***Official Browns @ Bears Game Day Thread***
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Hogan outplayed him every single time they appeared in the same game after having the best QB rating throughout the preseason. You've seen that - you're just reluctant to admit it for some reason. Poe posted all the comparisons more than once. All you gotta do is look at all the different game logs. Hogan's only start was his worst outing. And I'm not convinced Hue didn't set him up to fail on purpose.
Try to remember Kizer led Notre Dame to a 4-8 record before they improved to 9-2 (with a blowout victory over the Pac 12 Champion) in 2017.
Hogan was solid against the Jets only and I watched the game and the offense wasn't lighting the world on fire. Kizer has been bad but again the Fooking Team Stinks. I really don't understand the bubble in Cleveland. In the offseason the Browns are just a player or 2 away. Then it's the coaches fault. Then the QB's fault. Here is a newsflash that may crush the pumpers, THE TEAM SUCKS. Top to bottom the Cleveland Browns are horrible. This isn't turning around with a coach, a QB, RB, WR, etc. It is going to take a bunch of good moves and maybe then they'll be relevant.
Hogan was solid against the Jets only and I watched the game and the offense wasn't lighting the world on fire. Kizer has been bad but again the Fooking Team Stinks. I really don't understand the bubble in Cleveland. In the offseason the Browns are just a player or 2 away. Then it's the coaches fault. Then the QB's fault. Here is a newsflash that may crush the pumpers, THE TEAM SUCKS. Top to bottom the Cleveland Browns are horrible. This isn't turning around with a coach, a QB, RB, WR, etc. It is going to take a bunch of good moves and maybe then they'll be relevant.
I agree with some of your points but if you go 0-16 after going 0-15 - what do you think the collective thought in every player and agent's head right now? WTF am I doing here and when is the first chance I have to escape? That's why I don't agree with the guys posting this franchise is moving in the right direction despite the record. The record is going to stir every semi-decent FA about to be available in 2018 into don't even consider Cleveland mode.
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Maybe not on the defensive side flugel. I can see some guys who might think theres some good pieces to play along side with. Im hoping dorsey can pull soneone from detroit ive got my eyes on
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Hogan was solid against the Jets only and I watched the game and the offense wasn't lighting the world on fire. Kizer has been bad but again the Fooking Team Stinks. I really don't understand the bubble in Cleveland. In the offseason the Browns are just a player or 2 away. Then it's the coaches fault. Then the QB's fault. Here is a newsflash that may crush the pumpers, THE TEAM SUCKS. Top to bottom the Cleveland Browns are horrible. This isn't turning around with a coach, a QB, RB, WR, etc. It is going to take a bunch of good moves and maybe then they'll be relevant.
I agree with some of your points but if you go 0-16 after going 0-15 - what do you think the collective thought in every player and agent's head right now? WTF am I doing here and when is the first chance I have to escape? That's why I don't agree with the guys posting this franchise is moving in the right direction despite the record. The record is going to stir every semi-decent FA about to be available in 2018 into don't even consider Cleveland mode.
I agree with some of your points but if you go 0-16 after going 0-15 - what do you think the collective thought in every player and agent's head right now? WTF am I doing here and when is the first chance I have to escape? That's why I don't agree with the guys posting this franchise is moving in the right direction despite the record. The record is going to stir every semi-decent FA about to be available in 2018 into don't even consider Cleveland mode.
This has been the case for years now. Who are the fantastic free agents of the last 5 years of 5-11, 4-12 & 3-13 teams? Unfortunately for the foreseeable future the only chance the Browns will have to improve is the draft. I'll give Sashi credit for recognizing that. Until they draft quality players and show promise they will stink.
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I agree with some of your points but if you go 0-16 after going 0-15 - what do you think the collective thought in every player and agent's head right now? WTF am I doing here and when is the first chance I have to escape? That's why I don't agree with the guys posting this franchise is moving in the right direction despite the record. The record is going to stir every semi-decent FA about to be available in 2018 into don't even consider Cleveland mode.
This has been the case for years now. Who are the fantastic free agents of the last 5 years of 5-11, 4-12 & 3-13 teams? Unfortunately for the foreseeable future the only chance the Browns will have to improve is the draft. I'll give Sashi credit for recognizing that. Until they draft quality players and show promise they will stink.
This has been the case for years now. Who are the fantastic free agents of the last 5 years of 5-11, 4-12 & 3-13 teams? Unfortunately for the foreseeable future the only chance the Browns will have to improve is the draft. I'll give Sashi credit for recognizing that. Until they draft quality players and show promise they will stink.
I know it. I appreciate you letting me vent. Merry Christmas my man!
When you get a chance - I want my annual Oklahoma report from you Bacon. In particular, I want your insight about whether or not Zeus Jr improved enough for an early round consideration. Greg Pruitt (my avatar) was an Oklahoma back so I've always enjoyed that tradition there. That Anderson kid impressed the Hell out of me this year.
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This has been the case for years now. Who are the fantastic free agents of the last 5 years of 5-11, 4-12 & 3-13 teams? Unfortunately for the foreseeable future the only chance the Browns will have to improve is the draft. I'll give Sashi credit for recognizing that. Until they draft quality players and show promise they will stink.
I know it. I appreciate you letting me vent. Merry Christmas my man!
When you get a chance - I want my annual Oklahoma report from you Bacon. In particular, I want your insight about whether or not Zeus Jr improved enough for an early round consideration. Greg Pruitt (my avatar) was an Oklahoma back so I've always enjoyed that tradition there. That Anderson kid impressed the Hell out of me this year.
I know it. I appreciate you letting me vent. Merry Christmas my man!
When you get a chance - I want my annual Oklahoma report from you Bacon. In particular, I want your insight about whether or not Zeus Jr improved enough for an early round consideration. Greg Pruitt (my avatar) was an Oklahoma back so I've always enjoyed that tradition there. That Anderson kid impressed the Hell out of me this year.
No worries, always fun chatting it up with you. We are all frustrated. Brown has been solid but I think he's risky in the first round since his pass protection isn't elite. The Sooner I'd like to see in a Browns jersey is Kenneth Murray but he's only a freshman.
Safe and Merry Christmas to you as well!
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