josh Gordon on one mostly like two long touchdown passes with no pressure in his face - both throws that an AVERAGE NFL QB would have made. Turned the ball over twice on ridiculous plays either in or approaching the red zone in the 4th quarter with the game totally still winnable. That Sheet ain't Hue's fault. That Kizer has been forced into action with no serviceable veteran around is completely on the front office. I have my issues with Hue (clock management and playcalling) but we're losing largely because DeShone cannot stop turning the ball over - particularly as points are about to materialize. it would appear that a) Hue wanted Wentz and the front office traded back for so far pretty much nothing, and
Hue wanted Watson, and the front office traded back for Jabrill Peppers who has no interceptions at safety despite starting nearly the entire year and no kick returns of any note whatsoever (Malik Hooker, who Jackson also liked at the 12 slot, had three picks early in the season before getting hurt). The front office is FAR more to blame for our current situation than is Hue Jackson. In the end, Hue may not be good enough and have to go, but first things first - get these idiots out of here they have no Shmucking idea what they are doing. It is 100% their fault we let a possible HOF NFL quarterback go. Can you imaging Wentz to Josh Gordon with the protection that the O-line was giving Kizer yesterday? We would have won the game - despite being on the road against a surging playoff contender with a lock HOF QB who happened to be on fire yesterday. That's Sashi's fault - not Hue's fault. I am not defending Hue but Jesus are Sashi and Podesta Shmucking clueless idiots. That's the bigger problem now. Deal with it first.
Here is your answer.. if McCown was our QB, we would be 0 - 12, we would be more boring, and the seats would be more empty. We need a fukcikng quarterback and you are lamenting that jackoff? Hey, let's extrapolate on this, How many wins would we have if Mike Pagel was the QB? or Tim Couch.
Here, this is the bag of schidt...Kizer, McCown, Hogan, Manzshit, Kessler...............please, feel free to add more turd to our superbowl rebuild.
I wouldn't worry though. We are in the right track. We have to just stay the course. This is what a rebuild looks like. Relax, have a toke, go to Zumba.
Here is your answer.. if McCown was our QB, we would be 0 - 12, we would be more boring, and the seats would be more empty. We need a fukcikng quarterback and you are lamenting that jackoff? Hey, let's extrapolate on this, How many wins would we have if Mike Pagel was the QB? or Tim Couch.
Here, this is the bag of schidt...Kizer, McCown, Hogan, Manzshit, Kessler...............please, feel free to add more turd to our superbowl rebuild.
I wouldn't worry though. We are in the right track. We have to just stay the course. This is what a rebuild looks like. Relax, have a toke, go to Zumba.
yeah, so who u gonna call, ghostbusters?
bame a rookie u think is 'the answer' or bane a vet to ride for a year or two before the next wentz decides to declare.
exactly.
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Fire them all
Give a new FO a full stockade of picks to use. Fuk these analytic douches they haven't done dilly dilly.
Hue is clueless. We might as well start looking for a coach because he is garbage...
Kizer clearly doesn't have it..
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McCown currently has a 96.7 QBR with 18 tds and 8 Ints. 67.8 Completion %. Our line is better now then the previous 2 years he was with us. I think he could have had similar numbers with us. It is what it is unfortunately. Yeah the FO needs to go. Saw the stat during last weeks game saying Browns had one of the longest runs of a team going above 500 every year. Like 1956-1973 or something. Sad its been so bad now.
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I wanna throw the first stone!
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I agree. With McCown I think we would actually be around 50/50. We lost close games with bad QB play. Say what you want about McCown but he is not a bad QB. Kizer is not a bad quarterback either. He is the worst.
I agree. With McCown I think we would actually be around 50/50. We lost close games with bad QB play. Say what you want about McCown but he is not a bad QB. Kizer is not a bad quarterback either. He is the worst.
Not 50/50... look who coached him the 2 years w the Browns... with McCown we would still lose every game bc we have a joke for a HC...
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I just don’t see this OL as being good no matter what #s u can come up with.
Didn’t everyone tout the Cowboys OL last year as best ever behind the redskin hogs 30 years ago?
how’s that working out for them w/o their star RB?
zak looks like kizer now without his safety net.
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