Dorsey Hired
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1) Lesson #1 in a definition of process improvement: One example is NOT a process. Nor are two - or three. You need 10 examples minimum to discern process from random variance. And that's just to determine current state before identifying specific problems and interventions.
2) Hue's favorite plays are slow-developing long things.. exactly what you'd want a big-body WR for.
3) I give Sashi the highest grade of any Browns GM since the rebirth in his addition of top-to-bottom athleticism and talent to the roster from the dumpster fire he was given.. while balancing that with maintaining draft picks for the future to build even higher from.
3) If consensus can't be reached, someone has to make a decision. But remember that we don't have definitive info on what, exactly, the "vote" was in any situation. I wouldn't read anything systemic unless it's called for. Even if somebody starts, they don't have to receive more than 10 snaps -- PT is a coaching decision. Why did Kasen Williams receive no PT.. he didn't suck.
1) I have 27 examples the process wasn't working. How many more do you need? Haslam rightly intervened.
2) Who (Britt) had one season that was 3 SD above the mean?
3) Right, if it was all about athleticism Jamarcus Russell and Jeff George would be in the HOF. Did you even notice Sashi created the dumpster fire in the first place? Got rid of almost all the vets and drafted a bucket of crap WRs? How many times has it been said here (and not just by me) you don't have to nuke the roster to rebuild. Um, Panthers?
Oh, I totally get it. 2018 was the year of the big splash where Sashi was finally going to get the Browns more than one win. Haslam didn't trust him to do so, and this time- I'm on Jimmy's side.
3B That my friend is what sent Sashi out of town. he made the final decision if consensus wasn't reached, and (in Haslam's eyes) too often it was the wrong decision. Lesson? don't send a lawyer bean counter to do a football guy's job. Haslam found out the 1-27 way.
- and this time- I'm on Jimmy's side.
- 3B That my friend is what sent Sashi out of town. he made the final decision if consensus wasn't reached,
- Just think about that a while... you and Jimmy... together.... lol
- And, once again, "my friend." you prove you do not understand the consensus process... not even close... not a clue...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
He didn't make the final decision. Tour's answered this question at least a half dozen times. Why did you ask it again? Do you just not like the answer?
Really? So they put two options on a slip of paper and picked what they were going to do out of a hat.
Really? So they put two options on a slip of paper and picked what they were going to do out of a hat.
Cute...
Guess I have a little private war going on with the consensus guys.
Yes... and you are losing... badly...
Great- then who in the f**king hell was making the decisions? I'm old and bordering on Alzheimer's. Enlighten me. Congrats, you've just painted yourself into a corner.
Been there... done that...
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Moving on...
What I really stopped in here to discuss were the shots of Dorsey in Jimmah's ear all game long. Especially in light of Mike Florio's comment in NBC's SNF pregame show
Florio pretty much said Jimmah's comments about Hue having another year weren't worth the paper they are not written upon... that Dorsey has plenty of time to "help Haslam understand" how important it is for Dorsey to have his guy in the HC position.
And the kicker per Florio is that it is widely believed that Dorsey already knows who his guy is... that he has one name in mind.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Moving on...
What I really stopped in here to discuss were the shots of Dorsey in Jimmah's ear all game long. Especially in light of Mike Florio's comment in NBC's SNF pregame show
Florio pretty much said Jimmah's comments about Hue having another year weren't worth the paper they are not written upon... that Dorsey has plenty of time to "help Haslam understand" how important it is for Dorsey to have his guy in the HC position.
And the kicker per Florio is that it is widely believed that Dorsey already knows who his guy is... that he has one name in mind.
Moving on...
What I really stopped in here to discuss were the shots of Dorsey in Jimmah's ear all game long. Especially in light of Mike Florio's comment in NBC's SNF pregame show
Florio pretty much said Jimmah's comments about Hue having another year weren't worth the paper they are not written upon... that Dorsey has plenty of time to "help Haslam understand" how important it is for Dorsey to have his guy in the HC position.
And the kicker per Florio is that it is widely believed that Dorsey already knows who his guy is... that he has one name in mind.
I will cry no tears if that happens. And I won't at all hold it against Jimmy if he doesn't keep his word about keeping Hue on.
But I am curious of course about who Dorsey would bring in, if he had that chance.
Any speculation on that name? Of course, the place to look is the "Tree". Since Dorsey is a part of the Bill Walsh tree....we can look there. Start with former HCs:
Mike Smith
Marty Morningwheg
Jon Gruden
Raheem Morris
Spagnuolo
Leslie Frazier
Jim Schwartz
Tom Cable
Scott Linehan
Mike Singletary
Mike Nolan
Rex Ryan
Brian Billick
Jim Zorn
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- and this time- I'm on Jimmy's side.
- 3B That my friend is what sent Sashi out of town. he made the final decision if consensus wasn't reached,
- Just think about that a while... you and Jimmy... together.... lol
- And, once again, "my friend." you prove you do not understand the consensus process... not even close... not a clue...
- And, once again, "my friend." you prove you do not understand the consensus process... not even close... not a clue...
But in his defense, and to be fair, no one really understands it........ well, except for you.
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John Dorsey to the pit of misery! Dilly dilly.
If only the team would throw Hue in the Lake now, and save him the trouble of waiting for 1-15. Face it guys, unless we somehow beat DA Bears, welcome to 0-16 loserville. Thanks Sashi.
If only the team would throw Hue in the Lake now, and save him the trouble of waiting for 1-15. Face it guys, unless we somehow beat DA Bears, welcome to 0-16 loserville. Thanks Sashi.
I'm not sure the Browns can beat the Bears...did you see the can of whoop azz they opened on the Bungles yesterday?
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Moving on...
What I really stopped in here to discuss were the shots of Dorsey in Jimmah's ear all game long. Especially in light of Mike Florio's comment in NBC's SNF pregame show
Florio pretty much said Jimmah's comments about Hue having another year weren't worth the paper they are not written upon... that Dorsey has plenty of time to "help Haslam understand" how important it is for Dorsey to have his guy in the HC position.
And the kicker per Florio is that it is widely believed that Dorsey already knows who his guy is... that he has one name in mind.
Moving on...
What I really stopped in here to discuss were the shots of Dorsey in Jimmah's ear all game long. Especially in light of Mike Florio's comment in NBC's SNF pregame show
Florio pretty much said Jimmah's comments about Hue having another year weren't worth the paper they are not written upon... that Dorsey has plenty of time to "help Haslam understand" how important it is for Dorsey to have his guy in the HC position.
And the kicker per Florio is that it is widely believed that Dorsey already knows who his guy is... that he has one name in mind.
Continuity for it's own sake isn't good if it's not working. 1-15 looking at 0-16. That's enough to get any HC fired.
Any thoughts about why Jimmah decided Sashi was the main reason the Browns are 1-28 going on 1-31?
PS- Kizer actually looked like an NFL QB yesterday, until he did a Weeden whoopsie in OT.
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Sashi's last 2 drafts: 24 picks, 20 will be multi-year NFL contributors.. Whether that's analytics or throwing darts at a board, it's better than most [all?] other GM's in the same time or same # of draft selections. And 1 extra 1 / 2 extra 2 in the 2018 draft. He'll get another GM job and if he's given the reins, he'll make a team that wins longer than the current Browns -- because..
Dorsey's hit rate on players and trade-down rate to acquire extra picks is nowhere near Sashi's.
But hey, a new GM changes everything.. especially Hue Jackson's clock management and playcalling!
You do realize Dorsey was fired for poor cap management at KC, right? Right?
*crickets*
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Sashi's last 2 drafts: 24 picks, 20 will be multi-year NFL contributors.. Whether that's analytics or throwing darts at a board, it's better than most [all?] other GM's in the same time or same # of draft selections. And 1 extra 1 / 2 extra 2 in the 2018 draft. He'll get another GM job and if he's given the reins, he'll make a team that wins longer than the current Browns -- because..
Dorsey's hit rate on players and trade-down rate to acquire extra picks is nowhere near Sashi's.
But hey, a new GM changes everything.. especially Hue Jackson's clock management and playcalling!
You do realize Dorsey was fired for poor cap management at KC, right? Right?
*crickets*
Sashi's last 2 drafts: 24 picks, 20 will be multi-year NFL contributors.. Whether that's analytics or throwing darts at a board, it's better than most [all?] other GM's in the same time or same # of draft selections. And 1 extra 1 / 2 extra 2 in the 2018 draft. He'll get another GM job and if he's given the reins, he'll make a team that wins longer than the current Browns -- because..
Dorsey's hit rate on players and trade-down rate to acquire extra picks is nowhere near Sashi's.
But hey, a new GM changes everything.. especially Hue Jackson's clock management and playcalling!
You do realize Dorsey was fired for poor cap management at KC, right? Right?
*crickets*
You’re just whining because your boy got fired. Sure they were multi-year contributors, because children of the corn style cuts occurred and there was no one left on the roster. Literally a kid off the street could of gotten signed off the practice squad. Those metrics obviously didn’t = results and that’s part of the large reason we’re 1-28. A combination of Hue, Sashi, and ultimately Jimmy’s inefficiency.
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Moving on...
What I really stopped in here to discuss were the shots of Dorsey in Jimmah's ear all game long. Especially in light of Mike Florio's comment in NBC's SNF pregame show
Florio pretty much said Jimmah's comments about Hue having another year weren't worth the paper they are not written upon... that Dorsey has plenty of time to "help Haslam understand" how important it is for Dorsey to have his guy in the HC position.
And the kicker per Florio is that it is widely believed that Dorsey already knows who his guy is... that he has one name in mind.
Moving on...
What I really stopped in here to discuss were the shots of Dorsey in Jimmah's ear all game long. Especially in light of Mike Florio's comment in NBC's SNF pregame show
Florio pretty much said Jimmah's comments about Hue having another year weren't worth the paper they are not written upon... that Dorsey has plenty of time to "help Haslam understand" how important it is for Dorsey to have his guy in the HC position.
And the kicker per Florio is that it is widely believed that Dorsey already knows who his guy is... that he has one name in mind.
I got that impression also. Haslam didn't look happy, and Dorsey was talking to him constantly. I doubt Hue will be around in January.
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Sashi's last 2 drafts: 24 picks, 20 will be multi-year NFL contributors.. Whether that's analytics or throwing darts at a board, it's better than most [all?] other GM's in the same time or same # of draft selections. And 1 extra 1 / 2 extra 2 in the 2018 draft. He'll get another GM job and if he's given the reins, he'll make a team that wins longer than the current Browns -- because..
Dorsey's hit rate on players and trade-down rate to acquire extra picks is nowhere near Sashi's.
But hey, a new GM changes everything.. especially Hue Jackson's clock management and playcalling!
You do realize Dorsey was fired for poor cap management at KC, right? Right?
*crickets*
Sashi's last 2 drafts: 24 picks, 20 will be multi-year NFL contributors.. Whether that's analytics or throwing darts at a board, it's better than most [all?] other GM's in the same time or same # of draft selections. And 1 extra 1 / 2 extra 2 in the 2018 draft. He'll get another GM job and if he's given the reins, he'll make a team that wins longer than the current Browns -- because..
Dorsey's hit rate on players and trade-down rate to acquire extra picks is nowhere near Sashi's.
But hey, a new GM changes everything.. especially Hue Jackson's clock management and playcalling!
You do realize Dorsey was fired for poor cap management at KC, right? Right?
*crickets*
Thing is Sashi traded down at a rate that was unprecedented in the NFL. He paid the price for valuing picks over a potential franchise qb staring him in the face. 20 will be multi year contributors? Sorry if I think your math is way off. I see 5 picks from 2016 alone that I'll bet won't even be on the roster next year. One is already gone, but so what there- probably only 10% of 7th round picks stick. Probably a couple more from 2017. Andddd... It's easy to have those draft picks on the roster, when you essentially nuke the roster of veterans.
BTW, I'll wait for the "consensus" and "we have a process in place" guys explain why if it was all going so great- Haslam decided Sashi was the primary reason for lack of progress. I'm not buying the he got impatient again schtick.
I'm willing to give Dorsey a chance (like any of us have a choice).
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But in his defense, and to be fair, no one really understands it........ well, except for you.
Not true, but thanks anyway for the recognition.
Thing is Sashi traded down at a rate that was unprecedented in the NFL. He paid the price for valuing picks over a potential franchise qb staring him in the face. 20 will be multi year contributors? Sorry if I think your math is way off. I see 5 picks from 2016 alone that I'll bet won't even be on the roster next year. One is already gone, but so what there- probably only 10% of 7th round picks stick. Probably a couple more from 2017. Andddd... It's easy to have those draft picks on the roster, when you essentially nuke the roster of veterans.
BTW, I'll wait for the "consensus" and "we have a process in place" guys explain why if it was all going so great- Haslam decided Sashi was the primary reason for lack of progress. I'm not buying the he got impatient again schtick.
Any thoughts about why Jimmah decided Sashi was the main reason the Browns are 1-28 going on 1-31?
PS- Kizer actually looked like an NFL QB yesterday, until he did a Weeden whoopsie in OT.
First... How dare you besmirch Wheezy's legacy! Kizer's pass was nowhere near Wheezy worthy. Wheezy did not need assists from Defenders to make a throw like that.
Second... of course Jimmah's impatience played a role. It is his shtick... but it was fed by others this time.
Hue got Jimmah's ear. We know that from the McCarron gambit, which you and other Sashi detractors laud him for scuttling. I think that was the opening that led to Sashi's downfall. That opened Jimmah to more "input" from Hue on where the responsibility for the record lay.
Add in the culmination of the "Football Guy Search" (which undoubtedly included dinners with Dorsey and likely included more "it did not have to be this bad" whimsy) and top that with Sashi's reluctance to accept Dorsey in a process-destroying role.
Third... remember "the approach" (not to be confused with the process), which included picking up draft picks via the loss of veterans thru FA, was agreed to by Jimmah.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Sashi's last 2 drafts: 24 picks, 20 will be multi-year NFL contributors.. Whether that's analytics or throwing darts at a board, it's better than most [all?] other GM's in the same time or same # of draft selections. And 1 extra 1 / 2 extra 2 in the 2018 draft. He'll get another GM job and if he's given the reins, he'll make a team that wins longer than the current Browns -- because..
Dorsey's hit rate on players and trade-down rate to acquire extra picks is nowhere near Sashi's.
But hey, a new GM changes everything.. especially Hue Jackson's clock management and playcalling!
You do realize Dorsey was fired for poor cap management at KC, right? Right?
*crickets*
You’re just whining because your boy got fired. Sure they were multi-year contributors, because children of the corn style cuts occurred and there was no one left on the roster. Literally a kid off the street could of gotten signed off the practice squad. Those metrics obviously didn’t = results and that’s part of the large reason we’re 1-28. A combination of Hue, Sashi, and ultimately Jimmy’s inefficiency.
because children of the corn style cuts occurred
Dude...... warn a guy before typing something like this
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Sashi's last 2 drafts: 24 picks, 20 will be multi-year NFL contributors.. Whether that's analytics or throwing darts at a board, it's better than most [all?] other GM's in the same time or same # of draft selections. And 1 extra 1 / 2 extra 2 in the 2018 draft. He'll get another GM job and if he's given the reins, he'll make a team that wins longer than the current Browns -- because..
Dorsey's hit rate on players and trade-down rate to acquire extra picks is nowhere near Sashi's.
But hey, a new GM changes everything.. especially Hue Jackson's clock management and playcalling!
You do realize Dorsey was fired for poor cap management at KC, right? Right?
*crickets*
Sashi's last 2 drafts: 24 picks, 20 will be multi-year NFL contributors.. Whether that's analytics or throwing darts at a board, it's better than most [all?] other GM's in the same time or same # of draft selections. And 1 extra 1 / 2 extra 2 in the 2018 draft. He'll get another GM job and if he's given the reins, he'll make a team that wins longer than the current Browns -- because..
Hey! You stole part of my sig!
Interesting thought on Sashi's future with another team. It is hard to believe that at least one team will not see what he accomplished in Berea. Whoever does hire him will set the bigger Berea exodus in motion.
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Moving on...
What I really stopped in here to discuss were the shots of Dorsey in Jimmah's ear all game long. Especially in light of Mike Florio's comment in NBC's SNF pregame show
Florio pretty much said Jimmah's comments about Hue having another year weren't worth the paper they are not written upon... that Dorsey has plenty of time to "help Haslam understand" how important it is for Dorsey to have his guy in the HC position.
And the kicker per Florio is that it is widely believed that Dorsey already knows who his guy is... that he has one name in mind.
I will cry no tears if that happens. And I won't at all hold it against Jimmy if he doesn't keep his word about keeping Hue on.
But I am curious of course about who Dorsey would bring in, if he had that chance.
Any speculation on that name? Of course, the place to look is the "Tree". Since Dorsey is a part of the Bill Walsh tree....we can look there. Start with former HCs:
Mike Smith
Marty Morningwheg
Jon Gruden
Raheem Morris
Spagnuolo
Leslie Frazier
Jim Schwartz
Tom Cable
Scott Linehan
Mike Singletary
Mike Nolan
Rex Ryan
Brian Billick
Jim Zorn
I will cry no tears if that happens. And I won't at all hold it against Jimmy if he doesn't keep his word about keeping Hue on.
But I am curious of course about who Dorsey would bring in, if he had that chance.
Any speculation on that name? Of course, the place to look is the "Tree". Since Dorsey is a part of the Bill Walsh tree....we can look there. Start with former HCs:
Mike Smith
Marty Morningwheg
Jon Gruden
Raheem Morris
Spagnuolo
Leslie Frazier
Jim Schwartz
Tom Cable
Scott Linehan
Mike Singletary
Mike Nolan
Rex Ryan
Brian Billick
Jim Zorn
Cross off any of the big names guys because Gruden, Cowher (yeah right), Harbaugh, etc, etc..are going to want complete control of the roster. They're going to want to be HC and GM in order to leave their cushy TV or college gigs.
I'd look at a guy like David Shaw at Stanford...see if he's willing to leave Palo Alto like Bill Walsh did way back when.
Of the names on your list? I hate every single one of them for one reason or another. I actually think Billick is an interesting name but he's said many times in interviews that he's done coaching, but if he'd be willing to come here as a FO consultant type, I wouldn't hate that decision.
Otherwise, find a young, hungry coordinator who wants to work his ass off to build a winner in Cleveland. That's the guy we need to find. Fuck if i know who he is...but that's what we need.
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But in his defense, and to be fair, no one really understands it........ well, except for you.
Not true, but thanks anyway for the recognition.
Thing is Sashi traded down at a rate that was unprecedented in the NFL. He paid the price for valuing picks over a potential franchise qb staring him in the face. 20 will be multi year contributors? Sorry if I think your math is way off. I see 5 picks from 2016 alone that I'll bet won't even be on the roster next year. One is already gone, but so what there- probably only 10% of 7th round picks stick. Probably a couple more from 2017. Andddd... It's easy to have those draft picks on the roster, when you essentially nuke the roster of veterans.
BTW, I'll wait for the "consensus" and "we have a process in place" guys explain why if it was all going so great- Haslam decided Sashi was the primary reason for lack of progress. I'm not buying the he got impatient again schtick.
Any thoughts about why Jimmah decided Sashi was the main reason the Browns are 1-28 going on 1-31?
PS- Kizer actually looked like an NFL QB yesterday, until he did a Weeden whoopsie in OT.
First... How dare you besmirch Wheezy's legacy! Kizer's pass was nowhere near Wheezy worthy. Wheezy did not need assists from Defenders to make a throw like that.
Second... of course Jimmah's impatience played a role. It is his shtick... but it was fed by others this time.
Hue got Jimmah's ear. We know that from the McCarron gambit, which you and other Sashi detractors laud him for scuttling. I think that was the opening that led to Sashi's downfall. That opened Jimmah to more "input" from Hue on where the responsibility for the record lay.
Add in the culmination of the "Football Guy Search" (which undoubtedly included dinners with Dorsey and likely included more "it did not have to be this bad" whimsy) and top that with Sashi's reluctance to accept Dorsey in a process-destroying role.
Third... remember "the approach" (not to be confused with the process), which included picking up draft picks via the loss of veterans thru FA, was agreed to by Jimmah.
Not true, but thanks anyway for the recognition.
First... How dare you besmirch Wheezy's legacy! Kizer's pass was nowhere near Wheezy worthy. Wheezy did not need assists from Defenders to make a throw like that.
Second... of course Jimmah's impatience played a role. It is his shtick... but it was fed by others this time.
Hue got Jimmah's ear. We know that from the McCarron gambit, which you and other Sashi detractors laud him for scuttling. I think that was the opening that led to Sashi's downfall. That opened Jimmah to more "input" from Hue on where the responsibility for the record lay.
Add in the culmination of the "Football Guy Search" (which undoubtedly included dinners with Dorsey and likely included more "it did not have to be this bad" whimsy) and top that with Sashi's reluctance to accept Dorsey in a process-destroying role.
Third... remember "the approach" (not to be confused with the process), which included picking up draft picks via the loss of veterans thru FA, was agreed to by Jimmah.
Hey I don't think I ever said Sashi did everything badly. But for good or ill, what's done is done. The SS Sashi Brown was torpedoed by the HMS Haslam. I doubt we'll ever know all the reasons, but I suspect it wasn't just the McCarron gambit. Regarding Hue, if he hypnotized Haslam, he'll be the next out the door when Dorsey breaks the spell he put on Jimmy. If you listened to Hue's post game presser right after Sashi was fired (I did) he was pretty clear it's a bottom line business, and his performance to date has been lacking.
Hey! You stole part of my sig!
Interesting thought on Sashi's future with another team. It is hard to believe that at least one team will not see what he accomplished in Berea. Whoever does hire him will set the bigger Berea exodus in motion.
If nothing else, Sashi will certainly land a job with another team as a bean counter\salary guy extraordinaire. Will that be anytime soon? Not so sure about that Tour. MHO? teams will be really leery of the 1-28 (and counting) Albatross he'll bring along with him. In today's NFL of quick turnarounds, what team is going to give him 3-4 years to do a total rebuild?
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I will cry no tears if that happens. And I won't at all hold it against Jimmy if he doesn't keep his word about keeping Hue on.
But I am curious of course about who Dorsey would bring in, if he had that chance.
Any speculation on that name? Of course, the place to look is the "Tree". Since Dorsey is a part of the Bill Walsh tree....we can look there. Start with former HCs:
Mike Smith
Marty Morningwheg
Jon Gruden
Raheem Morris
Spagnuolo
Leslie Frazier
Jim Schwartz
Tom Cable
Scott Linehan
Mike Singletary
Mike Nolan
Rex Ryan
Brian Billick
Jim Zorn
Cross off any of the big names guys because Gruden, Cowher (yeah right), Harbaugh, etc, etc..are going to want complete control of the roster. They're going to want to be HC and GM in order to leave their cushy TV or college gigs.
I'd look at a guy like David Shaw at Stanford...see if he's willing to leave Palo Alto like Bill Walsh did way back when.
Of the names on your list? I hate every single one of them for one reason or another. I actually think Billick is an interesting name but he's said many times in interviews that he's done coaching, but if he'd be willing to come here as a FO consultant type, I wouldn't hate that decision.
Otherwise, find a young, hungry coordinator who wants to work his ass off to build a winner in Cleveland. That's the guy we need to find. Fuck if i know who he is...but that's what we need.
Cross off any of the big names guys because Gruden, Cowher (yeah right), Harbaugh, etc, etc..are going to want complete control of the roster. They're going to want to be HC and GM in order to leave their cushy TV or college gigs.
I'd look at a guy like David Shaw at Stanford...see if he's willing to leave Palo Alto like Bill Walsh did way back when.
Of the names on your list? I hate every single one of them for one reason or another. I actually think Billick is an interesting name but he's said many times in interviews that he's done coaching, but if he'd be willing to come here as a FO consultant type, I wouldn't hate that decision.
Otherwise, find a young, hungry coordinator who wants to work his butt off to build a winner in Cleveland. That's the guy we need to find. Shmuck if i know who he is...but that's what we need.
Ghoolie will totally agree with you Mark. & exactly Dorsey was brought in to shape the roster, and he's not going to let his hand picked coach do it for him. I hope whoever it is will want to run a 4-3 base defense, or else it's another teardown\rebuild on that side of the ball.
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Cross off any of the big names guys because Gruden, Cowher (yeah right), Harbaugh, etc, etc..are going to want complete control of the roster. They're going to want to be HC and GM in order to leave their cushy TV or college gigs.
I'd look at a guy like David Shaw at Stanford...see if he's willing to leave Palo Alto like Bill Walsh did way back when.
Of the names on your list? I hate every single one of them for one reason or another. I actually think Billick is an interesting name but he's said many times in interviews that he's done coaching, but if he'd be willing to come here as a FO consultant type, I wouldn't hate that decision.
Otherwise, find a young, hungry coordinator who wants to work his butt off to build a winner in Cleveland. That's the guy we need to find. Shmuck if i know who he is...but that's what we need.
Ghoolie will totally agree with you Mark. & exactly Dorsey was brought in to shape the roster, and he's not going to let his hand picked coach do it for him. I hope whoever it is will want to run a 4-3 base defense, or else it's another teardown\rebuild on that side of the ball.
Ghoolie will totally agree with you Mark. & exactly Dorsey was brought in to shape the roster, and he's not going to let his hand picked coach do it for him. I hope whoever it is will want to run a 4-3 base defense, or else it's another teardown\rebuild on that side of the ball.
The only way one of those "big name coaches" comes here is if they really want to work hand in hand with Dorsey, then a guy like Gruden or whoever might not need total control but I still don't see it. A guy isn't going to leave his cushy 5 mill a year TV gig to work his ass off 20 hours per day without having total control of the roster.
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Ghoolie will totally agree with you Mark. & exactly Dorsey was brought in to shape the roster, and he's not going to let his hand picked coach do it for him. I hope whoever it is will want to run a 4-3 base defense, or else it's another teardown\rebuild on that side of the ball.
The only way one of those "big name coaches" comes here is if they really want to work hand in hand with Dorsey, then a guy like Gruden or whoever might not need total control but I still don't see it. A guy isn't going to leave his cushy 5 mill a year TV gig to work his ass off 20 hours per day without having total control of the roster.
The only way one of those "big name coaches" comes here is if they really want to work hand in hand with Dorsey, then a guy like Gruden or whoever might not need total control but I still don't see it. A guy isn't going to leave his cushy 5 mill a year TV gig to work his butt off 20 hours per day without having total control of the roster.
Not saying you are asking for it Mark, but I can't stress how Jon Gruden being the head coach of this Browns team would be a horrible idea.
He hates young players. His Raiders and Bucs team were some of the oldest teams in the league because of his preference of veteran players.
But I still don't think it's a slam dunk that Hue makes it past the Steelers game.
Gee maybe I'm under the mistaken impression (and a bunch of other guys) Sashi had final control of the roster?
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