Nice Article/Interview for Baker Mayfield Enthusiasts
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Two Words:
Big 12.
History says we are better off going FCS....or mid major. Or Big Ten/Pac 10/SEC.
I'm not wild about the Big 12 and how little it contests passers/receivers - but I am wild about the QB. He beat Ohio State AT Ohio State and then he scored 48 points on UGA in a double OT loss. While we're at it here - you are aware the Mason Rudolph you are most fond of also played in the Big 12 right?
There was a trend once upon a time that concluded don't draft a Tedford System QB. Then 1 day the Green Bay Packers dared to challenge the trend and drafted themselves Aaron Rodgers at #24 overall. Sometimes it takes balls to win.
Before that, another trend said don't fall for the BYU system QB when guys like Gifford Nielson, Marc Wilson, Ty Detmer, Robbie Boscoe and others never panned out or found a better niche than backup QB. But Jim McMahon and Steve Young were 2 QBs bucked such a trend. They became Superbowl Winning QBs that made NFL Pro Bowls as well
There was a time when NFL Teams and scouts were wary of drafting a Veer Option QB. And then Brett Favre and Donovan McNabb came along and made countless Pro Bowls via leading their teams to numerous post seasons and the Superbowl. Favre's backup of 9 years at Green Bay sure liked using that RPO with his Championship Winning QB this year.
Manziel played in the SEC and that didn't do ski-wat for us.
You draft the player - not the school or the conference. As I said, the other QB I like just as much is Sam Darnold.
Manziel played in the SEC and that didn't do ski-wat for us.
You draft the player - not the school or the conference. As I said, the other QB I like just as much is Sam Darnold.
& OTOH, just because a guy is from a power 5 school other than Big 12, doesn't mean he's any less of a risk. Between Carson Palmer and Sam Darnold, USC churned out notable busts like Matt Leinart and Mark Sanchez,
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Manziel played in the SEC and that didn't do ski-wat for us.
You draft the player - not the school or the conference. As I said, the other QB I like just as much is Sam Darnold.
& OTOH, just because a guy is from a power 5 school other than Big 12, doesn't mean he's any less of a risk. Between Carson Palmer and Sam Darnold, USC churned out notable busts like Matt Leinart and Mark Sanchez,
& OTOH, just because a guy is from a power 5 school other than Big 12, doesn't mean he's any less of a risk. Between Carson Palmer and Sam Darnold, USC churned out notable busts like Matt Leinart and Mark Sanchez,
Not to mention guys like Jake Locker, Ryan Leaf, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, Kyle Boller, and Todd Marijuanavich also came out of the Pac 12. None of them became as good as Troy Aikman. You draft the player - not the conference.
And just because Notre Dame's Joe Montana and Joe Theisman became great NFL QBs - that didn't mean Brady Quinn, Rick Mirer and DeShone Kizer would be great QBs too. You draft the player - not the school.
Just because the U QBs like Jim Kelly, Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde all became solid-great NFL starters - it never meant or guaranteed Craig Erickson, Gino Toretta, Steve Walsh, and Ken Dorsey would be just as good.
Bob Griese and Drew Brees succeeding in the NFL after Purdue never meant Mike Phipps and Kyle Orton would as well.
Speaking of conferences, it wasn't like the one Carson Wentz came out of was stock-piling the NFL right?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Two Words:
Big 12.
History says we are better off going FCS....or mid major. Or Big Ten/Pac 10/SEC.
I'm not wild about the Big 12 and how little it contests passers/receivers - but I am wild about the QB. He beat Ohio State AT Ohio State and then he scored 48 points on UGA in a double OT loss. While we're at it here - you are aware the Mason Rudolph you are most fond of also played in the Big 12 right?
There was a trend once upon a time that concluded don't draft a Tedford System QB. Then 1 day the Green Bay Packers dared to challenge the trend and drafted themselves Aaron Rodgers at #24 overall. Sometimes it takes balls to win.
Before that, another trend said don't fall for the BYU system QB when guys like Gifford Nielson, Marc Wilson, Ty Detmer, Robbie Boscoe and others never panned out or found a better niche than backup QB. But Jim McMahon and Steve Young were 2 QBs bucked such a trend. They became Superbowl Winning QBs that made NFL Pro Bowls as well
There was a time when NFL Teams and scouts were wary of drafting a Veer Option QB. And then Brett Favre and Donovan McNabb came along and made countless Pro Bowls via leading their teams to numerous post seasons and the Superbowl. Favre's backup of 9 years at Green Bay sure liked using that RPO with his Championship Winning QB this year.
Manziel played in the SEC and that didn't do ski-wat for us.
You draft the player - not the school or the conference. As I said, the other QB I like just as much is Sam Darnold.
I'm not wild about the Big 12 and how little it contests passers/receivers - but I am wild about the QB. He beat Ohio State AT Ohio State and then he scored 48 points on UGA in a double OT loss. While we're at it here - you are aware the Mason Rudolph you are most fond of also played in the Big 12 right?
There was a trend once upon a time that concluded don't draft a Tedford System QB. Then 1 day the Green Bay Packers dared to challenge the trend and drafted themselves Aaron Rodgers at #24 overall. Sometimes it takes balls to win.
Before that, another trend said don't fall for the BYU system QB when guys like Gifford Nielson, Marc Wilson, Ty Detmer, Robbie Boscoe and others never panned out or found a better niche than backup QB. But Jim McMahon and Steve Young were 2 QBs bucked such a trend. They became Superbowl Winning QBs that made NFL Pro Bowls as well
There was a time when NFL Teams and scouts were wary of drafting a Veer Option QB. And then Brett Favre and Donovan McNabb came along and made countless Pro Bowls via leading their teams to numerous post seasons and the Superbowl. Favre's backup of 9 years at Green Bay sure liked using that RPO with his Championship Winning QB this year.
Manziel played in the SEC and that didn't do ski-wat for us.
You draft the player - not the school or the conference. As I said, the other QB I like just as much is Sam Darnold.
Um, yea, fair point. But....
At some point in time...sure, some Big 12 QB has to break that conferences trend of not producing very good QBs. Maybe Doolin' Dalton has done it a bit. Maybe Mahomes can. Maybe Mayfield can. But: Vince Young couldn't, Colt couldn't. RGIII couldn't ultimately. Bradford really couldn't. They were all pretty much rated as highly as Mayfield. Those guys have a collection of 2-3 Heisman's. Throw Jason White in there.
But its just terrible to have to go back to the likes of Bobby Layne, Sammy Baugh, John Hadl to find a decent B12 QB. Teams have more success with the "smaller schools" than they have had with Big 12 schools. Derek Carr, BR, Wentz, Flacco, maybe Garropolo if he becomes all that.etc. all smaller schools.
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I'm not wild about the Big 12 and how little it contests passers/receivers - but I am wild about the QB. He beat Ohio State AT Ohio State and then he scored 48 points on UGA in a double OT loss. While we're at it here - you are aware the Mason Rudolph you are most fond of also played in the Big 12 right?
There was a trend once upon a time that concluded don't draft a Tedford System QB. Then 1 day the Green Bay Packers dared to challenge the trend and drafted themselves Aaron Rodgers at #24 overall. Sometimes it takes balls to win.
Before that, another trend said don't fall for the BYU system QB when guys like Gifford Nielson, Marc Wilson, Ty Detmer, Robbie Boscoe and others never panned out or found a better niche than backup QB. But Jim McMahon and Steve Young were 2 QBs bucked such a trend. They became Superbowl Winning QBs that made NFL Pro Bowls as well
There was a time when NFL Teams and scouts were wary of drafting a Veer Option QB. And then Brett Favre and Donovan McNabb came along and made countless Pro Bowls via leading their teams to numerous post seasons and the Superbowl. Favre's backup of 9 years at Green Bay sure liked using that RPO with his Championship Winning QB this year.
Manziel played in the SEC and that didn't do ski-wat for us.
You draft the player - not the school or the conference. As I said, the other QB I like just as much is Sam Darnold.
Um, yea, fair point. But....
At some point in time...sure, some Big 12 QB has to break that conferences trend of not producing very good QBs. Maybe Doolin' Dalton has done it a bit. Maybe Mahomes can. Maybe Mayfield can. But: Vince Young couldn't, Colt couldn't. RGIII couldn't ultimately. Bradford really couldn't. They were all pretty much rated as highly as Mayfield. Those guys have a collection of 2-3 Heisman's. Throw Jason White in there.
But its just terrible to have to go back to the likes of Bobby Layne, Sammy Baugh, John Hadl to find a decent B12 QB. Teams have more success with the "smaller schools" than they have had with Big 12 schools. Derek Carr, BR, Wentz, Flacco, maybe Garropolo if he becomes all that.etc. all smaller schools.
Um, yea, fair point. But....
At some point in time...sure, some Big 12 QB has to break that conferences trend of not producing very good QBs. Maybe Doolin' Dalton has done it a bit. Maybe Mahomes can. Maybe Mayfield can. But: Vince Young couldn't, Colt couldn't. RGIII couldn't ultimately. Bradford really couldn't. They were all pretty much rated as highly as Mayfield. Those guys have a collection of 2-3 Heisman's. Throw Jason White in there.
But its just terrible to have to go back to the likes of Bobby Layne, Sammy Baugh, John Hadl to find a decent B12 QB. Teams have more success with the "smaller schools" than they have had with Big 12 schools. Derek Carr, BR, Wentz, Flacco, maybe Garropolo if he becomes all that.etc. all smaller schools.
I still think you got to look at the player more than the school or conference. That's not to say I don't want to see how prospects did against the biggest challenges on their schedule.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
& OTOH, just because a guy is from a power 5 school other than Big 12, doesn't mean he's any less of a risk. Between Carson Palmer and Sam Darnold, USC churned out notable busts like Matt Leinart and Mark Sanchez,
Not to mention guys like Jake Locker, Ryan Leaf, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, Kyle Boller, and Todd Marijuanavich also came out of the Pac 12. None of them became as good as Troy Aikman. You draft the player - not the conference.
And just because Notre Dame's Joe Montana and Joe Theisman became great NFL QBs - that didn't mean Brady Quinn, Rick Mirer and DeShone Kizer would be great QBs too. You draft the player - not the school.
Just because the U QBs like Jim Kelly, Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde all became solid-great NFL starters - it never meant or guaranteed Craig Erickson, Gino Toretta, Steve Walsh, and Ken Dorsey would be just as good.
Bob Griese and Drew Brees succeeding in the NFL after Purdue never meant Mike Phipps and Kyle Orton would as well.
Speaking of conferences, it wasn't like the one Carson Wentz came out of was stock-piling the NFL right?
Not to mention guys like Jake Locker, Ryan Leaf, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, Kyle Boller, and Todd Marijuanavich also came out of the Pac 12. None of them became as good as Troy Aikman. You draft the player - not the conference.
And just because Notre Dame's Joe Montana and Joe Theisman became great NFL QBs - that didn't mean Brady Quinn, Rick Mirer and DeShone Kizer would be great QBs too. You draft the player - not the school.
Just because the U QBs like Jim Kelly, Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde all became solid-great NFL starters - it never meant or guaranteed Craig Erickson, Gino Toretta, Steve Walsh, and Ken Dorsey would be just as good.
Speaking of conferences, it wasn't like the one Carson Wentz came out of was stock-piling the NFL right?
Excellent post Tom! Now we just have to wait & see which player(s) Dorsey & Staff like. I can't wait for this draft!!!
Mike
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Um, yea, fair point. But....
At some point in time...sure, some Big 12 QB has to break that conferences trend of not producing very good QBs. Maybe Doolin' Dalton has done it a bit. Maybe Mahomes can. Maybe Mayfield can. But: Vince Young couldn't, Colt couldn't. RGIII couldn't ultimately. Bradford really couldn't. They were all pretty much rated as highly as Mayfield. Those guys have a collection of 2-3 Heisman's. Throw Jason White in there.
But its just terrible to have to go back to the likes of Bobby Layne, Sammy Baugh, John Hadl to find a decent B12 QB. Teams have more success with the "smaller schools" than they have had with Big 12 schools. Derek Carr, BR, Wentz, Flacco, maybe Garropolo if he becomes all that.etc. all smaller schools.
I still think you got to look at the player more than the school or conference. That's not to say I don't want to see how prospects did against the biggest challenges on their schedule.
I still think you got to look at the player more than the school or conference. That's not to say I don't want to see how prospects did against the biggest challenges on their schedule.
Problem is the lesser schools, you just don't get to see many (if any) of their games. Only got to see MIke White at the Senior Bowl. ESPN did us amateur scouts a favor showing a bunch of Josh Allen's games, since he's a highly regarded prospect in some corners..Unfortunately I didn't like what I saw. Watching Foles & Brady in the Super Bowl, I'm more convinced than ever having a rocket launcher arm is a plus, but not necessary for NFL success. Plenty of slow moving rainbows tossed by both QBs- the key there was they were accurate.
PS- Regarding the SB, there was an amazing stat I saw tonight on Fox Ohio's Red Zone. The Patriots didn't punt the entire game- and still lost.
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3 weeks until the combine. I like watching that. Usually have excellent commentary going on throughout, both about the history on players as well as their performances in the various events. Tues. Feb 27-Monday March 5.
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I still think you got to look at the player more than the school or conference. That's not to say I don't want to see how prospects did against the biggest challenges on their schedule.
Problem is the lesser schools, you just don't get to see many (if any) of their games. Only got to see MIke White at the Senior Bowl. ESPN did us amateur scouts a favor showing a bunch of Josh Allen's games, since he's a highly regarded prospect in some corners..Unfortunately I didn't like what I saw. Watching Foles & Brady in the Super Bowl, I'm more convinced than ever having a rocket launcher arm is a plus, but not necessary for NFL success. Plenty of slow moving rainbows tossed by both QBs- the key there was they were accurate.
PS- Regarding the SB, there was an amazing stat I saw tonight on Fox Ohio's Red Zone. The Patriots didn't punt the entire game- and still lost.
Problem is the lesser schools, you just don't get to see many (if any) of their games. Only got to see MIke White at the Senior Bowl. ESPN did us amateur scouts a favor showing a bunch of Josh Allen's games, since he's a highly regarded prospect in some corners..Unfortunately I didn't like what I saw. Watching Foles & Brady in the Super Bowl, I'm more convinced than ever having a rocket launcher arm is a plus, but not necessary for NFL success. Plenty of slow moving rainbows tossed by both QBs- the key there was they were accurate.
And played in a Dome
..Imagine Brady's numbers if half his games were in a dome. Brees & C. Keenum dropped many dimes in that same dome 2 weeks ago..Not many good numbers on Keenum outdoors. Strafford & Ryan maybe the best that can take some off to drop ball in from dome to outdoors? If ya like Mike White watch some tape on Luke Falk. Reminds me of Nick Foles running RPO's
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& OTOH, just because a guy is from a power 5 school other than Big 12, doesn't mean he's any less of a risk. Between Carson Palmer and Sam Darnold, USC churned out notable busts like Matt Leinart and Mark Sanchez,
Not to mention guys like Jake Locker, Ryan Leaf, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, Kyle Boller, and Todd Marijuanavich also came out of the Pac 12. None of them became as good as Troy Aikman. You draft the player - not the conference.
And just because Notre Dame's Joe Montana and Joe Theisman became great NFL QBs - that didn't mean Brady Quinn, Rick Mirer and DeShone Kizer would be great QBs too. You draft the player - not the school.
Just because the U QBs like Jim Kelly, Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde all became solid-great NFL starters - it never meant or guaranteed Craig Erickson, Gino Toretta, Steve Walsh, and Ken Dorsey would be just as good.
Bob Griese and Drew Brees succeeding in the NFL after Purdue never meant Mike Phipps and Kyle Orton would as well.
Speaking of conferences, it wasn't like the one Carson Wentz came out of was stock-piling the NFL right?
Not to mention guys like Jake Locker, Ryan Leaf, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, Kyle Boller, and Todd Marijuanavich also came out of the Pac 12. None of them became as good as Troy Aikman. You draft the player - not the conference.
And just because Notre Dame's Joe Montana and Joe Theisman became great NFL QBs - that didn't mean Brady Quinn, Rick Mirer and DeShone Kizer would be great QBs too. You draft the player - not the school.
Just because the U QBs like Jim Kelly, Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde all became solid-great NFL starters - it never meant or guaranteed Craig Erickson, Gino Toretta, Steve Walsh, and Ken Dorsey would be just as good.
Bob Griese and Drew Brees succeeding in the NFL after Purdue never meant Mike Phipps and Kyle Orton would as well.
Speaking of conferences, it wasn't like the one Carson Wentz came out of was stock-piling the NFL right?
Hey, common now, BQ could've been a contender.....
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Um, yea, fair point. But....
At some point in time...sure, some Big 12 QB has to break that conferences trend of not producing very good QBs. Maybe Doolin' Dalton has done it a bit. Maybe Mahomes can. Maybe Mayfield can. But: Vince Young couldn't, Colt couldn't. RGIII couldn't ultimately. Bradford really couldn't. They were all pretty much rated as highly as Mayfield. Those guys have a collection of 2-3 Heisman's. Throw Jason White in there.
But its just terrible to have to go back to the likes of Bobby Layne, Sammy Baugh, John Hadl to find a decent B12 QB. Teams have more success with the "smaller schools" than they have had with Big 12 schools. Derek Carr, BR, Wentz, Flacco, maybe Garropolo if he becomes all that.etc. all smaller schools.
I still think you got to look at the player more than the school or conference. That's not to say I don't want to see how prospects did against the biggest challenges on their schedule.
I still think you got to look at the player more than the school or conference. That's not to say I don't want to see how prospects did against the biggest challenges on their schedule.
Sure...you can look at the player...not the conference.....but when you have SO many QBs from the same conference become abject failures in this league.....there must be a reason.
So...can you explain it?
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I still think you got to look at the player more than the school or conference. That's not to say I don't want to see how prospects did against the biggest challenges on their schedule.
Sure...you can look at the player...not the conference.....but when you have SO many QBs from the same conference become abject failures in this league.....there must be a reason.
So...can you explain it?
Sure...you can look at the player...not the conference.....but when you have SO many QBs from the same conference become abject failures in this league.....there must be a reason.
So...can you explain it?
It would take some doing to correlate starting NFL QBs by conference. A lot of the Big 12 flops never had me saying, wow, this guy looks like a potentially great NFL QB. Bradford may have made it to that level if he wasn't always hurt. Aikman started in the Big 12 before he transferred.
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Sure...you can look at the player...not the conference.....but when you have SO many QBs from the same conference become abject failures in this league.....there must be a reason.
So...can you explain it?
It would take some doing to correlate starting NFL QBs by conference. A lot of the Big 12 flops never had me saying, wow, this guy looks like a potentially great NFL QB. Bradford may have made it to that level if he wasn't always hurt. Aikman started in the Big 12 before he transferred.
It would take some doing to correlate starting NFL QBs by conference. A lot of the Big 12 flops never had me saying, wow, this guy looks like a potentially great NFL QB. Bradford may have made it to that level if he wasn't always hurt. Aikman started in the Big 12 before he transferred.
It was probably still The Big 8 when Aikman was there.
I think, maybe, that the reason that Aikman left OK is part of the reason that the Big 12 does not produce good NFL QBs. Aikman WAS a top NFL prospect....but the style of play in that conference was...and has not so much, been conducive to a pocket passer. The wide open spread type offenses just do not train QBs for the NFL.
Maybe a bit has changed. As noted....Dalton has had some success. And...to my mind...I think that it is highly possible that a Mason Rudolph....more of a pocket passer....could have more NFL success than Baker Mayfield. We shall see.
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It would take some doing to correlate starting NFL QBs by conference. A lot of the Big 12 flops never had me saying, wow, this guy looks like a potentially great NFL QB. Bradford may have made it to that level if he wasn't always hurt. Aikman started in the Big 12 before he transferred.
It was probably still The Big 8 when Aikman was there.
I think, maybe, that the reason that Aikman left OK is part of the reason that the Big 12 does not produce good NFL QBs. Aikman WAS a top NFL prospect....but the style of play in that conference was...and has not so much, been conducive to a pocket passer. The wide open spread type offenses just do not train QBs for the NFL.
Maybe a bit has changed. As noted....Dalton has had some success. And...to my mind...I think that it is highly possible that a Mason Rudolph....more of a pocket passer....could have more NFL success than Baker Mayfield. We shall see.
It was probably still The Big 8 when Aikman was there.
I think, maybe, that the reason that Aikman left OK is part of the reason that the Big 12 does not produce good NFL QBs. Aikman WAS a top NFL prospect....but the style of play in that conference was...and has not so much, been conducive to a pocket passer. The wide open spread type offenses just do not train QBs for the NFL.
Maybe a bit has changed. As noted....Dalton has had some success. And...to my mind...I think that it is highly possible that a Mason Rudolph....more of a pocket passer....could have more NFL success than Baker Mayfield. We shall see.
True Rudolph is more of a pocket passer, but has far more flaws in his game than Mayfield. I've noted Mason is extremely well spoken in his interview at the Senior Bowl. I will dang guarantee you Baker will go off the board long before Mason does..
BTW, that CBS Mock that you were loving on has dropped Rudolph from #1 down to #21- Buffalo. They have Mayfield going #6 to the Jets, but if Denver doesn't land Cousins- he doesn't drop farther than #5, I've been saying for weeks the Colts are open for business and will listen to any offers for their #3 if anyone want to trade up for a QB. They have the Browns drafting Darnold #1- which I can get behind, They have us taking Joshua Jackson at #4, and that's the first time I've seen him going that thigh. Walter Football does have him rated as the #1 CB prospect, and Lord knows we need some help there. PS- Po is going to be so disappointed his bestest ever RB drops to #9 to San Fran.
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Short and a Big 12 QB. The only thing that could make it worse would be off the fie....
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He would embrace being the number 1 pick? No way. How nice of him.
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It was probably still The Big 8 when Aikman was there.
I think, maybe, that the reason that Aikman left OK is part of the reason that the Big 12 does not produce good NFL QBs. Aikman WAS a top NFL prospect....but the style of play in that conference was...and has not so much, been conducive to a pocket passer. The wide open spread type offenses just do not train QBs for the NFL.
Maybe a bit has changed. As noted....Dalton has had some success. And...to my mind...I think that it is highly possible that a Mason Rudolph....more of a pocket passer....could have more NFL success than Baker Mayfield. We shall see.
True Rudolph is more of a pocket passer, but has far more flaws in his game than Mayfield. I've noted Mason is extremely well spoken in his interview at the Senior Bowl. I will dang guarantee you Baker will go off the board long before Mason does..
BTW, that CBS Mock that you were loving on has dropped Rudolph from #1 down to #21- Buffalo. They have Mayfield going #6 to the Jets, but if Denver doesn't land Cousins- he doesn't drop farther than #5, I've been saying for weeks the Colts are open for business and will listen to any offers for their #3 if anyone want to trade up for a QB. They have the Browns drafting Darnold #1- which I can get behind, They have us taking Joshua Jackson at #4, and that's the first time I've seen him going that thigh. Walter Football does have him rated as the #1 CB prospect, and Lord knows we need some help there. PS- Po is going to be so disappointed his bestest ever RB drops to #9 to San Fran.
True Rudolph is more of a pocket passer, but has far more flaws in his game than Mayfield. I've noted Mason is extremely well spoken in his interview at the Senior Bowl. I will dang guarantee you Baker will go off the board long before Mason does..
I don't know that he has more flaws. What are those flaws? While maybe Mayfield may go off the board before Rudolph....that does not mean he will be a better pro QB than Rudolph.
BTW, that CBS Mock that you were loving on has dropped Rudolph from #1 down to #21- Buffalo. They have Mayfield going #6 to the Jets
See...this is where even YOU have to learn the difference between a talent ranking and a mock draft. Mock drafts are designed to predict what NFL teams will do in the draft....NOT what the best talent is. A whole lotta rankings have Barkley as the best talent in this draft....but very few mock him to the Browns. Mocks are projections of what the person making it thinks what a team WILL do...not what they SHOULD do.
, but if Denver doesn't land Cousins- he doesn't drop farther than #5, I've been saying for weeks the Colts are open for business and will listen to any offers for their #3 if anyone want to trade up for a QB. They have the Browns drafting Darnold #1- which I can get behind, They have us taking Joshua Jackson at #4, and that's the first time I've seen him going that thigh. Walter Football does have him rated as the #1 CB prospect, and Lord knows we need some help there. PS- Po is going to be so disappointed his bestest ever RB drops to #9 to San Fran.
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True Rudolph is more of a pocket passer, but has far more flaws in his game than Mayfield. I've noted Mason is extremely well spoken in his interview at the Senior Bowl. I will dang guarantee you Baker will go off the board long before Mason does..
I don't know that he has more flaws. What are those flaws? While maybe Mayfield may go off the board before Rudolph....that does not mean he will be a better pro QB than Rudolph.
BTW, that CBS Mock that you were loving on has dropped Rudolph from #1 down to #21- Buffalo. They have Mayfield going #6 to the Jets
See...this is where even YOU have to learn the difference between a talent ranking and a mock draft. Mock drafts are designed to predict what NFL teams will do in the draft....NOT what the best talent is. A whole lotta rankings have Barkley as the best talent in this draft....but very few mock him to the Browns. Mocks are projections of what the person making it thinks what a team WILL do...not what they SHOULD do.
, but if Denver doesn't land Cousins- he doesn't drop farther than #5, I've been saying for weeks the Colts are open for business and will listen to any offers for their #3 if anyone want to trade up for a QB. They have the Browns drafting Darnold #1- which I can get behind, They have us taking Joshua Jackson at #4, and that's the first time I've seen him going that thigh. Walter Football does have him rated as the #1 CB prospect, and Lord knows we need some help there. PS- Po is going to be so disappointed his bestest ever RB drops to #9 to San Fran.
See...this is where even YOU have to learn the difference between a talent ranking and a mock draft. Mock drafts are designed to predict what NFL teams will do in the draft....NOT what the best talent is. A whole lotta rankings have Barkley as the best talent in this draft....but very few mock him to the Browns. Mocks are projections of what the person making it thinks what a team WILL do...not what they SHOULD do.
Yada, yada. I KNOW. Walter Football has Rudolph ranked as the #7th Qb, some scouts Walt talked to have him as a day three prospect. NFL.com ditto, 7th ranked QB prospect. Jeremiah doesn't even have Rudolph in his top 50 prospects (all positions). If you want to think we should draft Rudolph in the top 4, that's going to be a very minority opinion.
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It would take some doing to correlate starting NFL QBs by conference. A lot of the Big 12 flops never had me saying, wow, this guy looks like a potentially great NFL QB. Bradford may have made it to that level if he wasn't always hurt. Aikman started in the Big 12 before he transferred.
It was probably still The Big 8 when Aikman was there.
I think, maybe, that the reason that Aikman left OK is part of the reason that the Big 12 does not produce good NFL QBs. Aikman WAS a top NFL prospect....but the style of play in that conference was...and has not so much, been conducive to a pocket passer. The wide open spread type offenses just do not train QBs for the NFL.
Maybe a bit has changed. As noted....Dalton has had some success. And...to my mind...I think that it is highly possible that a Mason Rudolph....more of a pocket passer....could have more NFL success than Baker Mayfield. We shall see.
It was probably still The Big 8 when Aikman was there.
I think, maybe, that the reason that Aikman left OK is part of the reason that the Big 12 does not produce good NFL QBs. Aikman WAS a top NFL prospect....but the style of play in that conference was...and has not so much, been conducive to a pocket passer. The wide open spread type offenses just do not train QBs for the NFL.
Maybe a bit has changed. As noted....Dalton has had some success. And...to my mind...I think that it is highly possible that a Mason Rudolph....more of a pocket passer....could have more NFL success than Baker Mayfield. We shall see.
How many star QBs did Syracuse and Pitt put in the NFL prior to McNabb and Marino? And how about So Miss before Favre? And Alcorn State before Steve McNair? And how about Miami of Ohio before Ben Rapen? Wisconsin before Russell Wilson (who transferred to Wisconsin)?
The problem I see in college football is the type of offenses QBs are being trained in haven't always been compatible to many NFL Offenses/Coaching Staffs/Systems/etc. The ones that are willing to utilize some of the offenses these kids come from seem to get more out of a Cam Newton or take your pick of an example.
We don't have time to get into detail. You just have to watch the QB enough to make a confident prediction. Some guys take time like Drew Drew Brees. After his 3rd year wth SD sporting the worst NFL record - they used their #1 overall pick on a QB. The rookie QB held out and Brees went 12-4 and made the Pro Bowl. Not everyone emerges at the same rate depending on what they have to overcome in learning curve and surrounding talent, etc.
Mayfield isn't going to be for everyone in here as you can see.
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It was probably still The Big 8 when Aikman was there.
I think, maybe, that the reason that Aikman left OK is part of the reason that the Big 12 does not produce good NFL QBs. Aikman WAS a top NFL prospect....but the style of play in that conference was...and has not so much, been conducive to a pocket passer. The wide open spread type offenses just do not train QBs for the NFL.
Maybe a bit has changed. As noted....Dalton has had some success. And...to my mind...I think that it is highly possible that a Mason Rudolph....more of a pocket passer....could have more NFL success than Baker Mayfield. We shall see.
How many star QBs did Syracuse and Pitt put in the NFL prior to McNabb and Marino? And how about So Miss before Favre? And Alcorn State before Steve McNair? And how about Miami of Ohio before Ben Rapen? Wisconsin before Russell Wilson (who transferred to Wisconsin)?
The problem I see in college football is the type of offenses QBs are being trained in haven't always been compatible to many NFL Offenses/Coaching Staffs/Systems/etc. The ones that are willing to utilize some of the offenses these kids come from seem to get more out of a Cam Newton or take your pick of an example.
We don't have time to get into detail. You just have to watch the QB enough to make a confident prediction. Some guys take time like Drew Drew Brees. After his 3rd year wth SD sporting the worst NFL record - they used their #1 overall pick on a QB. The rookie QB held out and Brees went 12-4 and made the Pro Bowl. Not everyone emerges at the same rate depending on what they have to overcome in learning curve and surrounding talent, etc.
Mayfield isn't going to be for everyone in here as you can see.
How many star QBs did Syracuse and Pitt put in the NFL prior to McNabb and Marino? And how about So Miss before Favre? And Alcorn State before Steve McNair? And how about Miami of Ohio before Ben Rapen? Wisconsin before Russell Wilson (who transferred to Wisconsin)?
The problem I see in college football is the type of offenses QBs are being trained in haven't always been compatible to many NFL Offenses/Coaching Staffs/Systems/etc. The ones that are willing to utilize some of the offenses these kids come from seem to get more out of a Cam Newton or take your pick of an example.
We don't have time to get into detail. You just have to watch the QB enough to make a confident prediction. Some guys take time like Drew Drew Brees. After his 3rd year wth SD sporting the worst NFL record - they used their #1 overall pick on a QB. The rookie QB held out and Brees went 12-4 and made the Pro Bowl. Not everyone emerges at the same rate depending on what they have to overcome in learning curve and surrounding talent, etc.
Mayfield isn't going to be for everyone in here as you can see.
Yea what he said!! Baker Mayfield ?????????????????????????????
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