Garrett Top Rookie Edge Defender, #12 Overall
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Why though did it seem that he had very little impact on the games he played in? That is my eyeball examination anyway. The one big impact play he made got overturned unfortunately.
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Why though did it seem that he had very little impact on the games he played in? That is my eyeball examination anyway. The one big impact play he made got overturned unfortunately.
Why though did it seem that he had very little impact on the games he played in? That is my eyeball examination anyway. The one big impact play he made got overturned unfortunately.
Von Miller gets about 2-3 impact plays per game and only a few turn into game changers. But he does cause disruption in terms of number of people occupied in keeping him neutralized. Without Ware on the other end though, that became easier to do even though Miller is the same player. Without at least Ogbah, Garrett by himself can be no more effective than Miller was in 2017. Let's see how they do when both are healthy at the same time and a viable alternative in the rotation not named Orchard is added to the mix.
EDIT: Also look at how quickly the ball was out of the hands of opposing QBs against the Browns, often times just before Garrett arrived. With better DBs more of those will turn into game changers either through sacks, throwaways or ints.
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Well, in legal circles there was/is this law called The Rule Against Perpetutities. Its primary purpose was to prohibit someone from trying to govern the distribution of his wealth for too lengthy a period after his death. (very complex...but generally it prohibited control to a "life in being plus 21 years).
If a bequest violated the Rule Against Perpetuities, then the attempt to control that wealth could be declared void ab initio.
So, Now it seem the bequest to us all of a distribution of a playing Browns team must not have violate the Rule Against Perpetuties. They have been perpetually awful...and may be for a 21 year period. When hopefully the Shmucking dead hand of Art Modell and his curse lets go. We are now in the 20th year of that curse that is ruling us from the Grave. (In Modell's case.....we are talking about when he was dead to us...not when he physically died)
But there was also another variant to this rule: the Wait and See factor. It said that, no, the bequest is not void ab initio even if it appears to violate the rule, but that a Wait and See Approach would be utilized.
So...for Garrett....I think we are all living under the Wait and See Variant. So far, as far as I am concerned, we have NOT seen him have an impact. We/I are in Wait and See Mode on Garrett. I am waiting and I better damn well see more impact from him in the future.
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LOL! ^^^^ Wait 'til next season?(Cliff Notes version).
LOL! ^^^^ Wait 'til next season?(Cliff Notes version).
I do expect vast improvements. Like Woody with Peppers, were here hold all you Aggie faggies personally responsible for his performance
You completely let us down before.....so you got some serious redemption mandates going for you.
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LOL! ^^^^ Wait 'til next season?(Cliff Notes version).
I do expect vast improvements. Like Woody with Peppers, were here hold all you Aggie faggies personally responsible for his performance
You completely let us down before.....so you got some serious redemption mandates going for you.
I do expect vast improvements. Like Woody with Peppers, were here hold all you Aggie faggies personally responsible for his performance
You completely let us down before.....so you got some serious redemption mandates going for you.
JFF is ready for a return engagement #secondchance2018
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Interesting how high nassib ranks in run stop percentage of edge defenders. Though it should be expected at 6'7.
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I do expect vast improvements. Like Woody with Peppers, were here hold all you Aggie faggies personally responsible for his performance
You completely let us down before.....so you got some serious redemption mandates going for you.
JFF is ready for a return engagement #secondchance2018
JFF is ready for a return engagement #secondchance2018
No.....all that is left to be done with the JFF situation is for you and wargo et al....to commit corporal mortification over that situation. and pray to God that you don't have to do it again. So you guys had better get it over from your first sin against God....before another one ends up in your ledger.
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Just goes to prove how analytics are worthless, let your own eyes be the judge. Not one game changing play all season. Lets hope for our sake he has a break out 2nd season. First hurdle will be getting through training camp without getting injured.
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JFF is ready for a return engagement #secondchance2018
No.....all that is left to be done with the JFF situation is for you and wargo et al....to commit corporal mortification over that situation. and pray to God that you don't have to do it again. So you guys had better get it over from your first sin against God....before another one ends up in your ledger.
No.....all that is left to be done with the JFF situation is for you and wargo et al....to commit corporal mortification over that situation. and pray to God that you don't have to do it again. So you guys had better get it over from your first sin against God....before another one ends up in your ledger.
You forget I was the one who first brought attention to Garrett as a good pick for the Browns. I double downed on that pick to make up for JFF. Keel haul might be the only punishment that fits the crime if he fails me too. Yo ho ho and a bottle of Diplomatica.
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Just goes to prove how analytics are worthless, let your own eyes be the judge. Not one game changing play all season. Lets hope for our sake he has a break out 2nd season. First hurdle will be getting through training camp without getting injured.
Not one game changing play all season.
...a few things:
Injuries stunted his growth in training camp, then preseason, and during the season. (I've got a bad feeling that injuries are going to be a problem with him)
He's a rookie.
He's one of the eleven guys that tackle people. Very rare that you come across a guy that can control a game on defense. His team went 0-16 for a reason...he personally was not going to win games for us. We needed a game changing player on offense. A competent QB could've won us a few games.
hijack to Kizer - I'm blaming Kizer. And we're all blaming Kizer. He gave it to the other team most of the few times that we got in the red zone. But sadly, it's NOT fair to blame poor Kizer. College QB's come into the league now knowing NOTHING of what it's like to run an NFL offense. They've never spit out a play in a huddle all through college. They're never under center, always in a spread. - He was never supposed to play last year. He just got caught up in a situation where the looney toons that were in charge of the QB position let McCown go and went into the season with Kizer and 2 second year guys who'd neither had ever won an NFL game. Kizer almost won the job by default. (the poor kid) - Kizer DID at times look bad though...I mean some really bad (inaccurate) passes...but even THAT could've been from things just moving very fast for him. As has been said before, other great QB's have been quite bad in their rookie seasons. Kizer deserves a roster spot next year and a chance to progress...but we should STILL draft a QB #1 overall and find a veteran to play now. I like Sam Bradford, but he's brittle...but then, tough as nails McCown is always injured too.
hijack over - If he doesn't get hurt again, Myles should improve a bit in his second year. If we can get him help on the other side and someone so that Peppers can play where he SHOULD be playing, the D could take some steps up the charts of team defense.
I've talked about a couple of things here; Pass and Rush The Passer. That's the nutshell of today's NFL. Last year they drafted the 'Rush The Passer' guy. He couldn't get us a single win. Now, we need the 'Pass' guy.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Just goes to prove how analytics are worthless, let your own eyes be the judge. Not one game changing play all season. Lets hope for our sake he has a break out 2nd season. First hurdle will be getting through training camp without getting injured.
Just goes to prove how analytics are worthless, let your own eyes be the judge. Not one game changing play all season. Lets hope for our sake he has a break out 2nd season. First hurdle will be getting through training camp without getting injured.
Fair statement.
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No.....all that is left to be done with the JFF situation is for you and wargo et al....to commit corporal mortification over that situation. and pray to God that you don't have to do it again. So you guys had better get it over from your first sin against God....before another one ends up in your ledger.
You forget I was the one who first brought attention to Garrett as a good pick for the Browns. I double downed on that pick to make up for JFF. Keel haul might be the only punishment that fits the crime if he fails me too. Yo ho ho and a bottle of Diplomatica.
You forget I was the one who first brought attention to Garrett as a good pick for the Browns. I double downed on that pick to make up for JFF. Keel haul might be the only punishment that fits the crime if he fails me too. Yo ho ho and a bottle of Diplomatica.
Yea....we KNOW....you are the Chairman of the Aggie Faggies for Gayrett team!
And sure, keelhauling may indeed be in order for you. And that is one nasty torture. Corporal Mortification would be better.
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He's one of the eleven guys that tackle people. Very rare that you come across a guy that can control a game on defense. His team went 0-16 for a reason...he personally was not going to win games for us. We needed a game changing player on offense. A competent QB could've won us a few games.
We need a game changing player on defense as well. Garrett did not provide that. Hopefully he will.
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Not one game changing play all season.
...a few things:
Injuries stunted his growth in training camp, then preseason, and during the season. (I've got a bad feeling that injuries are going to be a problem with him)
He's a rookie.
He's one of the eleven guys that tackle people. Very rare that you come across a guy that can control a game on defense. His team went 0-16 for a reason...he personally was not going to win games for us. We needed a game changing player on offense. A competent QB could've won us a few games.
hijack to Kizer - I'm blaming Kizer. And we're all blaming Kizer. He gave it to the other team most of the few times that we got in the red zone. But sadly, it's NOT fair to blame poor Kizer. College QB's come into the league now knowing NOTHING of what it's like to run an NFL offense. They've never spit out a play in a huddle all through college. They're never under center, always in a spread. - He was never supposed to play last year. He just got caught up in a situation where the looney toons that were in charge of the QB position let McCown go and went into the season with Kizer and 2 second year guys who'd neither had ever won an NFL game. Kizer almost won the job by default. (the poor kid) - Kizer DID at times look bad though...I mean some really bad (inaccurate) passes...but even THAT could've been from things just moving very fast for him. As has been said before, other great QB's have been quite bad in their rookie seasons. Kizer deserves a roster spot next year and a chance to progress...but we should STILL draft a QB #1 overall and find a veteran to play now. I like Sam Bradford, but he's brittle...but then, tough as nails McCown is always injured too.
hijack over - If he doesn't get hurt again, Myles should improve a bit in his second year. If we can get him help on the other side and someone so that Peppers can play where he SHOULD be playing, the D could take some steps up the charts of team defense.
I've talked about a couple of things here; Pass and Rush The Passer. That's the nutshell of today's NFL. Last year they drafted the 'Rush The Passer' guy. He couldn't get us a single win. Now, we need the 'Pass' guy.
He's one of the eleven guys that tackle people. Very rare that you come across a guy that can control a game on defense.
did you ever watch Joey Bosa play?
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did you ever watch Joey Bosa play?
A good DE can barrel into a QB and disrupt his game; two can take over a game. And it makes life easier for the DB and LB Corp; easy picks!
.......oh and help control the clock; get better field position and most importantly make the fans happy.
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Interesting how high nassib ranks in run stop percentage of edge defenders. Though it should be expected at 6'7.
Interesting how high nassib ranks in run stop percentage of edge defenders. Though it should be expected at 6'7.
Can you elaborate? I looked what I thought was a lot and couldn't find details.. perhaps you have an edge membership?
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Being a blitzing DE in the NFL is t its.
I think the average offensive snaps in the nfl is 65 a game. So if you play 80% of the snaps on defense that’s 52 snaps a game. So that’s 832 snaps a year. So be conservative and cut the 832 in half to account for passing plays vs running plays and you are at 416.
If you record 10 sacks a year your a great player. You get 15-20 and your a god and maxing our money... so if you hit home 4.8% of the time (that would be 20 sacks a year) your a hall of famer...
Way better than being a CB! Let one WR smoke you per game and your out on your butt!
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