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I admire Dorsey's approach - sit down and learn about who these qb's are, what makes them tick, are they a fit. He wants to talk to all of them.
Truth is, putting too much emphasis on one stat, one game, one weakness,whatever - clouds the legit appraisal of the qbs and their chances of being the right guy or not for your NFL team.
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College. Pro
Dan Marino. 57.6. 59.4
John Elway. 62.1. 56.9
Josh Allen. 56.2
Just Saying
And in 2017, of the top 25 NFL Qbs in yards- only four had completions under 60% , one which was our own not-so loved Deshone Kizer. Dalton and Newton just missed at 59% Just sayin'. Pass completion% has gone way up in the last 20 years in the top qbs. Why I have almost no hope Kizer is ever going to be anything in the pros.
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I admire Dorsey's approach - sit down and learn about who these qb's are, what makes them tick, are they a fit. He wants to talk to all of them.
Truth is, putting too much emphasis on one stat, one game, one weakness,whatever - clouds the legit appraisal of the qbs and their chances of being the right guy or not for your NFL team.
I admire Dorsey's approach - sit down and learn about who these qb's are, what makes them tick, are they a fit. He wants to talk to all of them.
Truth is, putting too much emphasis on one stat, one game, one weakness,whatever - clouds the legit appraisal of the qbs and their chances of being the right guy or not for your NFL team.
True....and once he does that he may come to the conclusion that Mason Rudolph is the legit thing.
(yes...I said this just to get Tour...and others to go have an epileptic fit)
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Oh, good...let's compare QB's near 30 years ago in their prime to the modern NFL passer.
Might as Shmucking well take a RB #1 overall since we're doing Sheet based on things done that long ago.
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I admire Dorsey's approach - sit down and learn about who these qb's are, what makes them tick, are they a fit. He wants to talk to all of them.
Truth is, putting too much emphasis on one stat, one game, one weakness,whatever - clouds the legit appraisal of the qbs and their chances of being the right guy or not for your NFL team.
True....and once he does that he may come to the conclusion that Mason Rudolph is the legit thing.
(yes...I said this just to get Tour...and others to go have an epileptic fit)
True....and once he does that he may come to the conclusion that Mason Rudolph is the legit thing.
(yes...I said this just to get Tour...and others to go have an epileptic fit)
That's how I know you haven't watched a damn bit of Mason. Kid might have a worse command than Allen does on pacing and placement of his throws.
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True....and once he does that he may come to the conclusion that Mason Rudolph is the legit thing.
(yes...I said this just to get Tour...and others to go have an epileptic fit)
That's how I know you haven't watched a damn bit of Mason. Kid might have a worse command than Allen does on pacing and placement of his throws.
That's how I know you haven't watched a damn bit of Mason. Kid might have a worse command than Allen does on pacing and placement of his throws.
I have actually watched a couple of his games....and overall thought he played very well. And if we are just looking at stats, completion % etc. here are his stats:
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Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Oklahoma State 915 1447 63.2 13618 9.4 9.9 92 26 159.7 *2014 Oklahoma State Big 12 FR QB 3 49 86 57.0 853 9.9 9.2 6 4 154.0 *2015 Oklahoma State Big 12 SO QB 13 264 424 62.3 3770 8.9 8.9 21 9 149.1 *2016 Oklahoma State Big 12 JR QB 13 284 448 63.4 4091 9.1 10.0 28 4 158.9 2017 Oklahoma State Big 12 SR QB 13 318 489 65.0 4904 10.0 10.7 37 9 170.6 He improved his completion % every year. Excellent TD/Int. ratio. Not sure how these compare to other candidates...but on their own they are pretty fine stats. Of course....the ALWAYS caveat: He played against Big 12 defenses.
So...not perfect by any means. But, from what I saw visually...and what I see here...he stands up well enough.
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Compare Josh Rosen:
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Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career UCLA 712 1170 60.9 9340 8.0 8.0 59 26 140.1 *2015 UCLA Pac-12 FR QB 13 292 487 60.0 3669 7.5 7.5 23 11 134.3 2016 UCLA Pac-12 SO QB 6 137 231 59.3 1915 8.3 8.2 10 5 138.9 2017 UCLA Pac-12 JR QB 11 283 452 62.6 3756 8.3 8.5 26 10 147.0 Completion % not as good. Rating not as good YPA not as good. TD/Int ratio not as good. Just saying...and comparing.
No doubt tougher defenses in Pac 12.
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Sam Darnold. Only two years worth of stats.
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Baker Mayfield:
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Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Overall 1026 1497 68.5 14607 9.8 10.6 131 30 175.4 Texas Tech 218 340 64.1 2315 6.8 6.3 12 9 127.7 Oklahoma 808 1157 69.8 12292 10.6 11.9 119 21 189.4 *2013 Texas Tech Big 12 QB 8 218 340 64.1 2315 6.8 6.3 12 9 127.7 *2015 Oklahoma Big 12 JR QB 13 269 395 68.1 3700 9.4 10.4 36 7 173.3 *2016 Oklahoma Big 12 JR QB 13 254 358 70.9 3965 11.1 12.3 40 8 196.4 2017 Oklahoma Big 12 SR QB 14 285 404 70.5 4627 11.5 12.9 43 6 198.9 Better comp. % than the others above. Better TD/Int rate. Better YPA. Better rating. He wins the stats battle. (Again....vs. Big 12 defenses)
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Josh Allen stats:
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Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Wyoming 365 649 56.2 5066 7.8 7.7 44 21 137.7 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 51 8.5 8.5 0 0 138.1 *2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9 2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 Worst Comp %. Worst YPA, Worst rating. Worst TD/Int ratio. So far.
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Lamar Jackson Stats
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Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Louisville 619 1086 57.0 9043 8.3 8.5 69 27 142.9 *2015 Louisville ACC FR QB 12 135 247 54.7 1840 7.4 7.0 12 8 126.8 *2016 Louisville ACC SO QB 13 230 409 56.2 3543 8.7 9.1 30 9 148.8 2017 Louisville ACC JR QB 13 254 430 59.1 3660 8.5 8.7 27 10 146.6 Only 0.8 pct. better than Allen...but better Comp %. Overall slightly better.
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So.....On this "Battle of the Stats" I surmise that they come down in the following order:
1. Mayfield
2. Rudolph
3. Darnold
4. Rosen
5. Jackson
6. Allen.
Yes...this is based purely on these stats. No accounting for conference. No eye test....etc. Take it for what its worth.
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And those 6 may not be the only ones being considered.
Here are Luke Falks stats. They seem to compare reasonably favorably:
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Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Washington State 1403 2054 68.3 14481 7.1 7.4 119 39 142.8 2014 Washington State Pac-12 FR QB 5 156 243 64.2 1859 7.7 7.4 13 7 140.4 *2015 Washington State Pac-12 SO QB 12 447 644 69.4 4561 7.1 7.7 38 8 145.9 *2016 Washington State Pac-12 JR QB 13 443 633 70.0 4468 7.1 7.5 38 11 145.6 2017 Washington State Pac-12 SR QB 12 357 534 66.9 3593 6.7 6.8 30 13 137.0 Only Mayfield had a better comp. pct. Somewhat better rating than Rosen/Jackson. Much lower YPA,,, Good TD/Int ratio.
Again...just a pure stats view.
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Who else should be looked at?
How about Logan Woodside...Toledo:
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Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Toledo 759 1166 65.1 10514 9.0 9.6 93 25 162.9 2013 Toledo MAC FR QB 4 21 41 51.2 240 5.9 6.3 1 0 108.4 *2014 Toledo MAC SO QB 12 185 296 62.5 2263 7.6 7.7 19 8 142.5 *2015 Toledo MAC JR QB *2016 Toledo MAC JR QB 13 289 418 69.1 4129 9.9 11.1 45 9 183.3 2017 Toledo MAC SR QB 14 264 411 64.2 3882 9.4 9.9 28 8 162.2 Cannot discount the level of play...can you? If you are to look at Allen...you would look at him. And don't forget BR was MAC....and Wentz was FCS
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I admire Dorsey's approach - sit down and learn about who these qb's are, what makes them tick, are they a fit. He wants to talk to all of them.
Truth is, putting too much emphasis on one stat, one game, one weakness,whatever - clouds the legit appraisal of the qbs and their chances of being the right guy or not for your NFL team.
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Truth is, putting too much emphasis on one stat, one game, one weakness,whatever - clouds the legit appraisal of the qbs and their chances of being the right guy or not for your NFL team.
Especially when that stat dies not support your case.
True....expecially when ALL the stats do not support your case. As I said above when summarizing Allen:
Worst Comp %. Worst YPA, Worst rating. Worst TD/Int ratio.
I had no dog in the fight....I just report these facts.
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ha. I have noted Allen's lack of accuracy. The question is, how much is all on the qb? some of it has to do with the
defenses faced, the protection or lack thereof, the quality of wr's, availability of a very good pass catching TE, AND the type of offense played....the running game, and whatever else.
The accuracy may very well be coached/fixed to a point. You can NOT coach and fix a lifetime of being a spoiled asswipe turd like rosen, who has no leadership and would be a cancer in your lockerroom, a community divider, and a quitter when things get tough on the field. Little rosie would walk away whining, and blaming everything on his not having a hottub on the sideline. have a nice day.
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ha. I have noted Allen's lack of accuracy. The question is, how much is all on the qb? some of it has to do with the
defenses faced, the protection or lack thereof, the quality of wr's, availability of a very good pass catching TE, AND the type of offense played....the running game, and whatever else.
The accuracy may very well be coached/fixed to a point. You can NOT coach and fix a lifetime of being a spoiled asswipe turd like rosen, who has no leadership and would be a cancer in your lockerroom, a community divider, and a quitter when things get tough on the field. Little rosie would walk away whining, and blaming everything on his not having a hottub on the sideline. have a nice day.
ha. I have noted Allen's lack of accuracy. The question is, how much is all on the qb? some of it has to do with the
defenses faced, the protection or lack thereof, the quality of wr's, availability of a very good pass catching TE, AND the type of offense played....the running game, and whatever else.
The accuracy may very well be coached/fixed to a point. You can NOT coach and fix a lifetime of being a spoiled asswipe turd like rosen, who has no leadership and would be a cancer in your lockerroom, a community divider, and a quitter when things get tough on the field. Little rosie would walk away whining, and blaming everything on his not having a hottub on the sideline. have a nice day.
Regarding Allen- there was some interesting stuff on a cleveland.com podcast. Guy went in pretty deep detail... Josh's lousy completion% was against IIRC collectively (don't quote me on the exact #) the #178th ranked NCAA passing defenses.
Regarding Rosen- seems you're using one factor (that can't even be quantitated) to disqualify a player...
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So.....On this "Battle of the Stats" I surmise that they come down in the following order:
1. Mayfield
2. Rudolph
3. Darnold
4. Rosen
5. Jackson
6. Allen.
Yes...this is based purely on these stats. No accounting for conference. No eye test....etc. Take it for what its worth.
1. Mayfield-Multiple No Huddle offense..4 juniors/1 Soph. on OL..Spreads the ball around to multiple young WR's/TE's with 1 senior in Smallwood 2.Rudolph--Air Raid offense..3 seniors on OL at C,LT.RT deepest of group. TE's were all juniors..Rudolph also had the best senior based in WR Core with 3 in Washington,Ateman,Lacy
3. Darnold--Spread Offense..second weakest OL of group with 1 senior C,3 juniors with a freshman at LG.Fair WR core with Burnett leading way with 86 catches/1114 yards..RB Jones only caught 14 balls, so Darnold's not looking to dink down the field.
4. Rosen--Spread Offense..OL had Senior at C/LG.Junior at LT. Right side Freshman & Solpmore maybe weakest of group leading to concussion hits? Fair running game. Also Rosen could spread the ball around to young WR Core with one great Junior in Lashley with 69 catches for 1264 yards...
^^^for what it's worth..#teamDorseyWolfeHunt
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