2018 QB Class

tiamat63

@hoorta said:

Yeah I know 70% completion rate sucks.

I think you're confusing completion % with accuracy.

mjp28

@bigalow80 said:

once again, I would never make that deal. As good as Rodgers is, Father Time is undefeated. I think Rosen or Darnold are elite qb talents and you take your chance with them.

I haven't seen anyone call them elite, good probably, maybe but we'll see what more the combines show.

Westside Steve

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/2/21/17035842/mel-kiper-mock-draft-josh-allen-browns

Cal will like this mock draft.

WSS

calfoxwc

@westside-steve said:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/2/21/17035842/mel-kiper-mock-draft-josh-allen-browns

Cal will like this mock draft.

WSS

eh. I think Miami will trade down, and draft Mike White.

Rosen isn't chosen until the second round, by the niners - who will have him back up Garoppolo, because rosen fits in

with the weirdo homeless people down on the strip.

Westside Steve

Actually I'm at the ones with the Browns taking Josh Allen. Comparing him to Matthew Stafford.

WSS

calfoxwc

I still think Allen has the highest upside - but it won't be his first year that he's ready to roll. It's just that kind of qb year.

gumby73

@westside-steve said:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/2/21/17035842/mel-kiper-mock-draft-josh-allen-browns

Cal will like this mock draft.

WSS

If our receivers can't get the handle on catching a 50 mph dart from Kizer? Hell, they may not even see the 60 mph dart of Allen coming till it gets past them 🥷

@calfoxwc said:

PoeticG

@gumby73 said:

If our receivers can't get the handle on catching 50 mph dart from Kizer? Hell, they may not even see the 60 mph dart of Allen coming till it gets past them 🥷

I don't think it's the speed of the pass... It's more of the placement. Rather, it's the erratic placement of his passes. You don't know when he's going to throw it OR where he's going to throw it.

gumby73

@poeticg said:

I don't think it's the speed of the pass... It's more of the placement. Rather, it's the erratic placement of his passes. You don't know when he's going to throw it OR where he's going to throw it.

have ya seen Allen ..i may need video's of Barkley passing..or I may be looking at Lollypop Luke Falk to underhand them the dang ball.. placement? if it's within your wing-span catch the dam thing

TexasAg1969

A(K)l(i)l(z)e(e)n(r). will make a perfect transition to a 2-14 team once we add defenders to a healthy defense.

You guys are a hoot.

The Gipper

@calfoxwc said:

I still think Allen has the highest upside - but it won't be his first year that he's ready to roll. It's just that kind of qb year.

And the highest hill to climb to reach that upside. Possibly Sisyphusian.

TexasAg1969

@the-gipper said:

And the highest hill to climb to reach that upside. Possibly Sisyphusian.

Every season feels more Promethean to me. Hannibal Lecter approves of this message as long a fava beans go with the main course.

Westside Steve

Another Mayfield mock and a trade...

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/02/nfl_mock_draft_2018_roundup_br.html

Orion

Whaddaya say we make a run for THIS super brilliant QB?

The earth is not flat. Most sane people know that. But thanks to Kyrie Irving, those five words have had to appear in “sports” articles over the past year.

Seriously, it’s been more than a year now since Irving first rolled out his flat earth theory. And yet still, athletes are following his lead. The latest, apparently, is NFL quarterback Geno Smith:

mjp28

@texasag1969 said:

A(K)l(i)l(z)e(e)n(r). will make a perfect transition to a 2-14 team once we add defenders to a healthy defense.

You guys are a hoot.

Very good aggie, a lot of work to make your point.

I have a good idea (I'm sure of it) the BROWNS can put the top 5 or 6 QB names plus Barkley plus a defensive guy on a wheel of fortune type wheel, wait now......

"And with the first selection in the 2018 NFL Draft the Cleveland Browns select"........spin wheel..... eh? Catchy? Maybe a yearly thing?

To me most QBs in this class are about the same anyway.

LogicIsForSquares

Bortles getting an extension from the Jags makes for one less suitor for Cousins.

Flugel

@logicisforsquares said:

Bortles getting an extension from the Jags makes for one less suitor for Cousins.

I could see them drafting someone like Mike White somewhere in round 2 or upper round 3 where he's not immediately threatening to Bortles but they're damn glad they just-in-cased his asssss. When it comes to a position as important as QB the 70s lyrics that say "it's sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along" can ring very true IMO.

As for the love-fest for Cousins - let someone else Pump-kin. He's way overpriced.

LogicIsForSquares

@flugel said:

I could see them drafting someone like Mike White somewhere in round 2 or upper round 3 where he's not immediately threatening to Bortles but they're damn glad they just-in-cased his asssss. When it comes to a position as important as QB the 70s lyrics that say "it's sad to belong to someone else when the right one comes along" can ring very true IMO.

As for the love-fest for Cousins - let someone else Pump-kin. He's way overpriced.

I am definitely not in on the love fest but it does limit the likely suspects. I am for Darnold and a vet.

SD_Tom

Any mock draft that doesn't have Rosen in the top 10 is insane to me when virtually every scouting report has him rated as most nfl ready and best technical skills.

The less throwing motion /footwork changes needed, the better. It's like a golfer changing his swing after years and years. Maybe they can, maybe they can't. I'd rather have the guy who just needs to learn the plays and work on the NFL game

Allen may have most upside, but so does/did Kizer. They're very physically similar. Chances are he'll struggle if he's expected to be a day 1 starter.

Flugel

@sd_tom said:

Any mock draft that doesn't have Rosen in the top 10 is insane to me when virtually every scouting report has him rated as most nfl ready and best technical skills.

The less throwing motion /footwork changes needed, the better. It's like a golfer changing his swing after years and years. Maybe they can, maybe they can't. I'd rather have the guy who just needs to learn the plays and work on the NFL game

Allen may have most upside, but so does/did Kizer. They're very physically similar. Chances are he'll struggle if he's expected to be a day 1 starter.

They also said all that "most Pro Ready QB in the draft" stuff about Brady Quinn in 2007 before he slid all the way to #22 overall. Let's just say we've learned not to trust the "most NFL ready" tags. Brady Quinn and Josh Rosen both had former NFL Coaches as their College Head Coaches but that doesn't necessarily make them NFL ready. Didn't Rosen's Head Coach just get fired for going 4-8 in 2016 and 6-7 in 2017?

I only watched the first half of the video you showed. He did look technically sound. That said, he overthrew a couple wide open guys downfield that good NFL QBs would consider give-me's. And right near half time the commentator said "this offensive line has been giving Rosen all day to throw." It's a lot easier to keep good mechanics when you have all day to throw without 320 lb DTs in intimate space of QB preventing the ability to step into the throws.

I see that SD part of your screen name and get the sense Rosen is a local kid you're pulling hard for. I still don't see all the hype about this kid just yet. His numbers aren't special and his greatness hasn't carried that team to victories like a Dan Fouts used to have to do all the time in spite of a bad SD Chargers defense. That may sound unfair on my part but nothing about playing QB in Cleveland is fair at all. If he can't escalate the play of his current team why will Cleveland be easier for him?

My faves (Darnold and Mayfield) have concerns as well Tom - but I've seen both guys win consistently (sometimes requiring them to overcome adversity/mistakes).