Sashi fired
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Agree... but if Jimmah ordered Sashi to make the McCarron deal over the objections of the FO, then his better route would have been to resign.
I knew Hue and Sashi couldn't co-exist mid season the way Hue was acting. It just makes me think Hue is more and more of a snake. Going behind the FO's office and begging for players, Letting his coaches or assistants leak things to the press.... For what they were doing to work, the FO and coach had to see eye-to-eye. Hue didn't see eye-to-eye with Sashi and company and ended up winning the power struggle battle by getting on the good side of Jimmy. Hue's McCarron trade against the FO, and then meeting McCarron in the end zone with Jimmy troubled me. Having all of the players meet and talk to Hue and Jimmy troubled me too. Hue essentially plotted a Browns takeover.
I was hoping you and war were right and we started winning next year. I know I bitched about Sheet after seeing loss after loss after loss, but most of us were breaking and I didn't quite trust Jimmy. I don't think Sashi was as great as people gave him credit for, or nearly as bad as other people gave him credit for. In the end, he got screwed, but did a great job of saving cap space, getting picks, and setting us up to build. Hopefully this Dorsey guy can do something right. I think Depo will resign this upcoming year.
However, I think Hue will hinder our progress. The dude is way too egotistical, and with all of his clock management, playcalling, and other mistakes, I can't see us winning a superbowl with him. I'd be happy if we got a coach with some fire next year and got off the Hue train. The only downside is players hate switching systems every year, and Hue would bring continuity.
Jimmy seems #allinonhue, but we'll see what happens.
Hue Jackson more comfortable with a football guy on personnel side
I was hoping you and war were right and we started winning next year. I know I bitched about Sheet after seeing loss after loss after loss, but most of us were breaking and I didn't quite trust Jimmy.
I don't think Sashi was as great as people gave him credit for, or nearly as bad as other people gave him credit for. In the end, he got screwed, but did a great job of saving cap space, getting picks, and setting us up to build.
Hopefully this Dorsey guy can do something right. I think Depo will resign this upcoming year.
We still might be right....
Seriously, the way the hand has been dealt, it's going to be pretty hard to phuck it up at this point.... and I've yet to see anything that says Dorsey is a phuck up.
So Sashi was only a lil great.... got it... he just set us on a great path.
Hue's campaign to oust Sashi, and I do not think it can be characterized as anything else at this point, was a campaign to gain influence over player selection. Of course he wants argue with "a football guy"... anyone armed only with anecdotal observations will be frustrated by disagreement with conclusions distilled from volumes of data.
But a disagreement with another collection of anecdotal observations? Then there's a chance.
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That's my point... you can't sabotage an action to avoid it. That will get you canned. It's better to resign over the issue.
Better for who? Him maybe, not for us. If he had left instead of sabotaging the deal, then WE or, i.e. the Browns, would have been left making an absolute piss poor deal. Tis a far far better thing that he had done than he had ever done before.
Better for who? Him maybe, not for us. If he had left instead of sabotaging the deal, then WE or, i.e. the Browns, would have been left making an absolute piss poor deal. Tis a far far better thing that he had done than he had ever done before.
Better for him. Why should he give a phuck about you? or Gunga Din?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Haslam said absolutely Hue Jackson will be back in 2018 no matter what happens in final four games this season and Haslam added we plan on Hue being the coach for a long time (twitter.com)
Nate Ulrich@ByNateUlrichHaslam said absolutely Hue Jackson will be back in 2018 no matter what happens in final four games this season and Haslam added we plan on Hue being the coach for a long timeVia nate ulrich
Nate Ulrich@ByNateUlrichHaslam said absolutely Hue Jackson will be back in 2018 no matter what happens in final four games this season and Haslam added we plan on Hue being the coach for a long timeAlso, Jackson Depo and Dorsey all report to ownership seperately
Andrew Gribble@Andrew_GribbleCurrent plan is for Jackson, DePodesta and Dorsey to report to ownership. -
So even if he does the same next year? I doubt that.
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Better for who? Him maybe, not for us. If he had left instead of sabotaging the deal, then WE or, i.e. the Browns, would have been left making an absolute piss poor deal. Tis a far far better thing that he had done than he had ever done before.
Better for him. Why should he give a phuck about you? or Gunga Din?
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Hire a new FO guy and saddle him with Hue Jackson who is the polar opposite of his own philosophies on so many levels. Only Jimmy. The sleeping giant of Browns football unleashed alright.
Hire a new FO guy and saddle him with Hue Jackson who is the polar opposite of his own philosophies on so many levels. Only Jimmy. The sleeping giant of Browns football unleashed alright.
What evidence or insight do YOU have that Jackson has the polar opposite philosophy than John Dorsey.
Please. Enlighten us with all your inner knowledge of the details. (for I have heard the exact opposite...that Dorsey and Jackson are far more compatible than he ever was with Sashi.)
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Yeah. You, the last year and a half.
Man, just because you were wrong about the Browns sticking with their awesome Process for the long haul, you don't have to be such a meanie....
Man, just because you were wrong about the Browns sticking with their awesome Process for the long haul, you don't have to be such a meanie....
Where did I ever say we were going to stick with it? Tour has said that, not me. In fact my great fear was fan pressure would be so great Jimmy would pull the plug and I argued with everyone here say after day week after week in hopes they’d calm down and it wouldn’t happen.
So wrong again bucko.
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Man, just because you were wrong about the Browns sticking with their awesome Process for the long haul, you don't have to be such a meanie....
Where did I ever say we were going to stick with it? Tour has said that, not me. In fact my great fear was fan pressure would be so great Jimmy would pull the plug and I argued with everyone here say after day week after week in hopes they’d calm down and it wouldn’t happen.
So wrong again bucko.
Where did I ever say we were going to stick with it? Tour has said that, not me. In fact my great fear was fan pressure would be so great Jimmy would pull the plug and I argued with everyone here say after day week after week in hopes they’d calm down and it wouldn’t happen.
So wrong again bucko.
war's narrative changes more frequently than The Process stacks up losses.
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Man, just because you were wrong about the Browns sticking with their awesome Process for the long haul, you don't have to be such a meanie....
Where did I ever say we were going to stick with it? Tour has said that, not me. In fact my great fear was fan pressure would be so great Jimmy would pull the plug and I argued with everyone here say after day week after week in hopes they’d calm down and it wouldn’t happen.
So wrong again bucko.
Where did I ever say we were going to stick with it? Tour has said that, not me. In fact my great fear was fan pressure would be so great Jimmy would pull the plug and I argued with everyone here say after day week after week in hopes they’d calm down and it wouldn’t happen.
So wrong again bucko.
will you stop with all this 'fan pressure' nonsense. There is no evidence of any kind anywhere that's a factor in jimmy's decisions....
our fans are *great*. Most of them still support the team, despite unprecedented losing. the fans are the least of our problems.
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Where did I ever say we were going to stick with it? Tour has said that, not me. In fact my great fear was fan pressure would be so great Jimmy would pull the plug and I argued with everyone here say after day week after week in hopes they’d calm down and it wouldn’t happen.
So wrong again bucko.
will you stop with all this 'fan pressure' nonsense. There is no evidence of any kind anywhere that's a factor in jimmy's decisions....
our fans are *great*. Most of them still support the team, despite unprecedented losing. the fans are the least of our problems.
will you stop with all this 'fan pressure' nonsense. There is no evidence of any kind anywhere that's a factor in jimmy's decisions....
our fans are *great*. Most of them still support the team, despite unprecedented losing. the fans are the least of our problems.
Haven't you heard? The entire Browns organization is on TBB reading all of our posts and basing every decision they make on them.....
..... Hi Jimmy! Hi Dee! I hope you both have a Merry Christmas
xoxo
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will you stop with all this 'fan pressure' nonsense. There is no evidence of any kind anywhere that's a factor in jimmy's decisions....
our fans are *great*. Most of them still support the team, despite unprecedented losing. the fans are the least of our problems.
Haven't you heard? The entire Browns organization is on TBB reading all of our posts and basing every decision they make on them.....
..... Hi Jimmy! Hi Dee! I hope you both have a Merry Christmas
xoxo
Haven't you heard? The entire Browns organization is on TBB reading all of our posts and basing every decision they make on them.....
..... Hi Jimmy! Hi Dee! I hope you both have a Merry Christmas
xoxo
Justin Gilbert is still trying to reach the million Likes so he can become an average DB.
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Haven't you heard? The entire Browns organization is on TBB reading all of our posts and basing every decision they make on them.....
..... Hi Jimmy! Hi Dee! I hope you both have a Merry Christmas
xoxo
Justin Gilbert is still trying to reach the million Likes so he can become an average DB.
Justin Gilbert is still trying to reach the million Likes so he can become an average DB.
The little fella never did have a fair chance..... Won't somebody please think of the children!!!
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It'll be interesting to see lineup/roster changes the next four weeks ... should tell us who Sashi was personally invested in but Hue didn't want and vice versa.
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It'll be interesting to see lineup/roster changes the next four weeks ... should tell us who Sashi was personally invested in but Hue didn't want and vice versa.
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Zombo said:
It'll be interesting to see lineup/roster changes the next four weeks ... should tell us who Sashi was personally invested in but Hue didn't want and vice versa.
Z
Could you imagine that?
The Browns could be the first NFL team playing a game without a quaterback!
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It'll be interesting to see lineup/roster changes the next four weeks ... should tell us who Sashi was personally invested in but Hue didn't want and vice versa.
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Zombo said:
It'll be interesting to see lineup/roster changes the next four weeks ... should tell us who Sashi was personally invested in but Hue didn't want and vice versa.
Z
Already started. Britt...AUFED!!
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@boo-fagley said:
Dorsey said that he looks forward to working with Hue. Its a done deal. The Browns would not let him make that statement if they have plans to send Hue packing.
Why I dont like it is that everything is riding on 2018. Hue has to show marked improvement or its another season wasted and Daorsey will bring his own guy in which is what he should do now.
They say Hue is an old school style coach, and Dorsey is old school in that he spends tons of time in the film room studying players. It may work but Hue is no doubt on thin ice.
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Zombo said:
It'll be interesting to see lineup/roster changes the next four weeks ... should tell us who Sashi was personally invested in but Hue didn't want and vice versa.
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Already started. Britt...AUFED!!
Already started. Britt...AUFED!!
There ya go ... I knew Hue hated that fucker but Sashi wanted to stubbornly stand behind the money he spent on him.
Anlytics liked his career path ... but Kenny just wanted to get paid.
Z
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Already started. Britt...AUFED!!
There ya go ... I knew Hue hated that fucker but Sashi wanted to stubbornly stand behind the money he spent on him.
Anlytics liked his career path ... but Kenny just wanted to get paid.
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Zombo said:
There ya go ... I knew Hue hated that Shmucker but Sashi wanted to stubbornly stand behind the money he spent on him.
Anlytics liked his career path ... but Kenny just wanted to get paid.
Z
Dwayne Bowe 2.0
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Haslam said absolutely Hue Jackson will be back in 2018 no matter what happens in final four games this season and Haslam added we plan on Hue being the coach for a long time (twitter.com)
Nate Ulrich@ByNateUlrichHaslam said absolutely Hue Jackson will be back in 2018 no matter what happens in final four games this season and Haslam added we plan on Hue being the coach for a long timeVia nate ulrich
Nate Ulrich@ByNateUlrichHaslam said absolutely Hue Jackson will be back in 2018 no matter what happens in final four games this season and Haslam added we plan on Hue being the coach for a long timeAlso, Jackson Depo and Dorsey all report to ownership seperately
Andrew Gribble@Andrew_GribbleCurrent plan is for Jackson, DePodesta and Dorsey to report to ownership.Haslam said absolutely Hue Jackson will be back in 2018 no matter what happens in final four games this season and Haslam added we plan on Hue being the coach for a long time ter.com)
Via nate ulrichAlso, Jackson Depo and Dorsey all report to ownership separately
https://mobile.twitter.com/Andrew_Gribble/status/939171612393385984?ref_src=twsrc^twitterkit
Haslam's idea of a "long time" is around 8 games of next season... Don't like the separate reporting part...
What evidence or insight do YOU have that Jackson has the polar opposite philosophy than John Dorsey.
Please. Enlighten us with all your inner knowledge of the details. (for I have heard the exact opposite...that Dorsey and Jackson are far more compatible than he ever was with Sashi.)
Yup, Gip. Dorsey was obviously asked his opinion of Jackson. He wouldn't have taken the job (or requested Hue get fired as a condition) to join the Browns, if he thought they couldn't work together.
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