2018 QB Class
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Big 12 QB (name one that has come out of those wide open Big12 offenses who has amounted to anything) throwing to wide open receivers who also happens to be short.
We actually researched this matter a bit ago. The best QB to come out of the Big 12 since its inception (in about 1994 or 1996) has been Andy Dalton. Best stats, most wins, most playoff appearances.
If Dalton had just won 1 or 2 of the playoff games he started...we all would likely have a better opinion of the guy. But, for now, he is "Just a Guy". Though it appears that that guy will no longer have AJ McCarron breathing down his neck.
We actually researched this matter a bit ago. The best QB to come out of the Big 12 since its inception (in about 1994 or 1996) has been Andy Dalton. Best stats, most wins, most playoff appearances.
If Dalton had just won 1 or 2 of the playoff games he started...we all would likely have a better opinion of the guy. But, for now, he is "Just a Guy". Though it appears that that guy will no longer have AJ McCarron breathing down his neck.
An Andy Dalton ceiling QB picked in the top 4 gives me heartburn.
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I heard something interesting about Baker Mayfield from several analysts this morning, and I believe it's worth mentioning here. Last year before the draft we constantly heard why Deshaun Watson wasn't good enough, that he was a product of a system, he didn't throw the ball hard enough, or his frame wasn't quite thick enough. Even though Watson was generally the best player on the field, performed on literally the biggest stage on earth, and was known to be near saintly as a human being, he was still the 3rd QB drafted behind Trubisky and Mahomes. This is nothing against either of those two guys, as they could develop into terrific players, but if you could do the draft over again, would they still go before Watson?
I mention all of this because the same kind of thing appears to be going on with Baker Mayfield. He's too small, he's got a chip on his shoulder, he's just another system guy, his deep ball isn't good enough, and he had that one arrest when he was drunk last year and he was dumb enough to run from police when all they wanted to do was speak to him. Isn't it possible that the same thing could be happening with Baker as it did with Watson, and instead of trying to find reasons NOT to take the best QB of 2017, the Browns should learn from last year and take the guy who performed the best all year? Baker Mayfield is absurdly accurate, he doesn't turn it over, he's got super quick feet, he WANTS to play for us, and I actually want a guy with a chip on his shoulder! We've been getting our azzes kicked for far too long, so perhaps we can use a little crotch-grabbing attitude on our bench.
Baker Mayfield has basically succeeded wherever he's been, and the kid was NEVER given anything. He wasn't chosen for anything. He earned the job at Texas Tech as a freaking walk-on, then he transferred to one of the biggest college football teams in the nation and wins the job AGAIN as a walk-on. He simply puts the ball where he wants it better than the other guys, and he's also a skilled runner with the ball. Oh yeah, he also knows how to slide (most of the time) and the only times he didn't was when he was a little too juiced up and it appeared he WANTED some contact. I love the spirit, but can't do that in the NFL or else you'll die. I think Baker Mayfield is Drew Brees with an attitude. He's so good at getting the ball out to the right guy, and he's not going to get out-worked by anybody. We're going to sign a veteran QB who will likely be expected to start the season. It's just another opportunity for Baker Mayfield to win the starting job when he wasn't supposed to. Regardless of where Baker is "supposed to go", draft him #1 because I can promise another team will fall in love with him and move up to snatch him. Let's learn from 2017 and stop over thinking why we SHOULDN'T draft the best player, and freaking take the guy who I think is going to be something special.
The link below quickly explains Baker's rather strange journey in college football. During his 4 years playing QB at 2 different schools, he amassed around 132 passing touchdowns, and 21 rushing scores in his career. That's dumb.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/12/9/16756056/baker-mayfield-walk-on-heisman
I heard something interesting about Baker Mayfield from several analysts this morning, and I believe it's worth mentioning here. Last year before the draft we constantly heard why Deshaun Watson wasn't good enough, that he was a product of a system, he didn't throw the ball hard enough, or his frame wasn't quite thick enough. Even though Watson was generally the best player on the field, performed on literally the biggest stage on earth, and was known to be near saintly as a human being, he was still the 3rd QB drafted behind Trubisky and Mahomes. This is nothing against either of those two guys, as they could develop into terrific players, but if you could do the draft over again, would they still go before Watson?
I mention all of this because the same kind of thing appears to be going on with Baker Mayfield. He's too small, he's got a chip on his shoulder, he's just another system guy, his deep ball isn't good enough, and he had that one arrest when he was drunk last year and he was dumb enough to run from police when all they wanted to do was speak to him. Isn't it possible that the same thing could be happening with Baker as it did with Watson, and instead of trying to find reasons NOT to take the best QB of 2017, the Browns should learn from last year and take the guy who performed the best all year? Baker Mayfield is absurdly accurate, he doesn't turn it over, he's got super quick feet, he WANTS to play for us, and I actually want a guy with a chip on his shoulder! We've been getting our azzes kicked for far too long, so perhaps we can use a little crotch-grabbing attitude on our bench.
Baker Mayfield has basically succeeded wherever he's been, and the kid was NEVER given anything. He wasn't chosen for anything. He earned the job at Texas Tech as a freaking walk-on, then he transferred to one of the biggest college football teams in the nation and wins the job AGAIN as a walk-on. He simply puts the ball where he wants it better than the other guys, and he's also a skilled runner with the ball. Oh yeah, he also knows how to slide (most of the time) and the only times he didn't was when he was a little too juiced up and it appeared he WANTED some contact. I love the spirit, but can't do that in the NFL or else you'll die. I think Baker Mayfield is Drew Brees with an attitude. He's so good at getting the ball out to the right guy, and he's not going to get out-worked by anybody. We're going to sign a veteran QB who will likely be expected to start the season. It's just another opportunity for Baker Mayfield to win the starting job when he wasn't supposed to. Regardless of where Baker is "supposed to go", draft him #1 because I can promise another team will fall in love with him and move up to snatch him. Let's learn from 2017 and stop over thinking why we SHOULDN'T draft the best player, and freaking take the guy who I think is going to be something special.
The link below quickly explains Baker's rather strange journey in college football. During his 4 years playing QB at 2 different schools, he amassed around 132 passing touchdowns, and 21 rushing scores in his career. That's dumb.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/12/9/16756056/baker-mayfield-walk-on-heisman
Watson had all the intangibles, mayfield doesn't. Watson is bigger, faster, more athletic, and his character is top notch. Mayfield is short, has character issues on and off the field, and played in an all offense conference where almost nobody has success in the NFL.
I like Mayfield too, I love his fire, the walk on winning a Heisman, the competitiveness, the completion % and all that, but not a good comparison to Watson.
We'll see how it plays out once our FO interviews their top 3
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My faves (Darnold and Mayfield) have concerns as well Tom - but I've seen both guys win consistently (sometimes requiring them to overcome adversity/mistakes).
Without a doubt, all the top QBs have concerns. I'm starting to slowly understand what mjp has been harping on concerning this QB class.
That being said, how do you think Darnold or Mayfield would have done with UCLA? Or what would Rosen had done with USC or Oklahoma?
Because the talent level at Oklahoma and USC was light years ahead of UCLA. I'm pretty sure UCLA's defense is still giving up points...
Without a doubt, all the top QBs have concerns. I'm starting to slowly understand what mjp has been harping on concerning this QB class.
That being said, how do you think Darnold or Mayfield would have done with UCLA? Or what would Rosen had done with USC or Oklahoma?
Because the talent level at Oklahoma and USC was light years ahead of UCLA. I'm pretty sure UCLA's defense is still giving up points...
Yeah, I see what you mean. I really have questions about every guy; but tis the season to over-analyze. We all did this last year and the year before. I think there will be some good/great QBs in this draft; and I think there will be some that get drafted way up where they don't belong. And when there's guys drafted way up where they don't belong (ie; Weeden) - there's also guys that are great picks after round 1 (ie: Russell Wilson). I hope we finally land a keeper.
Rivals.com and Scout.com rated Rosen as a 5 star recruit and ranked him as the best QB in his class. Rivals also ranked him as the best overall recruit. Being #1 gave him choices. That being the case, my guess is he COULD have played QB at Oklahoma or USC or Stanford or anywhere he wanted to. He chose UCLA. Dan Fouts NEVER had a defense and his greatness always got SD into the playoffs after consistently outscoring opponents in spite of the lack of defense. No excuses necessary... This doesn't necessarily mean Rosen sucks. I'm just looking at a 1-31 team being up against a whole lot more than Rosen was up against at UCLA. What's going to make Cleveland easier for him?
In comparison, Darnold was only a 4 star recruit. That still gave Darnold way more choices than Baker Mayfield had. Mayfield had to walk-on at Texas Tech before he had to walk on to Oklahoma; so the story gets impressive. This is especially so when we understand Oklahoma still had the QB (Trevor Knight) that went 32 of 44 passing for 348 yards and 4 TDs in a 45-31victory over Alabama in the 2014 Sugar Bowl. I listened to Stoops talk about it and the magnitude of him coming into a program like that and earning the starting job. Nothing was given to the kid and I think that's what I find so impressive about him. And it isn't like Oklahoma always played great defense the last 2 years.
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Rosen benefitted by a veteran team around him. That helps immensely to have better stats.
Here are the UCLA Seniors:
Defensive Back, Jaleel Wadood
Wide Receiver, Mossi Johnson
Running Back, Nate Starks
Linebacker, Kenny Young
Offensive Lineman, Najee Toran
Wide Receiver, Alex Van Dyke
Defensive Lineman, Jacob Tuioti-Mariner
Defensive Lineman, Matt Dickerson
Wide Receiver, Darren Andrews
Offensive Lineman, Scott Quessenberry
Offensive Lineman, Gyo Shojima
Offensive Lineman, Zach Bateman
Offensive Lineman, Poasi Moala
Offensive Lineman, Kenny Lacy
UCLA Underclassmen:
Wide Receiver, Jordan Lasley
Offensive Tackle, Kolton Miller
Tight End, Austin Roberts
Quarterback, Josh Rosen
Someone quotes stats and rankings, quantifiable things indicating performance of those around Rosen ... all you post is a list of upper classman as if all seniors are good like thats somehow able to discredit what was above.
You have the tenacity of a true sociopath when you get something in your head. Even when it's a piss poor argument.
Someone quotes stats and rankings, quantifiable things indicating performance of those around Rosen ... all you post is a list of upper classman as if all seniors are good like thats somehow able to discredit what was above.
You have the tenacity of a true sociopath when you get something in your head. Even when it's a piss poor argument.
frickin moron. The point was, that a senior class helps him have good stats. Seniors have the advantage of experience and teamwork. They don't have to be all stars.
His offense helps him have good states. You're just wrong, stop worshipping rosenbum. Your stats are not going to change anyones minds, may as well shove it, tiamsies. Your arrogance is superseded only by your belligerence. Other people get to have their own opinion, too. Hey, guess what, numbnuts - you haven't changed your mind and agreed with anybody else either. "der"
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Someone quotes stats and rankings, quantifiable things indicating performance of those around Rosen ... all you post is a list of upper classman as if all seniors are good like thats somehow able to discredit what was above.
You have the tenacity of a true sociopath when you get something in your head. Even when it's a piss poor argument.
frickin moron. The point was, that a senior class helps him have good stats. Seniors have the advantage of experience and teamwork. They don't have to be all stars.
His offense helps him have good states. You're just wrong, stop worshipping rosenbum. Your stats are not going to change anyones minds, may as well shove it, tiamsies. Your arrogance is superseded only by your belligerence. Other people get to have their own opinion, too. Hey, guess what, numbnuts - you haven't changed your mind and agreed with anybody else either. "der"
frickin moron. The point was, that a senior class helps him have good stats. Seniors have the advantage of experience and teamwork. They don't have to be all stars.
His offense helps him have good states. You're just wrong, stop worshipping rosenbum. Your stats are not going to change anyones minds, may as well shove it, tiamsies. Your arrogance is superseded only by your belligerence. Other people get to have their own opinion, too. Hey, guess what, numbnuts - you haven't changed your mind and agreed with anybody else either. "der"
I didn't post stats... and that senior class only helped get UCLA 4 wins. People that usually don't even agree with me see how incredibly flimsy... actually how outright stupid the point your trying to make is.
You must not have checked them for yourself because half of those seniors (more likely all of them) will never play a down in the NFL.
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It's a conspiracy and Google's obviously in on it! You can literally search for QB rankings (takes 0.69 seconds and you can see my search), and 2 of the 3 top results talk about Rosen's skills in the description. He's not the flashiest or has the biggest arm, or the most mobile, but he's the best passer in the draft. Yes, they can all make some big time throws, but Rosen and Mayfield are the most consistent.... and between those two, I'd take the 6'4 guy who's played under center against Pac12 defenses vs the 6ft guy who played in the Big 12 out of the shotgun every snap. When Rosen plays, he just looks like an NFL QB to me.
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frickin moron. The point was, that a senior class helps him have good stats. Seniors have the advantage of experience and teamwork. They don't have to be all stars.
His offense helps him have good states. You're just wrong, stop worshipping rosenbum. Your stats are not going to change anyones minds, may as well shove it, tiamsies. Your arrogance is superseded only by your belligerence. Other people get to have their own opinion, too. Hey, guess what, numbnuts - you haven't changed your mind and agreed with anybody else either. "der"
I didn't post stats... and that senior class only helped get UCLA 4 wins. People that usually don't even agree with me see how incredibly flimsy... actually how outright stupid the point your trying to make is.
You must not have checked them for yourself because half of those seniors (more likely all of them) will never play a down in the NFL.
I didn't post stats... and that senior class only helped get UCLA 4 wins. People that usually don't even agree with me see how incredibly flimsy... actually how outright stupid the point your trying to make is.
You must not have checked them for yourself because half of those seniors (more likely all of them) will never play a down in the NFL.
I said they weren't stars. it doesn't matter - seniors play better as a unit. experience matters. why not learn to read other's posts, and take them intelligently, rather than be po'd that they disagree with your pompous heinous. (yes, I changed it from "highness")
Stop bitching like a little bitch every time somebody disagrees with you already, fake mr. "know-it-all"
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It's a conspiracy and Google's obviously in on it! You can literally search for QB rankings (takes 0.69 seconds and you can see my search), and 2 of the 3 top results talk about Rosen's skills in the description. He's not the flashiest or has the biggest arm, or the most mobile, but he's the best passer in the draft. Yes, they can all make some big time throws, but Rosen and Mayfield are the most consistent.... and between those two, I'd take the 6'4 guy who's played under center against Pac12 defenses vs the 6ft guy who played in the Big 12 out of the shotgun every snap. When Rosen plays, he just looks like an NFL QB to me.
When Rosen plays, he just looks like an NFL QB to me.
yes, he is the best pure pocket passer. Ryan Leaf was a great college qb.
Read his stuff about himself now. What he says about himself, people say about rosenbum.
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yes, he is the best pure pocket passer. Ryan Leaf was a great college qb.
Read his stuff about himself now. What he says about himself, people say about rosenbum.
Ryan Leaf openly loved cocaine... I feel like just because the kid as a touch of Rodgers-esque arrogance you're immediately like "CHRIST HE"S LEAF!!!"
Also, because you've agree with this point before and were never able to refute it - ANYONE on record has nothing bad to say about Rosen. However all these random 'anonymous' people seem to generate a theme like it's a copied memo pass around the office.
Has one person put their name to that yet? Even the Dilfer link you posted contradicts the narrative you're pushing. It's like the poli board, except football....
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yes, he is the best pure pocket passer. Ryan Leaf was a great college qb.
Read his stuff about himself now. What he says about himself, people say about rosenbum.
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/1/4/16826100/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-browns-giants-ucla-bruins
I've read and watched plenty.
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I heard something interesting about Baker Mayfield from several analysts this morning, and I believe it's worth mentioning here. Last year before the draft we constantly heard why Deshaun Watson wasn't good enough, that he was a product of a system, he didn't throw the ball hard enough, or his frame wasn't quite thick enough. Even though Watson was generally the best player on the field, performed on literally the biggest stage on earth, and was known to be near saintly as a human being, he was still the 3rd QB drafted behind Trubisky and Mahomes. This is nothing against either of those two guys, as they could develop into terrific players, but if you could do the draft over again, would they still go before Watson?
I mention all of this because the same kind of thing appears to be going on with Baker Mayfield. He's too small, he's got a chip on his shoulder, he's just another system guy, his deep ball isn't good enough, and he had that one arrest when he was drunk last year and he was dumb enough to run from police when all they wanted to do was speak to him. Isn't it possible that the same thing could be happening with Baker as it did with Watson, and instead of trying to find reasons NOT to take the best QB of 2017, the Browns should learn from last year and take the guy who performed the best all year? Baker Mayfield is absurdly accurate, he doesn't turn it over, he's got super quick feet, he WANTS to play for us, and I actually want a guy with a chip on his shoulder! We've been getting our azzes kicked for far too long, so perhaps we can use a little crotch-grabbing attitude on our bench.
Baker Mayfield has basically succeeded wherever he's been, and the kid was NEVER given anything. He wasn't chosen for anything. He earned the job at Texas Tech as a freaking walk-on, then he transferred to one of the biggest college football teams in the nation and wins the job AGAIN as a walk-on. He simply puts the ball where he wants it better than the other guys, and he's also a skilled runner with the ball. Oh yeah, he also knows how to slide (most of the time) and the only times he didn't was when he was a little too juiced up and it appeared he WANTED some contact. I love the spirit, but can't do that in the NFL or else you'll die. I think Baker Mayfield is Drew Brees with an attitude. He's so good at getting the ball out to the right guy, and he's not going to get out-worked by anybody. We're going to sign a veteran QB who will likely be expected to start the season. It's just another opportunity for Baker Mayfield to win the starting job when he wasn't supposed to. Regardless of where Baker is "supposed to go", draft him #1 because I can promise another team will fall in love with him and move up to snatch him. Let's learn from 2017 and stop over thinking why we SHOULDN'T draft the best player, and freaking take the guy who I think is going to be something special.
The link below quickly explains Baker's rather strange journey in college football. During his 4 years playing QB at 2 different schools, he amassed around 132 passing touchdowns, and 21 rushing scores in his career. That's dumb.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/12/9/16756056/baker-mayfield-walk-on-heisman
Watson had all the intangibles, mayfield doesn't. Watson is bigger, faster, more athletic, and his character is top notch. Mayfield is short, has character issues on and off the field, and played in an all offense conference where almost nobody has success in the NFL.
I like Mayfield too, I love his fire, the walk on winning a Heisman, the competitiveness, the completion % and all that, but not a good comparison to Watson.
We'll see how it plays out once our FO interviews their top 3
Watson had all the intangibles, mayfield doesn't. Watson is bigger, faster, more athletic, and his character is top notch. Mayfield is short, has character issues on and off the field, and played in an all offense conference where almost nobody has success in the NFL.
I like Mayfield too, I love his fire, the walk on winning a Heisman, the competitiveness, the completion % and all that, but not a good comparison to Watson.
We'll see how it plays out once our FO interviews their top 3
Yeah, he's not a great comparison in those aspects, but the comparison I was trying to make was that Watson got picked apart even though he was generally the best player on the field, and Mayfield appears to be getting the same treatment, even though HE was generally the best QB in the world. But you're right, they are very different prospects.
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Watson had all the intangibles, mayfield doesn't. Watson is bigger, faster, more athletic, and his character is top notch. Mayfield is short, has character issues on and off the field, and played in an all offense conference where almost nobody has success in the NFL.
I like Mayfield too, I love his fire, the walk on winning a Heisman, the competitiveness, the completion % and all that, but not a good comparison to Watson.
We'll see how it plays out once our FO interviews their top 3
Yeah, he's not a great comparison in those aspects, but the comparison I was trying to make was that Watson got picked apart even though he was generally the best player on the field, and Mayfield appears to be getting the same treatment, even though HE was generally the best QB in the world. But you're right, they are very different prospects.
Yeah, he's not a great comparison in those aspects, but the comparison I was trying to make was that Watson got picked apart even though he was generally the best player on the field, and Mayfield appears to be getting the same treatment, even though HE was generally the best QB in the world. But you're right, they are very different prospects.
YAHTZEE! Watson got absolutely shredded in here last year. After a really good combine - someone pulled out his RPMs and throwing velocity leading many to conclude it to be the tell-all sign he'd suck. Watson also got written off to being on a GREAT team even though a guy like Alabama's Jonathan Allen said he's easily the best player they faced. Of course, that conclusion could only be drawn 1 week after Watson led Clemson to a 42-0 victory over Ohio State.
In Houston, Tom Savage might have had the best RPMs and throwing velocity on their depth chart. That said, the only time they were the highest scoring offense in the AFC was the duration Watson started. That was also the period they won their highest concentration of games.
Do you know what overcomes a not so wonderful RPM and throwing velocity? Throwing the ball on time via good pre-snap intellect/reads, vision, pocket presence and accuracy. Do you know what renders excellent RPMs and throwing velocity useless? Not having good pre-snap intellect, vision, and pocket presence which leads to not getting the ball to the targets on time. More routes get jumped for that in the NFL than arm strength. Brandon Weeden showed us this as many times as we needed to see it.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I'm looking forward to seeing Rosen throw at the combines. There's no hurry in coming to a final opinion on the guy.
I'm being honest when I say I've seen a guy that was hyped up as the #1 QB coming out of high school. I've seen the ideal mechanics I've read about; but I've also seen him miss/overthrow some wide open targets that the great ones in the NFL complete routinely. I pointed this out in the first half of the video SD-Tom shared. 2 different guys broke open with no defenders between them and the end zone and he missed them both. When I'm hearing best QB in the country - that's where I expect to see that.
I've had season tickets to Vandy games. I remembered Jay Cutler becoming the SEC Player of the Year and all people asked was - what if he just had a defense? Well, in the NFL - it was pretty much the same story as early as Denver. A lot of big stats with no victories. He'll get you all those 340 yards and over passing days way easier than he'll get you victories on those days. What's missing? Teammates AGAIN? Really?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Yeah, he's not a great comparison in those aspects, but the comparison I was trying to make was that Watson got picked apart even though he was generally the best player on the field, and Mayfield appears to be getting the same treatment, even though HE was generally the best QB in the world. But you're right, they are very different prospects.
YAHTZEE! Watson got absolutely shredded in here last year. After a really good combine - someone pulled out his RPMs and throwing velocity leading many to conclude it to be the tell-all sign he'd suck. Watson also got written off to being on a GREAT team even though a guy like Alabama's Jonathan Allen said he's easily the best player they faced. Of course, that conclusion could only be drawn 1 week after Watson led Clemson to a 42-0 victory over Ohio State.
In Houston, Tom Savage might have had the best RPMs and throwing velocity on their depth chart. That said, the only time they were the highest scoring offense in the AFC was the duration Watson started. That was also the period they won their highest concentration of games.
Do you know what overcomes a not so wonderful RPM and throwing velocity? Throwing the ball on time via good pre-snap intellect/reads, vision, pocket presence and accuracy. Do you know what renders excellent RPMs and throwing velocity useless? Not having good pre-snap intellect, vision, and pocket presence which leads to not getting the ball to the targets on time. More routes get jumped for that in the NFL than arm strength. Brandon Weeden showed us this as many times as we needed to see it.
YAHTZEE! Watson got absolutely shredded in here last year. After a really good combine - someone pulled out his RPMs and throwing velocity leading many to conclude it to be the tell-all sign he'd suck. Watson also got written off to being on a GREAT team even though a guy like Alabama's Jonathan Allen said he's easily the best player they faced. Of course, that conclusion could only be drawn 1 week after Watson led Clemson to a 42-0 victory over Ohio State.
In Houston, Tom Savage might have had the best RPMs and throwing velocity on their depth chart. That said, the only time they were the highest scoring offense in the AFC was the duration Watson started. That was also the period they won their highest concentration of games.
Do you know what overcomes a not so wonderful RPM and throwing velocity? Throwing the ball on time via good pre-snap intellect/reads, vision, pocket presence and accuracy. Do you know what renders excellent RPMs and throwing velocity useless? Not having good pre-snap intellect, vision, and pocket presence which leads to not getting the ball to the targets on time. More routes get jumped for that in the NFL than arm strength. Brandon Weeden showed us this as many times as we needed to see it.
Yep, couldn't agree more. I'm listening to the 2/23/18 Browns Daily show, and they have a guy named Dan Shonka as their guest who I absolutely love. He spends hours of breaking down QB's, and his "firm" has Baker Mayfield WAY above anybody else. You know what he said about arm strength? "You might as well throw that out of the window because that is the LEAST important aspect of a QB." He doesn't like Josh Allen (neither do I), and he doesn't really like Sam Darnold either (neither do I. He's so raw to me). With Darnold, Shonka says he doesn't understand why everyone seems to be giving him a pass on the turnovers. Basically, if you can't protect the ball in college, why is that going to change in the pros? He forced it into triple coverage, he held the ball low and fumbled it WAY too much, and after his team is down in the 4th quarter BECAUSE of his turnovers, Sam Darnold somehow gets credit for bringing his team back. Darnold has poor mechanics, and he's only been playing QB for a couple of years. I believe he was a linebacker until his senior year of high school, but I didn't verify that info.
Shonka goes onto say that Mayfield has the best accuracy, his teammates absolutely love him, and while he's uber competitive, he sees nothing wrong with his character. Mayfield isn't just accurate, he puts the ball where his receivers can catch and RUN WITH IT. According to him, Baker has "all the arm strength you need", and he reminds him so much of Drew Brees that "it isn't even funny".
It might just be the end of February, but right now...it's Baker Mayfield, and it's not even close. Shonka also likes Rosen, but says the concussion history scares the crap out of him, which I know many fans on this board have also relayed. If you haven't listened to the interview, it's on the 2/23/18 Browns Daily show, and it starts on the second hour of the show. Great info.
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Watson had all the intangibles, mayfield doesn't. Watson is bigger, faster, more athletic, and his character is top notch. Mayfield is short, has character issues on and off the field, and played in an all offense conference where almost nobody has success in the NFL.
I like Mayfield too, I love his fire, the walk on winning a Heisman, the competitiveness, the completion % and all that, but not a good comparison to Watson.
We'll see how it plays out once our FO interviews their top 3
Yeah, he's not a great comparison in those aspects, but the comparison I was trying to make was that Watson got picked apart even though he was generally the best player on the field, and Mayfield appears to be getting the same treatment, even though HE was generally the best QB in the world. But you're right, they are very different prospects.
Yeah, he's not a great comparison in those aspects, but the comparison I was trying to make was that Watson got picked apart even though he was generally the best player on the field, and Mayfield appears to be getting the same treatment, even though HE was generally the best QB in the world. But you're right, they are very different prospects.
Watson was actually my favorite qb of the draft last year. People complained about his ints and his weak arm.
We'll see if mayfield can adapt to the NFL as well.
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Big 12 QB (name one that has come out of those wide open Big12 offenses who has amounted to anything) throwing to wide open receivers who also happens to be short.
Big 12 QB (name one that has come out of those wide open Big12 offenses who has amounted to anything) throwing to wide open receivers who also happens to be short.
Mayfield also is capable of putting the ball where only his receivers can catch it when they're covered. As to being "wide open", did you enjoy seeing Kizer throw it ten feet over his wrs heads or in the dirt in similar situations?
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Big 12 QB (name one that has come out of those wide open Big12 offenses who has amounted to anything) throwing to wide open receivers who also happens to be short.
Mayfield also is capable of putting the ball where only his receivers can catch it when they're covered. As to being "wide open", did you enjoy seeing Kizer throw it ten feet over his wrs heads or in the dirt in similar situations?
Mayfield also is capable of putting the ball where only his receivers can catch it when they're covered. As to being "wide open", did you enjoy seeing Kizer throw it ten feet over his wrs heads or in the dirt in similar situations?
Well, Kizer is terrible so he shouldn’t be in the discussion at all at this point.
I did not see a QB throwing his guys open. Until one of these Big 12 QBs shows to be worth a sh-it in the pros, I don’t want the Browns to be the team using top 4 picks on lottery tickets.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/report-sam-darnold-won-t-154931188.html
Report: Sam Darnold won’t throw in Indy
The top quarterback prospects in this year’s draft class will be looking for ways to differentiate themselves from one another over the next couple of months and Sam Darnold has reportedly found a way to do it in Indianapolis this week.
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Darnold will not take part in throwing drills during the Scouting Combine. He is expected to throw at USC’s Pro Day workout on March 21 instead.
Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Mason Rudolph are all expected to do the throwing drills in Indy. Lamar Jackson has not announced what he plans to do at this point.
There have been plenty of quarterbacks in the past who have passed on throwing at the combine in favor of working in familiar conditions and with familiar receivers at their schools. That trend has reversed in recent years, but it seems Darnold will not be part of that wave.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/report-sam-darnold-won-t-154931188.html
Report: Sam Darnold won’t throw in Indy
The top quarterback prospects in this year’s draft class will be looking for ways to differentiate themselves from one another over the next couple of months and Sam Darnold has reportedly found a way to do it in Indianapolis this week.
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Darnold will not take part in throwing drills during the Scouting Combine. He is expected to throw at USC’s Pro Day workout on March 21 instead.
Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Mason Rudolph are all expected to do the throwing drills in Indy. Lamar Jackson has not announced what he plans to do at this point.
There have been plenty of quarterbacks in the past who have passed on throwing at the combine in favor of working in familiar conditions and with familiar receivers at their schools. That trend has reversed in recent years, but it seems Darnold will not be part of that wave.
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-sam-darnold-won-t-154931188.html
Report: Sam Darnold won’t throw in Indy
The top quarterback prospects in this year’s draft class will be looking for ways to differentiate themselves from one another over the next couple of months and Sam Darnold has reportedly found a way to do it in Indianapolis this week.
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Darnold will not take part in throwing drills during the Scouting Combine. He is expected to throw at USC’s Pro Day workout on March 21 instead.
Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Mason Rudolph are all expected to do the throwing drills in Indy. Lamar Jackson has not announced what he plans to do at this point.
There have been plenty of quarterbacks in the past who have passed on throwing at the combine in favor of working in familiar conditions and with familiar receivers at their schools. That trend has reversed in recent years, but it seems Darnold will not be part of that wave.
The combine and pro days are kind of a joke for QBs. If the game footage hasn't shown enough, seeing them throw to uncovered WRs while wearing shorts and a tshirt shouldn't tip the scale one way or the other.
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