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  • @westside-steve said:

    Consensus https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2018/1/30/16942234/2018-nfl-mock-draft-mathbomb-consensus-mock-2-0

    lol... Mathbomb.... love the name.

    Going thru the entire round the data scatter becomes very apparent, e.g., Denzel Ward falling to 23? Minkah not in Round One?

    L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by

    @tour2ma said:

    lol... Mathbomb.... love the name.

    Going thru the entire round the data scatter becomes very apparent, e.g., Denzel Ward falling to 23? Minkah not in Round One?

    From what I could gather there are concerns about Ward's size, not many CB's in the league at his weight?

  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by

    Of course the problem with that draft is it is out of date with the FA trades and acquisitions. Jets are now in #3 for the QB so the whole draft is screwed up for this one. The big question mark that may not be answered until draft night is what will the NYG do with #2. Nelson, QB, Chubb?? Trade out to the Broncos? Who knows. But whatever they do @ #2 changes everything.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by

    DawgPundDaily staff did their predictions for Round 1:

    https://dawgpounddaily.com/2018/03/24/cleveland-browns-staff-predictions-first-fourth-picks/

    Here's a summary:

    • Martin McConnell: Darnold/ Ward
    • Randy Gurzi: Mayfield/ Barkley
    • Shane Carter: Darnold/ Ward
    • Mike Lukas: Mayfield/ Fitzpatrick
    • Joel Cade: Rosen/ (trade w/Bills) - #12 James/ #22 Rashaan Evans
    • Chris Markoch: Darnold/ Barkley (but multiple other "options" for both picks?)
    • Ben Thomas: Darnold/ Barkley
    • Bucky Daws: Darnold/ Barkley
    • Matt McFatridge: Chubb/ Barkley
    • Matt Stevenson: Rosen/ Chubb
  • @tour2ma said:

    lol... Mathbomb.... love the name.

    Going thru the entire round the data scatter becomes very apparent, e.g., Denzel Ward falling to 23? Minkah not in Round One?

    From what I could gather there are concerns about Ward's size, not many CB's in the league at his weight?

    J JimboJones wrote on last edited by JimboJones

    @londonbrown said:

    From what I could gather there are concerns about Ward's size, not many CB's in the league at his weight?

    Same thing was said about his former teammate Marshon Lattimore last draft.  He's basically a Lattimore clone.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Lost all credibility.

    Did they have any???

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by

    @mudfly said:

    Did they have any???

    So what you been up to lately Mud? You've been missed...   

  • Buffalo trades #12, #22 and #53 picks to Cleveland for #4

    ROUND 1

    #1 Cleveland — Sam Darnold (QB, USC)
    #2 NY Giants — Saquon Barkley (RB, Penn State)
    #3 NY Jets (via Ind) — Josh Allen (QB, Wyoming)
    #4 Buffalo (via Cle, Hou) — Josh Rosen (QB, UCLA)
    #5 Denver — Quenton Nelson (G, Notre Dame)
    #6 Indianapolis (via NYJ) — Bradley Chubb (EDGE, NC State)
    #7 Tampa Bay — Vita Vea (DT, Washington)
    #8 Chicago — Denzel Ward (CB, Ohio State)
    #9 Miami (via SF) — Baker Mayfield (QB, Oklahoma)
    #10 Oakland — Tremaine Edmunds (LB, Virginia Tech)
    #11 San Fran (via Mia) — Minkah Fitzpatrick (S, Alabama)
    #12 Cleveland (via Buf, Cin) — Mike McGlinchey (T, Notre Dame)
    #13 Washington — Leighton Vander Esch (LB, Boise State)
    #14 Green Bay — Marcus Davenport (DE, UTSA)
    #15 Arizona — Lamar Jackson (QB, Louisville)
    #16 Baltimore — Derwin James (S, Florida State)
    #17 LA Chargers — Roquan Smith (LB, Georgia)
    #18 New England (via Sea) — Kolton Miller (T, UCLA)
    #19 Dallas — Rashaan Evans (LB, Alabama)
    #20 Detroit — Da’Ron Payne (DT, Alabama)
    #21 Cincinnati (via Buf) — James Daniels (C, Iowa)
    #22 Cleveland (via Buf, KC) — Maurice Hurst (DT, Michigan)
    #23 LA Rams — Harold Landry (DE, Boston College)
    #24 Carolina — Rasheem Green (DE, USC)
    #25 Tennessee — Taven Bryan (DE, Florida)
    #26 Atlanta — Calvin Ridley (WR, Alabama)
    #27 New Orleans — Justin Reid (S, Stanford)
    #28 Pittsburgh — Jessie Bates III (S, Wake Forest)
    #29 Jacksonville — Tim Settle (DT, Virginia Tech)
    #30 Minnesota — Isaiah Wynn (G, Georgia)
    #31 Seattle (via NE) — Ronald Jones II (RB, USC)
    #32 Indianapolis (via Phi) — Austin Corbett (G, Nevada)

    ROUND 2

    #33 Cleveland — Jaire Alexander (CB, Louisville)
    #34 NY Giants — Will Hernandez (G, UTEP)
    #35 Cleveland — Sony Michel (RB, Georgia)
    #36 Philadelphia (via Ind) — Malik Jefferson (LB, Texas)
    #37 Indianapolis — Kerryon Johnson (RB, Auburn)
    #38 Tampa Bay — Derrius Guice (RB, LSU)
    #39 Chicago — Connor Williams (T, Texas)
    #40 Denver — Nick Chubb (RB, Georgia)
    #41 Oakland — Ronnie Harrison (S, Alabama)
    #42 Miami — Billy Price (C, Ohio State)
    #43 New England (via SF) — Mike Hughes (CB, UCF)
    #44 Washington — Royce Freeman (RB, Oregon)
    #45 Green Bay — Courtland Sutton (WR, SMU)
    #46 Cincinnati — Hayden Hurst (TE, South Carolina)
    #47 Arizona — Tyrell Crosby (T, Oregon)
    #48 LA Chargers — Brian O’Neill (T, Pittsburgh)
    #49 Indianapolis — D.J. Moore (WR, Maryland)
    #50 Dallas — Carlton Davis (CB, Auburn)
    #51 Detroit — Frank Ragnow (C, Arkansas)
    #52 Baltimore — B.J. Hill (DT, NC State)
    #53 Cleveland (via Buf) — Sam Hubbard (DE, Ohio State)
    #54 Kansas City — Joshua Jackson (CB, Iowa)
    #55 Carolina — Mike Gesicki (TE, Penn State)
    #56 Buffalo (via LAR) — Harrison Phillips (DT, Stanford)
    #57 Tennessee — Lorenzo Carter (EDGE, Georgia)
    #58 Atlanta — Andrew Brown (DT, Virginia)
    #59 San Francisco (via NOR) — Braden Smith (G, Auburn)
    #60 Pittsburgh — James Washington (WR, Oklahoma State)
    #61 Jacksonville — D.J. Chark (WR, LSU)
    #62 Minnesota — Geron Christian (T, Louisville)
    #63 Seattle (via NE) — Josh Sweat (DE, Florida State)
    #64 Cleveland (via Phi) — Donte Jackson (CB, LSU)

    The Trades

    Buffalo trades #12, #22 and #53 picks to Cleveland for #4
    The Bills are in a situation now where their trade partners are quite limited. If they want to move up for a quarterback — and they clearly do — they’ll have to pay a steep price.

    Miami trades #11 and #73 to San Francisco for #9
    Seeing an opportunity to jump up two spots and secure a long term solution at quarterback, the Dolphins pull the trigger with Arizona, Baltimore and Los Angeles lurking.

    New England trades #31 and #63 to Seattle for #18
    The Patriots use their extra second round pick to jump into the top-20 to secure a replacement for Nate Solder. The Seahawks get an extra pick in the top-60.

    Indianapolis trades #36 and #140 to Philadelphia for #32
    The Colts make a small jump back into round one to secure the underrated Austin Corbett.

    http://seahawksdraftblog.com/updated-mock-draft-two-rounds

    J JimboJones wrote on last edited by JimboJones

    @jimbojones said:

    Buffalo trades #12, #22 and #53 picks to Cleveland for #4

    ROUND 1

    #1 Cleveland — Sam Darnold (QB, USC)
    #2 NY Giants — Saquon Barkley (RB, Penn State)
    #3 NY Jets (via Ind) — Josh Allen (QB, Wyoming)
    #4 Buffalo (via Cle, Hou) — Josh Rosen (QB, UCLA)
    #5 Denver — Quenton Nelson (G, Notre Dame)
    #6 Indianapolis (via NYJ) — Bradley Chubb (EDGE, NC State)
    #7 Tampa Bay — Vita Vea (DT, Washington)
    #8 Chicago — Denzel Ward (CB, Ohio State)
    #9 Miami (via SF) — Baker Mayfield (QB, Oklahoma)
    #10 Oakland — Tremaine Edmunds (LB, Virginia Tech)
    #11 San Fran (via Mia) — Minkah Fitzpatrick (S, Alabama)
    #12 Cleveland (via Buf, Cin) — Mike McGlinchey (T, Notre Dame)
    #13 Washington — Leighton Vander Esch (LB, Boise State)
    #14 Green Bay — Marcus Davenport (DE, UTSA)
    #15 Arizona — Lamar Jackson (QB, Louisville)
    #16 Baltimore — Derwin James (S, Florida State)
    #17 LA Chargers — Roquan Smith (LB, Georgia)
    #18 New England (via Sea) — Kolton Miller (T, UCLA)
    #19 Dallas — Rashaan Evans (LB, Alabama)
    #20 Detroit — Da’Ron Payne (DT, Alabama)
    #21 Cincinnati (via Buf) — James Daniels (C, Iowa)
    #22 Cleveland (via Buf, KC) — Maurice Hurst (DT, Michigan)
    #23 LA Rams — Harold Landry (DE, Boston College)
    #24 Carolina — Rasheem Green (DE, USC)
    #25 Tennessee — Taven Bryan (DE, Florida)
    #26 Atlanta — Calvin Ridley (WR, Alabama)
    #27 New Orleans — Justin Reid (S, Stanford)
    #28 Pittsburgh — Jessie Bates III (S, Wake Forest)
    #29 Jacksonville — Tim Settle (DT, Virginia Tech)
    #30 Minnesota — Isaiah Wynn (G, Georgia)
    #31 Seattle (via NE) — Ronald Jones II (RB, USC)
    #32 Indianapolis (via Phi) — Austin Corbett (G, Nevada)

    ROUND 2

    #33 Cleveland — Jaire Alexander (CB, Louisville)
    #34 NY Giants — Will Hernandez (G, UTEP)
    #35 Cleveland — Sony Michel (RB, Georgia)
    #36 Philadelphia (via Ind) — Malik Jefferson (LB, Texas)
    #37 Indianapolis — Kerryon Johnson (RB, Auburn)
    #38 Tampa Bay — Derrius Guice (RB, LSU)
    #39 Chicago — Connor Williams (T, Texas)
    #40 Denver — Nick Chubb (RB, Georgia)
    #41 Oakland — Ronnie Harrison (S, Alabama)
    #42 Miami — Billy Price (C, Ohio State)
    #43 New England (via SF) — Mike Hughes (CB, UCF)
    #44 Washington — Royce Freeman (RB, Oregon)
    #45 Green Bay — Courtland Sutton (WR, SMU)
    #46 Cincinnati — Hayden Hurst (TE, South Carolina)
    #47 Arizona — Tyrell Crosby (T, Oregon)
    #48 LA Chargers — Brian O’Neill (T, Pittsburgh)
    #49 Indianapolis — D.J. Moore (WR, Maryland)
    #50 Dallas — Carlton Davis (CB, Auburn)
    #51 Detroit — Frank Ragnow (C, Arkansas)
    #52 Baltimore — B.J. Hill (DT, NC State)
    #53 Cleveland (via Buf) — Sam Hubbard (DE, Ohio State)
    #54 Kansas City — Joshua Jackson (CB, Iowa)
    #55 Carolina — Mike Gesicki (TE, Penn State)
    #56 Buffalo (via LAR) — Harrison Phillips (DT, Stanford)
    #57 Tennessee — Lorenzo Carter (EDGE, Georgia)
    #58 Atlanta — Andrew Brown (DT, Virginia)
    #59 San Francisco (via NOR) — Braden Smith (G, Auburn)
    #60 Pittsburgh — James Washington (WR, Oklahoma State)
    #61 Jacksonville — D.J. Chark (WR, LSU)
    #62 Minnesota — Geron Christian (T, Louisville)
    #63 Seattle (via NE) — Josh Sweat (DE, Florida State)
    #64 Cleveland (via Phi) — Donte Jackson (CB, LSU)

    I'd love this scenario.  We basically trade Bradley Chubb for McGlinchey, Hurst and Hubbard, though not sure I'd go with those exact guys with some of the other names on the board.

  • @jimbojones said:

    Buffalo trades #12, #22 and #53 picks to Cleveland for #4

    ROUND 1

    #1 Cleveland — Sam Darnold (QB, USC)
    #2 NY Giants — Saquon Barkley (RB, Penn State)
    #3 NY Jets (via Ind) — Josh Allen (QB, Wyoming)
    #4 Buffalo (via Cle, Hou) — Josh Rosen (QB, UCLA)
    #5 Denver — Quenton Nelson (G, Notre Dame)
    #6 Indianapolis (via NYJ) — Bradley Chubb (EDGE, NC State)
    #7 Tampa Bay — Vita Vea (DT, Washington)
    #8 Chicago — Denzel Ward (CB, Ohio State)
    #9 Miami (via SF) — Baker Mayfield (QB, Oklahoma)
    #10 Oakland — Tremaine Edmunds (LB, Virginia Tech)
    #11 San Fran (via Mia) — Minkah Fitzpatrick (S, Alabama)
    #12 Cleveland (via Buf, Cin) — Mike McGlinchey (T, Notre Dame)
    #13 Washington — Leighton Vander Esch (LB, Boise State)
    #14 Green Bay — Marcus Davenport (DE, UTSA)
    #15 Arizona — Lamar Jackson (QB, Louisville)
    #16 Baltimore — Derwin James (S, Florida State)
    #17 LA Chargers — Roquan Smith (LB, Georgia)
    #18 New England (via Sea) — Kolton Miller (T, UCLA)
    #19 Dallas — Rashaan Evans (LB, Alabama)
    #20 Detroit — Da’Ron Payne (DT, Alabama)
    #21 Cincinnati (via Buf) — James Daniels (C, Iowa)
    #22 Cleveland (via Buf, KC) — Maurice Hurst (DT, Michigan)
    #23 LA Rams — Harold Landry (DE, Boston College)
    #24 Carolina — Rasheem Green (DE, USC)
    #25 Tennessee — Taven Bryan (DE, Florida)
    #26 Atlanta — Calvin Ridley (WR, Alabama)
    #27 New Orleans — Justin Reid (S, Stanford)
    #28 Pittsburgh — Jessie Bates III (S, Wake Forest)
    #29 Jacksonville — Tim Settle (DT, Virginia Tech)
    #30 Minnesota — Isaiah Wynn (G, Georgia)
    #31 Seattle (via NE) — Ronald Jones II (RB, USC)
    #32 Indianapolis (via Phi) — Austin Corbett (G, Nevada)

    ROUND 2

    #33 Cleveland — Jaire Alexander (CB, Louisville)
    #34 NY Giants — Will Hernandez (G, UTEP)
    #35 Cleveland — Sony Michel (RB, Georgia)
    #36 Philadelphia (via Ind) — Malik Jefferson (LB, Texas)
    #37 Indianapolis — Kerryon Johnson (RB, Auburn)
    #38 Tampa Bay — Derrius Guice (RB, LSU)
    #39 Chicago — Connor Williams (T, Texas)
    #40 Denver — Nick Chubb (RB, Georgia)
    #41 Oakland — Ronnie Harrison (S, Alabama)
    #42 Miami — Billy Price (C, Ohio State)
    #43 New England (via SF) — Mike Hughes (CB, UCF)
    #44 Washington — Royce Freeman (RB, Oregon)
    #45 Green Bay — Courtland Sutton (WR, SMU)
    #46 Cincinnati — Hayden Hurst (TE, South Carolina)
    #47 Arizona — Tyrell Crosby (T, Oregon)
    #48 LA Chargers — Brian O’Neill (T, Pittsburgh)
    #49 Indianapolis — D.J. Moore (WR, Maryland)
    #50 Dallas — Carlton Davis (CB, Auburn)
    #51 Detroit — Frank Ragnow (C, Arkansas)
    #52 Baltimore — B.J. Hill (DT, NC State)
    #53 Cleveland (via Buf) — Sam Hubbard (DE, Ohio State)
    #54 Kansas City — Joshua Jackson (CB, Iowa)
    #55 Carolina — Mike Gesicki (TE, Penn State)
    #56 Buffalo (via LAR) — Harrison Phillips (DT, Stanford)
    #57 Tennessee — Lorenzo Carter (EDGE, Georgia)
    #58 Atlanta — Andrew Brown (DT, Virginia)
    #59 San Francisco (via NOR) — Braden Smith (G, Auburn)
    #60 Pittsburgh — James Washington (WR, Oklahoma State)
    #61 Jacksonville — D.J. Chark (WR, LSU)
    #62 Minnesota — Geron Christian (T, Louisville)
    #63 Seattle (via NE) — Josh Sweat (DE, Florida State)
    #64 Cleveland (via Phi) — Donte Jackson (CB, LSU)

    I'd love this scenario.  We basically trade Bradley Chubb for McGlinchey, Hurst and Hubbard, though not sure I'd go with those exact guys with some of the other names on the board.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by

    @jimbojones said:

    I'd love this scenario.  We basically trade Bradley Chubb for McGlinchey, Hurst and Hubbard, though not sure I'd go with those exact guys with some of the other names on the board.

    Especially McGlinchey... still too high for him. And the fumble frequency info has put me off the Michel wagon. Agree on Ward... 5'11 may not measure up, but a 39" vert makes up for it.

    Had the BUF trade-down scenario pop up in a sim this AM. It was far from my highest score, but overall it is my favorite draft..

    Your score is: 21127 (GRADE: A-)
    Round 1 Pick 1:  Rosen, Josh, QB, UCLA (A)
    Round 1 Pick 12 (BUF):  James, Derwin, SS/FS, Florida State (A)
    Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF):  Vander Esch, Leighton, OLB/ILB, Boise State (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 1:  Chark, DJ, WR, LSU (B)
    Round 2 Pick 3:  Rankin, Martinas, OT, Mississippi State (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (BUF):  Ragnow, Frank, C/OG, Arkansas (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 32:  Brown, Tony, CB, Alabama (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 14:  Lewis, Tyquan, DE, Ohio State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 22:  Ford, Poona, DT, Texas (A)
    Round 6 Pick 1:  Jackson, Justin, RB, Northwestern (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 1:  Scott, JK, P, Alabama (A+)

  • @jimbojones said:

    I'd love this scenario.  We basically trade Bradley Chubb for McGlinchey, Hurst and Hubbard, though not sure I'd go with those exact guys with some of the other names on the board.

    Especially McGlinchey... still too high for him. And the fumble frequency info has put me off the Michel wagon. Agree on Ward... 5'11 may not measure up, but a 39" vert makes up for it.

    Had the BUF trade-down scenario pop up in a sim this AM. It was far from my highest score, but overall it is my favorite draft..

    Your score is: 21127 (GRADE: A-)
    Round 1 Pick 1:  Rosen, Josh, QB, UCLA (A)
    Round 1 Pick 12 (BUF):  James, Derwin, SS/FS, Florida State (A)
    Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF):  Vander Esch, Leighton, OLB/ILB, Boise State (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 1:  Chark, DJ, WR, LSU (B)
    Round 2 Pick 3:  Rankin, Martinas, OT, Mississippi State (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (BUF):  Ragnow, Frank, C/OG, Arkansas (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 32:  Brown, Tony, CB, Alabama (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 14:  Lewis, Tyquan, DE, Ohio State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 22:  Ford, Poona, DT, Texas (A)
    Round 6 Pick 1:  Jackson, Justin, RB, Northwestern (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 1:  Scott, JK, P, Alabama (A+)

    J JimboJones wrote on last edited by JimboJones

    @tour2ma said:

    Especially McGlinchey... still too high for him. And the fumble frequency info has put me off the Michel wagon. Agree on Ward... 5'11 may not measure up, but a 39" vert makes up for it.

    Had the BUF trade-down scenario pop up in a sim this AM. It was far from my highest score, but overall it is my favorite draft..

    Your score is: 21127 (GRADE: A-)
    Round 1 Pick 1:  Rosen, Josh, QB, UCLA (A)
    Round 1 Pick 12 (BUF):  James, Derwin, SS/FS, Florida State (A)
    Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF):  Vander Esch, Leighton, OLB/ILB, Boise State (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 1:  Chark, DJ, WR, LSU (B)
    Round 2 Pick 3:  Rankin, Martinas, OT, Mississippi State (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (BUF):  Ragnow, Frank, C/OG, Arkansas (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 32:  Brown, Tony, CB, Alabama (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 14:  Lewis, Tyquan, DE, Ohio State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 22:  Ford, Poona, DT, Texas (A)
    Round 6 Pick 1:  Jackson, Justin, RB, Northwestern (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 1:  Scott, JK, P, Alabama (A+)

    Not only the fumble rate with Michel, but his age too.  He's over two years older than Guice and Jones.

    Here's the carry to fumble ratio for some of the top RB's: https://www.footballcouchscout.com/copy-of-qb

    Ronald Jones, EXCEPTIONAL ball security, 207:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Saquon Barkley, VERY GOOD ball security, 193:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Kerryon Johnson, VERY GOOD ball security, 191:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Josh Adams, VERY GOOD ball security, 174:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    John Kelly, ABOVE AVERAGE ball security, 123:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Royce Freeman, ABOVE AVERAGE ball security, 114:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Rashaad Penny, ABOVE AVERAGE ball security, 106:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Darius Guice, AVERAGE ball security, 100:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Nick Chubb, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 98:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Bo Scarbrough, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 96:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Mark Walton, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 90:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Nyheim Hines, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 87:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Akrum Wadley, VERY POOR ball security, 67:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Kalen Ballage, VERY POOR ball security, 66:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Sony Michel, VERY BAD ball security, 54:1 carry/fumble ratio.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Especially McGlinchey... still too high for him. And the fumble frequency info has put me off the Michel wagon. Agree on Ward... 5'11 may not measure up, but a 39" vert makes up for it.

    Had the BUF trade-down scenario pop up in a sim this AM. It was far from my highest score, but overall it is my favorite draft..

    Your score is: 21127 (GRADE: A-)
    Round 1 Pick 1:  Rosen, Josh, QB, UCLA (A)
    Round 1 Pick 12 (BUF):  James, Derwin, SS/FS, Florida State (A)
    Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF):  Vander Esch, Leighton, OLB/ILB, Boise State (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 1:  Chark, DJ, WR, LSU (B)
    Round 2 Pick 3:  Rankin, Martinas, OT, Mississippi State (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (BUF):  Ragnow, Frank, C/OG, Arkansas (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 32:  Brown, Tony, CB, Alabama (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 14:  Lewis, Tyquan, DE, Ohio State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 22:  Ford, Poona, DT, Texas (A)
    Round 6 Pick 1:  Jackson, Justin, RB, Northwestern (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 1:  Scott, JK, P, Alabama (A+)

    Not only the fumble rate with Michel, but his age too.  He's over two years older than Guice and Jones.

    Here's the carry to fumble ratio for some of the top RB's: https://www.footballcouchscout.com/copy-of-qb

    Ronald Jones, EXCEPTIONAL ball security, 207:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Saquon Barkley, VERY GOOD ball security, 193:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Kerryon Johnson, VERY GOOD ball security, 191:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Josh Adams, VERY GOOD ball security, 174:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    John Kelly, ABOVE AVERAGE ball security, 123:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Royce Freeman, ABOVE AVERAGE ball security, 114:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Rashaad Penny, ABOVE AVERAGE ball security, 106:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Darius Guice, AVERAGE ball security, 100:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Nick Chubb, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 98:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Bo Scarbrough, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 96:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Mark Walton, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 90:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Nyheim Hines, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 87:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Akrum Wadley, VERY POOR ball security, 67:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Kalen Ballage, VERY POOR ball security, 66:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Sony Michel, VERY BAD ball security, 54:1 carry/fumble ratio.

    PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on last edited by

    @jimbojones said:

    Not only the fumble rate with Michael, but his age too.  He's over two years older older than Guice and Jones.

    Here's the carry to fumble ratio for some of the top RB's: https://www.footballcouchscout.com/copy-of-qb

    Ronald Jones, EXCEPTIONAL ball security, 207:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Saquon Barkley, VERY GOOD ball security, 193:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Kerryon Johnson, VERY GOOD ball security, 191:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Josh Adams, VERY GOOD ball security, 174:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    John Kelly, ABOVE AVERAGE ball security, 123:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Royce Freeman, ABOVE AVERAGE ball security, 114:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Rashaad Penny, ABOVE AVERAGE ball security, 106:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Darius Guice, AVERAGE ball security, 100:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Bo Scarbrough, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 96:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Mark Walton, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 90:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Nyheim Hines, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 87:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Akrum Wadley, VERY POOR ball security, 67:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Kalen Ballage, VERY POOR ball security, 66:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Nick Chubb, VERY BAD ball security, 54:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Sony Michel, VERY BAD ball security, 54:1 carry/fumble ratio.

    I don't really know that Ronald Jones 207:1 ratio is that much more exceptional than Barkley's at 193:1...

    They are both exceptional, I would add Johnson's number as well. There isn't that much separation between them. 

  • @jimbojones said:

    I'd love this scenario.  We basically trade Bradley Chubb for McGlinchey, Hurst and Hubbard, though not sure I'd go with those exact guys with some of the other names on the board.

    Especially McGlinchey... still too high for him. And the fumble frequency info has put me off the Michel wagon. Agree on Ward... 5'11 may not measure up, but a 39" vert makes up for it.

    Had the BUF trade-down scenario pop up in a sim this AM. It was far from my highest score, but overall it is my favorite draft..

    Your score is: 21127 (GRADE: A-)
    Round 1 Pick 1:  Rosen, Josh, QB, UCLA (A)
    Round 1 Pick 12 (BUF):  James, Derwin, SS/FS, Florida State (A)
    Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF):  Vander Esch, Leighton, OLB/ILB, Boise State (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 1:  Chark, DJ, WR, LSU (B)
    Round 2 Pick 3:  Rankin, Martinas, OT, Mississippi State (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (BUF):  Ragnow, Frank, C/OG, Arkansas (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 32:  Brown, Tony, CB, Alabama (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 14:  Lewis, Tyquan, DE, Ohio State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 22:  Ford, Poona, DT, Texas (A)
    Round 6 Pick 1:  Jackson, Justin, RB, Northwestern (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 1:  Scott, JK, P, Alabama (A+)

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73

    @tour2ma said:

    Had the BUF trade-down scenario pop up in a sim this AM. It was far from my highest score, but overall it is my favorite draft..

    Your score is: 21127 (GRADE: A-)
    Round 1 Pick 1:  Rosen, Josh, QB, UCLA (A)
    Round 1 Pick 12 (BUF):  James, Derwin, SS/FS, Florida State (A)
    Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF):  Vander Esch, Leighton, OLB/ILB, Boise State (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 1:  Chark, DJ, WR, LSU (B)
    Round 2 Pick 3:  Rankin, Martinas, OT, Mississippi State (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (BUF):  Ragnow, Frank, C/OG, Arkansas (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 32:  Brown, Tony, CB, Alabama (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 14:  Lewis, Tyquan, DE, Ohio State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 22:  Ford, Poona, DT, Texas (A)
    Round 6 Pick 1:  Jackson, Justin, RB, Northwestern (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 1:  Scott, JK, P, Alabama (A+)

    good looking draft haul. Not familar with Ragnow at G nor C but we did just resign Reiter at C(spotrac).Tony Brown is a good value pick as a late 2nd rounder.TB looked great in combine drills.Draft Tracker compares him to Johnson Bademosi. not with them on that, but a 6 footer at 198 that runs a 4.35 40's..I'd say G.Williams has a nickel package for T. Brown   

  • @tour2ma said:

    Had the BUF trade-down scenario pop up in a sim this AM. It was far from my highest score, but overall it is my favorite draft..

    Your score is: 21127 (GRADE: A-)
    Round 1 Pick 1:  Rosen, Josh, QB, UCLA (A)
    Round 1 Pick 12 (BUF):  James, Derwin, SS/FS, Florida State (A)
    Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF):  Vander Esch, Leighton, OLB/ILB, Boise State (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 1:  Chark, DJ, WR, LSU (B)
    Round 2 Pick 3:  Rankin, Martinas, OT, Mississippi State (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (BUF):  Ragnow, Frank, C/OG, Arkansas (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 32:  Brown, Tony, CB, Alabama (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 14:  Lewis, Tyquan, DE, Ohio State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 22:  Ford, Poona, DT, Texas (A)
    Round 6 Pick 1:  Jackson, Justin, RB, Northwestern (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 1:  Scott, JK, P, Alabama (A+)

    good looking draft haul. Not familar with Ragnow at G nor C but we did just resign Reiter at C(spotrac).Tony Brown is a good value pick as a late 2nd rounder.TB looked great in combine drills.Draft Tracker compares him to Johnson Bademosi. not with them on that, but a 6 footer at 198 that runs a 4.35 40's..I'd say G.Williams has a nickel package for T. Brown   

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by

    @gumby73 said:

    good looking draft. Not familar with Ragnow at G nor C but we did just resign Reiter at C(spotrac).Tony Brown is a good value pick as a late 2nd rounder  

    I could not resist Ragnow there... while thought of primarily as an inside guy, at 6'5 he actually can play OT as well. Plus I think he'd push Reiter very hard for the starting job. Pared with Rankin who can play OT or OG, the OL flexibility depth would be off the charts.

    Both of the BAMA corners, Averett as well as Brown, get a lot less respect than they deserve, IMO. While not elite, both measured well at the Combine, can cover and, since they played for Saban, you know they can tackle.

  • @jimbojones said:

    Not only the fumble rate with Michael, but his age too.  He's over two years older older than Guice and Jones.

    Here's the carry to fumble ratio for some of the top RB's: https://www.footballcouchscout.com/copy-of-qb

    Ronald Jones, EXCEPTIONAL ball security, 207:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Saquon Barkley, VERY GOOD ball security, 193:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Kerryon Johnson, VERY GOOD ball security, 191:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Josh Adams, VERY GOOD ball security, 174:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    John Kelly, ABOVE AVERAGE ball security, 123:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Royce Freeman, ABOVE AVERAGE ball security, 114:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Rashaad Penny, ABOVE AVERAGE ball security, 106:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Darius Guice, AVERAGE ball security, 100:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Bo Scarbrough, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 96:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Mark Walton, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 90:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Nyheim Hines, BELOW AVERAGE ball security, 87:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Akrum Wadley, VERY POOR ball security, 67:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Kalen Ballage, VERY POOR ball security, 66:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Nick Chubb, VERY BAD ball security, 54:1 carry/fumble ratio.
    Sony Michel, VERY BAD ball security, 54:1 carry/fumble ratio.

    I don't really know that Ronald Jones 207:1 ratio is that much more exceptional than Barkley's at 193:1...

    They are both exceptional, I would add Johnson's number as well. There isn't that much separation between them. 

    J JimboJones wrote on last edited by JimboJones

    @poeticg said:

    I don't really know that Ronald Jones 207:1 ratio is that much more exceptional than Barkley's at 193:1...

    They are both exceptional, I would add Johnson's number as well. There isn't that much separation between them. 

    If you can think of a medium phrase to put between "exceptional" and "very good", I'll edit the post.

    Barkley just isn't on Jones' level.😎

  • J JimboJones wrote on last edited by JimboJones

    My first time doing one of these. 

    Was going to take a LT and C in the 2nd but chose to load up on Defense instead.😊

    Your score is: 23264 (GRADE: A+) 

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 1:  Darnold, Sam, QB, Southern California (A)
    Round 1 Pick 12 (BUF):  Vea, Vita, DT, Washington (A)
    Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF):  Ward, Denzel, CB, Ohio State (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 1:  Evans, Rashaan, OLB/ILB, Alabama (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 3:  Green, Rasheem, DE, Southern California (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (BUF):  Reid, Justin, FS, Stanford (A)
    Round 2 Pick 32:  Jones II, Ronald, RB, Southern California (A)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Brown, Orlando, OT, Oklahoma (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 22:  Hill, Holton, CB, Texas (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 1:  Richardson, Will, OT, North Carolina State (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 5 (MIA):  Coutee, Keke, WR, Texas Tech (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 13 (WASH):  ValdesScantling, Marquez, WR, South Florida (A+)

  • My first time doing one of these. 

    Was going to take a LT and C in the 2nd but chose to load up on Defense instead.😊

    Your score is: 23264 (GRADE: A+) 

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 1:  Darnold, Sam, QB, Southern California (A)
    Round 1 Pick 12 (BUF):  Vea, Vita, DT, Washington (A)
    Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF):  Ward, Denzel, CB, Ohio State (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 1:  Evans, Rashaan, OLB/ILB, Alabama (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 3:  Green, Rasheem, DE, Southern California (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (BUF):  Reid, Justin, FS, Stanford (A)
    Round 2 Pick 32:  Jones II, Ronald, RB, Southern California (A)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Brown, Orlando, OT, Oklahoma (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 22:  Hill, Holton, CB, Texas (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 1:  Richardson, Will, OT, North Carolina State (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 5 (MIA):  Coutee, Keke, WR, Texas Tech (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 13 (WASH):  ValdesScantling, Marquez, WR, South Florida (A+)

    L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by

    @jimbojones said:

    My first time doing one of these. 

    Was going to take a LT and C in the 2nd but chose to load up on Defense instead.😊

    This doesn't seem very realistic though.

    Your score is: 23264 (GRADE: A+) 

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 1:  Darnold, Sam, QB, Southern California (A)
    Round 1 Pick 12 (BUF):  Vea, Vita, DT, Washington (A)
    Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF):  Ward, Denzel, CB, Ohio State (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 1:  Evans, Rashaan, OLB/ILB, Alabama (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 3:  Green, Rasheem, DE, Southern California (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (BUF):  Reid, Justin, FS, Stanford (A)
    Round 2 Pick 32:  Jones II, Ronald, RB, Southern California (A)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Brown, Orlando, OT, Oklahoma (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 22:  Hill, Holton, CB, Texas (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 1:  Richardson, Will, OT, North Carolina State (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 5 (MIA):  Coutee, Keke, WR, Texas Tech (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 13 (WASH):  ValdesScantling, Marquez, WR, South Florida (A+)

    If we draft Vita Vea high after trading Danny Shelton for a bag of footballs I want Dorsey fired immediately, don't even let him finish the draft

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by

    Were the footballs fully inflated?

  • J JimboJones wrote on last edited by JimboJones

    Vita Vea is better in every aspect of football than Danny Shelton, so I wouldn't be confused if they picked him.

    Had a tough choice of Vita Vea or Derwin James at that pick, though.

    Funny thing is I didn't even realize Denzel Ward was still available until pick #22.  Must've been half asleep.

  • darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by

    Your score is: 24527 (GRADE: A+) 

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 1:  Darnold, Sam, QB, Southern California (A)
    Round 1 Pick 4:  Chubb, Bradley, DE, North Carolina State (A)
    Round 2 Pick 11 (N.E.):  Guice, Derrius, RB, LSU (A)
    Round 2 Pick 22 (K.C.):  Reid, Justin, FS, Stanford (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 31 (N.E.):  Jackson, Donte, CB, LSU (A)
    Round 3 Pick 9 (MIA):  Washington, James, WR, Oklahoma State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 14 (K.C.):  Sutton, Courtland, WR, Southern Methodist (A)
    Round 3 Pick 22 (K.C.):  Settle, Tim, DT, Virginia Tech (A)
    Round 4 Pick 14:  Edmunds, Terrell, SS, Virginia Tech (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 23 (MIA):  Cole, Mason, C/OT, Michigan (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 30 (MIA):  Leonard, Darius, OLB/ILB, South Carolina State (A)
    Round 5 Pick 22:  Hearn, Taylor, OG, Clemson (A)
    Round 6 Pick 1:  Nelson, Nick, CB, Wisconsin (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 1:  Young, Kenny, ILB, UCLA (A+)

    Your Future Picks: 
    2019 Round 1 Pick
    2020 Round 1 Pick

  • PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on last edited by

    Round 1 Pick 1:  Barkley, Saquon, RB, Penn State (A)
    Round 1 Pick 4:  Mayfield, Baker, QB, Oklahoma (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 1:  Price, Billy, C/OG, Ohio State (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 3:  Oliver, Isaiah, CB, Colorado (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 32:  Allen, Marcus, FS, Penn State (A)
    Round 4 Pick 14:  Brown, Orlando, OT, Oklahoma (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 22:  Hill, Holton, CB, Texas (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 1:  Flowers, Dimitri, FB, Oklahoma (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 1:  Wims, Javon, WR, Georgia (A+)

    Your Future Picks:
    2019 Round 1 Pick
    2020 Round 1 Pick

  • B Bigalow80 wrote on last edited by

    What are you guys using for your mock draft scenarios? website?

    I wouldn't be overly concerned about the fumbling issue. Of all things a RB can solve, fumbling is one of them. I'm not saying to completely discredit it, but on the pecking order it is much lower than most things, IMOP