Senior Bowl Week Notes...

The Gipper

@hoorta said:

OK, I understand you were quoting an ancient history mock draft on Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. He's currently nowhere to be seen on a bunch of other "professional scouting service" mocks in the first round.

The South QBs, and dig deep Gip.

Brandon Silvers, Troy

Kurt Benkert, Virginia (Tour has had his eyes on him for a while)

Mike White, Western Kentucky (put him in the dark horse thread, he looked decent Thursday)

Kyle Lauletta, Richmond (I have to say who?)

BTW, the South has Rashaad Penny SD State, led DI in rushing... tune in this afternoon...

Two keys to your point Larry:

1. CBS STILL has him rated #1.....so, if you think this morning of January 27, 2018 is "ancient history" so be it.

2. "MOCK drafts are not supposedly the recitation of the rankings based on pure talent projection....they are supposedly a forecast of what that particular service thinks that the NFL teams will do in the draft. So, even thought CBS Sports has Rudolph ranked #1.....they only have him ranked the 10th best prospect overall (as they think that 9 other guys are better than the best QB......AND...in their Mock draft..they do NOT have Rudolph going as the first QB taken. I think he was third or 4th.

So...as you see, a prospect ranking and a mock draft are vastly different animals.

Finally.....I would be pleased to see the rankings of various other "professional scouting services". ...NOT their mock drafts....their player rankings.

As just one example.....Mel Kiper had the Browns taking Josh Allen with the #1 overall pick. Do you think for a moment that Mel Kiper has Josh Allen as the #1 overall prospect in his draft? I seriously doubt it. (because I do not pay for that service...I don't see his rankings).

A lot of us think that Kiper must be having joke at the Browns expense. It seems like he is saying with that mock draft: "I think the Browns will continue their pattern of making the dumbest moves ever when drafting QBs."

I mean...doesn't that sound like what Kiper is saying?

hoorta

@the-gipper said:

Two keys to your point Larry:

1. CBS STILL has him rated #1.....so, if you think this morning of January 27, 2018 is "ancient history" so be it.

2. "MOCK drafts are not supposedly the recitation of the rankings based on pure talent projection....they are supposedly a forecast of what that particular service thinks that the NFL teams will do in the draft. So, even thought CBS Sports has Rudolph ranked #1.....they only have him ranked the 10th best prospect overall (as they think that 9 other guys are better than the best QB......AND...in their Mock draft..they do NOT have Rudolph going as the first QB taken. I think he was third or 4th.

So...as you see, a prospect ranking and a mock draft are vastly different animals.

Finally.....I would be pleased to see the rankings of various other "professional scouting services". ...NOT their mock drafts....their player rankings.

As just one example.....Mel Kiper had the Browns taking Josh Allen with the #1 overall pick. Do you think for a moment that Mel Kiper has Josh Allen as the #1 overall prospect in his draft? I seriously doubt it. (because I do not pay for that service...I don't see his rankings).

A lot of us think that Kiper must be having joke at the Browns expense. It seems like he is saying with that mock draft: "I think the Browns will continue their pattern of making the dumbest moves ever when drafting QBs."

I mean...doesn't that sound like what Kiper is saying?

Yeah, Mel is crazy to have the Browns taking Allen #1 overall. As me and Mark have opined, we already have his clone on the roster in Kizer.

Well, CBS Sports is full of it if they have Rudolph as the #1 qb prospect. Here's Daniel Jeremiah's (was a pro scout before he got his job @ NFLN) ranking the top 50. Rudolph is nowhere to be seen... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000909727/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft

Need more? 6th best qb http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=130840&draftyear=2018&genpos=QB

Walter Football 7th best http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php

So don't go putting much stock in an outlier Gip. I like Rudolph (he interviewed well), but barring something unforeseen by me between now and the end of April, he's not getting drafted in the top 10. Doing Google, seems the Ravens might have an interest in Rudolph as an eventual replacement for JOe Flacco.

Tour2ma

Kiper raised Allen to his #1 ranking... and while that's funnier than him reading GM tea leaves for his mock, but the CBS ranking has been and is an absolute joke.

Just to help Gip follow along, here is the DraftScout ranking... http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2018&sortby=rateall&order=ASC

DSRank	Name	College	Proj	Hgt	Wgt	40	20	10	Bench	Vert Jump	Broad Jump	Shuttle	3Cone
1	*Darnold, Sam**	QB, Southern California	1	6-3	220	4.74

2	*Barkley, Saquon**	RB, Penn State	1	5-11	230	4.49

3	*Rosen, Josh**	QB, UCLA	1	6-3	218	4.97

4	*Fitzpatrick, Minkah**	CB, Alabama	1	6-0	201	4.52

5	Chubb, Bradley	DE, North Carolina State	1	6-3	275	4.84

6	*Nelson, Quenton**	OG, Notre Dame	1	6-4	330	5.23

7	*Smith, Roquan**	ILB, Georgia	1	6-0	225	4.54

8	*Allen, Josh**	QB, Wyoming	1	6-5	237	4.76

9	*Payne, DaRon**	DT, Alabama	1	6-2	308	5.38

10	*Williams, Connor**	OT, Texas	1	6-5	315	5.31

Rudolph is down at #50.

tiamat63

Benkert!!

SD_Tom

How bout some love for Rashaad Penny now? I'm telling you he's a machine.

gumby73

Penny..just KO returns? or can he field a Punt? his straight line speed is outstanding

SD_Tom

@gumby73 said:

Penny..just KO returns? or can he field a Punt? his straight line speed is outstanding

he's got 7 career KO TD's, and 1 PR TD.

gumby73

@tiamat63 said:

Benkert!!

thanks Tom. poor high point by Washington caused red zone pick on B-kert..like Washington's hands better than his vertical jump..we'll see at combine

tiamat63

@gumby73 said:

thanks Tom. poor high point by Washington caused red zone pick on B-kert..like Washington's hands better than his vertical jump..we'll see at combine

Who's Tom?

SD_Tom

@tiamat63 said:

Who's Tom?

I have no idea

gumby73

did not realize Ok. St. WR Washington is only 5'11" at 210 lbs. that's a lot to vertical at 210..Rudolph was stacked with 3 good WR's

Orion

@sd_tom said:

How bout some love for Rashaad Penny now? I'm telling you he's a machine.

My cousin (Browns fan) has liked him for some time now. There are RB's to be had without spending a #1 pick on one.

BrownsnMopar

@orion said:

My cousin (Browns fan) has liked him for some time now. There are RB's to be had without spending a #1 pick on one.

Winner winner chicken dinner!!!

GO BROWNS

hoorta

@tour2ma said:

Kiper raised Allen to his #1 ranking... and while that's funnier than him reading GM tea leaves for his mock, but the CBS ranking has been and is an absolute joke.

Just to help Gip follow along, here is the DraftScout ranking... http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2018&sortby=rateall&order=ASC

On another issue looking at that chart, Po says Barkley ran a laser timed 4.33! Told him when he runs a 4.2 at the combine, I'll get excited.

@sd_tom said:

How bout some love for Rashaad Penny now? I'm telling you he's a machine.

He be plenty fast, that fo' sure. Gonna be around 3 RBs sitting @ #33 that are as good an option as taking Barkley in the top 5.

SD_Tom

@hoorta said:

On another issue looking at that chart, Po says Barkley ran a laser timed 4.33! Told him when he runs a 4.2 at the combine, I'll get excited.

He be plenty fast, that fo' sure. Gonna be around 3 RBs sitting @ #33 that are as good an option as taking Barkley in the top 5.

Or better

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Kiper raised Allen to his #1 ranking... and while that's funnier than him reading GM tea leaves for his mock, but the CBS ranking has been and is an absolute joke.

Just to help Gip follow along, here is the DraftScout ranking... http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2018&sortby=rateall&order=ASC

DSRank Name College Proj Hgt Wgt 40 20 10 Bench Vert Jump Broad Jump Shuttle 3Cone

1
Darnold, *Sam QB, Southern California 1 6-3 220 4.74


2
Barkley, *Saquon RB, Penn State 1 5-11 230 4.49


3
Rosen, *Josh QB, UCLA 1 6-3 218 4.97


4
Fitzpatrick, *Minkah CB, Alabama 1 6-0 201 4.52


5
Chubb, Bradley DE, North Carolina State 1 6-3 275 4.84


6
Nelson, *Quenton OG, Notre Dame 1 6-4 330 5.23


7
Smith, *Roquan ILB, Georgia 1 6-0 225 4.54


8
Allen, *Josh QB, Wyoming 1 6-5 237 4.76


9
Payne, *DaRon DT, Alabama 1 6-2 308 5.38


10
Williams, *Connor OT, Texas 1 6-5 315 5.31

Rudolph is down at #50.

What is the injury for Rosen that they are showingWhat is the injury for Rosen that they are showing

calfoxwc

@the-gipper said:

What is the injury for Rosen that they are showing

WKNS News, Alberto, California (1-27-2018)

Josh Rosen slipped and fell over the edge of his new hard shell hot tub, and badly bruised his crotch. It is believed he will be fine by

the combine, where he will probably still be bringing his hottub with him.

LOL. Ok, SORRY.

The Gipper · WKNS News, Alberto, California (1-27-2018)

@calfoxwc said:

WKNS News, Alberto, California (1-27-2018)

Josh Rosen slipped and fell over the edge of his new hard shell hot tub, and badly bruised his crotch. It is believed he will be fine by

the combine, where he will probably still be bringing his hottub with him.

LOL. Ok, SORRY.

You seem highly interested in what he has in his crotchYou seem highly interested in what he has in his crotch

calfoxwc · WKNS News, Alberto, California (1-27-2018)

@the-gipper said:

You seem highly interested in what he has in his crotchYou seem highly interested in what he has in his crotch

"you the one who has been riding it. you are the one who has been riding it."

what else do you hit if you fall over an edge with only one leg over?

Dutch Oven

@calfoxwc said:

"you the one who has been riding it. you are the one who has been riding it."

what else do you hit if you fall over an edge with only one leg over?

Once again, there isn't a poster on this board that has even come within miles of riding Rosen like you've ridden Josh Allen.