Some other rookie qb's stats with Kizer's

calfoxwc

Just saw this on "Tailgate 19 with Jim Donvan... and copied it down:

rookie years for some notable starting quarterbacks in the NFL:

RECORD COMP% TOT YDS TD/INT QB RATING

Peyton Manning(22 yrs) 3-13 56.7 3,739 yrds 26/28 71,2

KIZER 0-15 53.6 2894 11/22 60.5

Troy Aikman(23 yrs) 0-11 52.9 1749 9/18 55.7

Andrew Luck(23 yrs) 11.5 54.1 4374 23/18 76.5

Fran Tarkenton(21 yrs) 2-8 56.1 1997 18/17 74.7

John Elway(23 yrs) 4-6 47.5 1663 7/14 54.9

Puts KIzer in more of a different perspective.

Then I went and looked up Terry Bradshaw's rookie year, starting ....

Terry Bradshaw 5-9 38.1 1410 6/24 30.4

I know, surely that td/int ratio is a mistype, right? nope.

http://www.nfl.com/player/terrybradshaw/2510042/careerstats

I remember Bradshaw saying he nearly got booed out of PIttspuke stadium...

The jump to the NFL is tough - a giant step. A giant work ethic is required. Maybe there's hope for Kizer yet?

The Gipper

Yea, maybe, we shall see. It would still not prevent me from wanting someone else here.

Tour2ma

@calfoxwc said:

I know, surely that td/int ratio is a mistype, right? nope.

Even more cringe-worthy is Terry's INT%... 11.0... lol... nearly 1 out of every 9 passes he threw was picked.

cdl15

Alex Smith rookie season 1TD - 11INT with like 50%.

Matt Stafford was pretty bad too.

One of the most overlooked stats this year is 15 starts and honestly probably shoulda been all 16 with only minor time missed due too injury. For a position the browns have gone 4 deep in one season on occasion. There should be a emphasis on a guy that can actually physically hold up.

It's a weird situation. The only reason I see for completly giving up on him is the fact he's a 2nd rounder vs a 1st rounder. But the rub is no NFL organization may ever have as many primo picks with endless money like the browns do

Kiser may not have done enough to be the franchise guy right now but he is good enough to sit and be a teams backup.

Canton Mike

Oh, we'll see how Kizer progresses/regresses. The kid seems to have a great attitude & certainly all the physical attributes needed. My issues with him boil down to 3 things...accuracy, seeing the whole field, & TOUCH. I just don't know how much the accuracy & touch can improve through coaching, but I guess time will tell. At the very least, he needs time behind a veteran to learn & continue to develop.

Mike

Mark O

I was making this same argument through about the first half of the season but it became clear as the season went on that he wasn't learning and still making the same mistakes and bone head throws that he was making in week 2.

Mark O

@boo-fagley said:

So, you guys are comfortable with not using a 1st on QB.

I'm not.

Mark O

@boo-fagley said:

Kizer is nothing but another Tyrod Taylor. Did you watch him last Sunday?

Sure Kizer/Taylor will start and make some plays. Then they cant hit Rosie Odennel is the a$$ with a football.

i'm not even sure he's that good. I think Tyrod Taylor is a better QB than Kizer.

gumby73

@mark-o said:

I'm not.

Dumpster Challenge.. Place 2 dumpsters in each back corner of end zone. Go live action from 10 & 15 yard line. How many does Kizer put in out of 10 throws..over under is 6?

Richiswhere

@gumby73 said:

Dumpster Challenge.. Place 2 dumpsters in each back corner of end zone. Go live action from 10 & 15 yard line. How many does Kizer put in out of 10 throws..over under is 6?

Is the dumpster on fire?

calfoxwc

still draft a qb first round high. Just get your guy. If Kizer develops over time, you have a great backup either way.

A veteran would help immensely.

RoyceRolls

Dorsey has no connection to Kizer and will definitely bring in another starting QB.

mjp28

Kizer was too young with little NCAA experience to be a starting quarterback in the NFL especially on a crappy team with no real WR threats.

True he made some awful decisions but it wasn't all #19 with all of the drops and bad routes....but we all saw the games. IF another team picked him up with a good cast around him he would have had even better rookie numbers, hypothetically.

GO BROWNS 2018, get a veteran QB! While you're at it a few top WRs in the draft would be nice too.

Dutch Oven

I have no idea if Kizer will ever be a quality NFL QB.

I am confident that the Browns did him zero favors last season. Zero.

Canton Mike

@boo-fagley said:

So, you guys are comfortable with not using a 1st on QB.

No, I'm not. IMHO, we need to draft a QB #1. I would consider keeping Kizer as basically a 3rd QB to see whether or not he develops.

Mike

mjp28

@canton-mike said:

No, I'm not. IMHO, we need to draft a QB #1. I would consider keeping Kizer as basically a 3rd QB to see whether or not he develops.

Mike

In year two Kizer would be an adequate 2nd QB if they can land a current FA or other trade/deal. To draft yet another rookie QB savior #1 may or may not work. I'd rater work on building the team with best available blue chip players with their plethora of picks, a good second round QB might work as a project QB.

All of this and more to be kicked around between now and April 26.

gumby73

veteran qb's can be weird. Hoyer has not helped many. McCown would help anybody..I'd doubt Alex Smith was tutoring Mcholmes much.nor Glennon helping Mitch much at start.you'd think a vet qb could help you see coverage's,see reads & progressions quicker. But after that.. touch & game speed accuracy..your pretty much on your own..Kizer was not ready out of school as his HC stated.we heard,Browns should give Kizer time to grow as a 2nd rounder. Kizer has been tutor-less & WR talent-less..than toss on mis-managed by a coach & his mindless play calling...well if ya compare that QB list up top.. I'd say they had far better coaching? Better team Weapons? Most had to of have better mentor QB rooms to a rookie QB not named Brock,Cody nor Hogan?

Nero

I strongly believe that we lost some games because of Kizer, but we lost others because of other factors, like D, Hue, FGs, fumbles, special teams... We just found ways to lose every game.

As @dutch-oven has said, the Browns did zero favors to Kizer:

- Awful receivers, drops.

- Couldn't practise with Coleman and Gordon for most of the season (this helps to develop timing with receivers and to be in the same page)

- Little offensive scheme adaptation to his skills (thanks Hue). He was required to make more post-snap reads than many other QBs, and that's hard for a rookie: you should make it easier for him, not harder.

- Late playcalling. Goff improved a lot, in part thanks to McVay giving him the call right away, so he had 15-20 seconds under center and his coach could help him reading the defense (headphone shuts down at 10). Kizer had 10 many times.

- NO RUSHING ATTACK. Hue left all the offense on Kizer's shoulders, when we should have focused on running more.

Now, what I see on Kizer:

PROS:

- Age, he was 21. It has been said a hundred times that he was raw even for his college coach.

- Resilience. He took big hits, never got injured. A concussion for a free sack (at Lions) is something no QB can avoid. He's tough. He only had a migraine in one game, still played half of it.

- Maturity. He looks like a serious guy and tries his best.

- He can use his legs, learned during season to push for a few more yards.

- Strong arm.

CONS:

- Reading the field

- Lack of touch (he can't do a fade pass in the endzone)

- Accuracy . His redzone stats are awful, on intermediate passes he throws too low many times.

- Regressing at some points. I.E. he held the ball too long in first games, then improved on that, and on season's finale did it again. You think he has learnt something but he later does the same mistake he did 3 games ago. At least that's what I felt.

- Few snaps under center.

To sum up, it was the worst position to play in NFL last year. I don't know how a rookie Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, or Brees would have looked there. For example, it's logical to panick in a 0-13 team and make a stupid throw across your body or stuff like that. I don't think you can ask a rookie to win games for you with the little help he was given.

Good thing is that we can add two QBs on March and April and see on training camp what has he improved. He has way more games on his back than any other 2017 rookie QB, so he has way more experience and can learn from the many mistakes he made, to fix them during offseason. I wish he hires a coach, goes through all his tape, and works his butt off to fix mechanics, reading, accuracy, et al. I really root for this guy, and it only helps the team having some competition in the QB position.

nickers

Kizer just doesnt have the "IT" factor... You can just see it in every good QB there is.. Kizer panicks like a kunt.. He's just not a leader of men.. or women for that matter...

Hunter33109

I disagree with comparing Kizer with QB’s from the past; it’s highly unlikely to forecast future results. There are too many variables that prohibit that, like holding the ball too long and not looking off safeties, both of which Kizer showed no improvement on as the season progressed. During the season many sport writers were call for Kizer’s head until the last game but once the season was over they came out and changed their tune by saying you “have to look at things in perspective”. Perspective bought the Browns a 0-16 season and the everlasting hope that next year will be better. I have to tell you next year never comes. The definition of insanitary is doing things the same way and expecting a different RESULT.