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  • No one person or group lost this game. Rarely is that ever the case (unless you're John OKorn). 

    But you're attempt at a "gotcha" asking how many points they directly gave up is pointless.

    Punt coverage choked at the worst possible time. If they make the tackle there a solid chance we win. They had good coverage otherwise though.

    D started to crumble late, but it was after short fields and a fading offense.

    Offense was the best we've seen it all year with one critical rookie mistake at the end. 

    If you're giving one of the three the most blame, it would be D or ST. 

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
    #27

    @mld-woody said:

    If you're giving one of the three the most blame, it would be D or ST. 

    D all day...... If the ST's gave up actual points then yea, hang it on them, but the D still had chance after chance to make a play even after the ST's gave up field position. Our future HoF #1 pick had play after play, series after series to take over the game, but was invisible - again. 

    Kizer and the offense played well enough for the win, almost - but in the end, they needed just one more play..... Njoku has to catch that 3rd down play at the end of the game, and the Browns win. 

  • @mark-o said:

    Defense had a 14 point lead in the 4th quarter and couldn't hold the lead.   That's how the game was lost.   However we have Greg Williams kid here telling us the defense is elite and it was the special teams that lost that game and that is just simply stupid.   14 point lead with 1 quarter to play.  A good defense makes the stop to win that game.  This defense hasn't made an important stop all season long.   Not one.

    So our very young, injured defense didn't make the stop after the STs allowed the Packers to start with a short field?

    Fire them all!!!

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
    #28

    @mld-woody said:

    So our very young, injured defense didn't make the stop after the STs allowed the Packers to start with a short field?

    Fire them all!!!

    Nope...they didn't....  Nor did they stop after the fake punt...gave up a 50 yard drive then too.  They don't make big plays...haven't done it all season.   Fire them all is right...all the coaches.  Every single one of them. 

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #29

    You're mad our injured rookie didn't play like a HOFer in like his 8th game? 

    Yeeeesh

    This fanbase. 

  • @mld-woody said:

    So our very young, injured defense didn't make the stop after the STs allowed the Packers to start with a short field?

    Fire them all!!!

    Nope...they didn't....  Nor did they stop after the fake punt...gave up a 50 yard drive then too.  They don't make big plays...haven't done it all season.   Fire them all is right...all the coaches.  Every single one of them. 

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #30

    @mark-o said:

    Nope...they didn't....  Nor did they stop after the fake punt...gave up a 50 yard drive then too.  They don't make big plays...haven't done it all season.   Fire them all is right...all the coaches.  Every single one of them. 

    There ya go. That'll fix it champ. Just fire everyone. It'll work eventually. 

    Context is for pussies anyway. 

  • @mark-o said:

    Nope...they didn't....  Nor did they stop after the fake punt...gave up a 50 yard drive then too.  They don't make big plays...haven't done it all season.   Fire them all is right...all the coaches.  Every single one of them. 

    There ya go. That'll fix it champ. Just fire everyone. It'll work eventually. 

    Context is for pussies anyway. 

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
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    @mld-woody said:

    There ya go. That'll fix it champ. Just fire everyone. It'll work eventually. 

    Context is for pussies anyway. 

    Well...1-27 doesn't deserve to keep his job.   First team in NFL HISTORY to start 0-13 back to back seasons...but sure..lets keep the HC around.  He's doing such a great job so far.   Winning isn't that important.  

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #32

    Neither is context apparently.

    Fire them all. Start over. Keep doing it every year. Start a 3+ year plan and bail after less than 2. Just keep firing. It'll work eventually. For sure. 

  • You're mad our injured rookie didn't play like a HOFer in like his 8th game? 

    Yeeeesh

    This fanbase. 

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
    #33

    @mld-woody said:

    You're mad our injured rookie didn't play like a HOFer in like his 8th game? 

    Yeeeesh

    This fanbase. 

    Yeeeesh..... there's always an excuse.

    Well, since he's proven to be made out of blown glass so far, I guess he'll always have the "he's injured" excuse to save him. 

  • @mld-woody said:

    You're mad our injured rookie didn't play like a HOFer in like his 8th game? 

    Yeeeesh

    This fanbase. 

    Yeeeesh..... there's always an excuse.

    Well, since he's proven to be made out of blown glass so far, I guess he'll always have the "he's injured" excuse to save him. 

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
    #34

    @d-bone said:

    Yeeeesh..... there's always an excuse.

    Well, since he's proven to be made out of blown glass so far, I guess he'll always have the "he's injured" excuse to save him. 

    It's amazing how much people are willing defend players/coaches on a team thats won one game in 2 seasons.   I don't give a shit about any of these guys.  I want guys who will win games.  So far this shit show has managed 1 in 28 games, so I'm fine moving on from all of them.    Hopefully Dorsey will be able to decide who can play and who can't and we can start moving in the right direction.

  • Neither is context apparently.

    Fire them all. Start over. Keep doing it every year. Start a 3+ year plan and bail after less than 2. Just keep firing. It'll work eventually. For sure. 

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
    #35

    @mld-woody said:

    Fire them all. Start over. Keep doing it every year. Start a 3+ year plan and bail after less than 2. Just keep firing. It'll work eventually. For sure. 

    Keep them all. Stay with 1-28. Keep doing it for 5 more years. Start a 3 year plan and keep it for 2 years longer. Just keep them all. They win eventually. For sure. 

  • @d-bone said:

    Yeeeesh..... there's always an excuse.

    Well, since he's proven to be made out of blown glass so far, I guess he'll always have the "he's injured" excuse to save him. 

    It's amazing how much people are willing defend players/coaches on a team thats won one game in 2 seasons.   I don't give a shit about any of these guys.  I want guys who will win games.  So far this shit show has managed 1 in 28 games, so I'm fine moving on from all of them.    Hopefully Dorsey will be able to decide who can play and who can't and we can start moving in the right direction.

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
    #36

    @mark-o said:

    It's amazing how much people are willing defend players/coaches on a team thats won one game in 2 seasons.   

    It somehow shows they're "Super Fans".......... 

  • @mld-woody said:

    Fire them all. Start over. Keep doing it every year. Start a 3+ year plan and bail after less than 2. Just keep firing. It'll work eventually. For sure. 

    Keep them all. Stay with 1-28. Keep doing it for 5 more years. Start a 3 year plan and keep it for 2 years longer. Just keep them all. They win eventually. For sure. 

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
    #37

    @d-bone said:

    Keep them all. Stay with 1-28. Keep doing it for 5 more years. Start a 3 year plan and keep it for 2 years longer. Just keep them all. They win eventually. For sure. 

    You forgot....don't criticize them either because if you're too mean to the team on a message board, it can have an affect on how the team performs.     🙄

  • @mld-woody said:

    Fire them all. Start over. Keep doing it every year. Start a 3+ year plan and bail after less than 2. Just keep firing. It'll work eventually. For sure. 

    Keep them all. Stay with 1-28. Keep doing it for 5 more years. Start a 3 year plan and keep it for 2 years longer. Just keep them all. They win eventually. For sure. 

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #38

    @d-bone said:

    Keep them all. Stay with 1-28. Keep doing it for 5 more years. Start a 3 year plan and keep it for 2 years longer. Just keep them all. They win eventually. For sure. 

    Not asking for 5. Asking for 1 more

  • @d-bone said:

    Keep them all. Stay with 1-28. Keep doing it for 5 more years. Start a 3 year plan and keep it for 2 years longer. Just keep them all. They win eventually. For sure. 

    Not asking for 5. Asking for 1 more

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
    #39

    @mld-woody said:

    Not asking for 5. Asking for 1 more

    yeah because one more will help Hue's playcalling and clock management.

  • @d-bone said:

    Yeeeesh..... there's always an excuse.

    Well, since he's proven to be made out of blown glass so far, I guess he'll always have the "he's injured" excuse to save him. 

    It's amazing how much people are willing defend players/coaches on a team thats won one game in 2 seasons.   I don't give a shit about any of these guys.  I want guys who will win games.  So far this shit show has managed 1 in 28 games, so I'm fine moving on from all of them.    Hopefully Dorsey will be able to decide who can play and who can't and we can start moving in the right direction.

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #40

    @mark-o said:

    It's amazing how much people are willing defend players/coaches on a team thats won one game in 2 seasons.   I don't give a Sheet about any of these guys.  I want guys who will win games.  So far this Sheet show has managed 1 in 28 games, so I'm fine moving on from all of them.    Hopefully Dorsey will be able to decide who can play and who can't and we can start moving in the right direction.

    When anything that isn't "fire Everyone now!!!" us considered defending them....

  • @mld-woody said:

    Not asking for 5. Asking for 1 more

    yeah because one more will help Hue's playcalling and clock management.

    B BaconHound wrote on last edited by
    #41

    @mark-o said:

    yeah because one more will help Hue's playcalling and clock management.

    I agree this was a problem year 1 but seems to be better this year.

  • @mark-o said:

    It's amazing how much people are willing defend players/coaches on a team thats won one game in 2 seasons.   I don't give a Sheet about any of these guys.  I want guys who will win games.  So far this Sheet show has managed 1 in 28 games, so I'm fine moving on from all of them.    Hopefully Dorsey will be able to decide who can play and who can't and we can start moving in the right direction.

    When anything that isn't "fire Everyone now!!!" us considered defending them....

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
    #42

    @mld-woody said:

    When anything that isn't "fire Everyone now!!!" us considered defending them....

    When some constantly make excuses for them, then yes it is defending them. 

  • @d-bone said:

    Keep them all. Stay with 1-28. Keep doing it for 5 more years. Start a 3 year plan and keep it for 2 years longer. Just keep them all. They win eventually. For sure. 

    Not asking for 5. Asking for 1 more

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
    #43

    @mld-woody said:

    Not asking for 5. Asking for 1 more

    Not asking to fire them all. Asking for a competent head coach that isn't 1-28 and an FO that acquires talented football players...... Well  s h i t,  I guess I am saying fire them all.

    My bad. 

  • @mark-o said:

    yeah because one more will help Hue's playcalling and clock management.

    I agree this was a problem year 1 but seems to be better this year.

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
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    @baconhound said:

    I agree this was a problem year 1 but seems to be better this year.

    His clock management is just as bad if not worse.  He has a clear disdain for holding on to his timeouts.   He chews out Kizer for wasting a time out and then wastes one himself with a stupid, worthless challenge.

    He's a bad head coach.  He is what his record says he is.   A record breakingly bad head coach.

  • @baconhound said:

    I agree this was a problem year 1 but seems to be better this year.

    His clock management is just as bad if not worse.  He has a clear disdain for holding on to his timeouts.   He chews out Kizer for wasting a time out and then wastes one himself with a stupid, worthless challenge.

    He's a bad head coach.  He is what his record says he is.   A record breakingly bad head coach.

    B BaconHound wrote on last edited by
    #45

    @mark-o said:

    His clock management is just as bad if not worse.  He has a clear disdain for holding on to his timeouts.   He chews out Kizer for wasting a time out and then wastes one himself with a stupid, worthless challenge.

    He's a bad head coach.  He is what his record says he is.   A record breakingly bad head coach.

    He's used timeouts because the offense and defense is clueless.  Did we forget Kizer audibling in Detroit?  Kizer keeps getting sacked in pivotal spots and turning it over, Hue is calling timeouts to settle him and try to avoid those plays.  Kizer not getting the plays called has been an issue.

  • C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
    #46

    Same guys who want everyone fired now want to give cpt bed shtter more chances. This is why our fanbase is a league wide joke.