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Foles and Luck are better than any QB in this draft or Cousins.

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  • @flugel said:

    He took the Colts to the AFC Championship Game in spite of a defense that only played 2 hand touch.  Not only that, I saw some stats that revealed he got hit more than any other QB; so he was pretty damn good considering the pounding he took.  

    The last QB that got pounded like Luck was Tim Couch.

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    @canton-dawg said:

    The last QB that got pounded like Luck was Tim Couch.

    It's kind of amazing that they won two games, one over pburgh by 1, he did get pounded which has to affect a Quarterback’s future.

    He did marry a Playboy PMOY from Akron of all places so all well that ends well.

  • @skippinturtles said:

    Brees was broken goods before he went to the Saints.  Foles went back home and is now a Philly legend.  Luck and Foles are special talent NFL QB's.

    Luck is a special talent when he's healthy. He's not even throwing a football yet. Some guys want to toss a couple first round picks or more to get him? Where did you get the "bargain Basement" from? You're not thinking. If the Colts are willing to part with Luck- it means- he's still hurt. 

    Foles isn't going anywhere with Wentz still on the mend. 

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    @hoorta said:

    Luck is a special talent when he's healthy. He's not even throwing a football yet. Some guys want to toss a couple first round picks or more to get him? Where did you get the "bargain Basement" from? You're not thinking. If the Colts are willing to part with Luck- it means- he's still hurt. 

    Foles isn't going anywhere with Wentz still on the mend. 

    Not if they are simply ready to blow it up and rebuild. If they are even a healthy Luck is their ticket to draft assets. 

  • @hoorta said:

    Luck is a special talent when he's healthy. He's not even throwing a football yet. Some guys want to toss a couple first round picks or more to get him? Where did you get the "bargain Basement" from? You're not thinking. If the Colts are willing to part with Luck- it means- he's still hurt. 

    Foles isn't going anywhere with Wentz still on the mend. 

    Not if they are simply ready to blow it up and rebuild. If they are even a healthy Luck is their ticket to draft assets. 

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    @jcam222 said:

    Not if they are simply ready to blow it up and rebuild. If they are even a healthy Luck is their ticket to draft assets. 

    Luck, shoulder, I don't think he'll ever be near 100% again we'll see. 

  • @jcam222 said:

    Not if they are simply ready to blow it up and rebuild. If they are even a healthy Luck is their ticket to draft assets. 

    Luck, shoulder, I don't think he'll ever be near 100% again we'll see. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @mjp28 said:

    Luck, shoulder, I don't think he'll ever be near 100% again we'll see. 

    See:  Tim Couch.   Never returned from shoulder issues.

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  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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    I've heard everything from Colts GM Chris Ballard, But.."the doctors botched A.Luck's shoulder surgery". But the Luck got a 2nd opinion or 3rd out of the USA.McDaniels screwing Ballard ended in a weird twist imo. Now Colts HC Frank Reich..Foles OC at Eagles..Rumors flow, Eagles may want a 1st round pick for Foles. Well the Eagles sit at #32 in 1st round with no 2nd or 3rd round picks. Colts would easily give Philly their 2nd round pick #36 for Foles.Colts have a 3rd(67) but Colts could also seal deal by giving 2nd round & flipping 4th's giving Eagles pick #100 for than Colts #130 or #132. All bets are off if Luck can throw the ball by now..but Luck tossing at this point is not throwing..I do wish Andrew, Luck..he's a great person behind the player 

  • @skippinturtles said:

    Making a pitch for either one is doing due diligence.  Luck was over-hyped entering the league.  Now he's bargain basement available.  Foles came into the league hot, struggled, and now seems like he's in his prime.

    Taking the worst team in the NFL to the playoffs in his rookie season.   

    Care to revise that statement?

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    @tiamat63 said:

    Taking the worst team in the NFL to the playoffs in his rookie season.   

    Care to revise that statement?

    The Colts beat 3 teams with a winning record that season. Once in the post season Luck $hit the bed like always. 

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2012.htm

    Also, Lucky had a 54.1% completion rate like Josh Allen the QB you all says sucks.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Taking the worst team in the NFL to the playoffs in his rookie season.   

    Care to revise that statement?

    The Colts beat 3 teams with a winning record that season. Once in the post season Luck $hit the bed like always. 

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2012.htm

    Also, Lucky had a 54.1% completion rate like Josh Allen the QB you all says sucks.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @boo-fagley said:

    The Colts beat 3 teams with a winning record that season. Once in the post season Luck $hit the bed like always. 

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2012.htm

    Also, Lucky had a 54.1% completion rate like Josh Allen the QB you all says sucks.

    He was a rookie that took the worst team in the NFL less than a calendar year previous - to the NFL playoffs.

    Also throwing at a 54% clip in the NFL... not against collegiate competition in a non-Power 5 conference.

    You good now? Or care to keep going?

  • @boo-fagley said:

    The Colts beat 3 teams with a winning record that season. Once in the post season Luck $hit the bed like always. 

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2012.htm

    Also, Lucky had a 54.1% completion rate like Josh Allen the QB you all says sucks.

    He was a rookie that took the worst team in the NFL less than a calendar year previous - to the NFL playoffs.

    Also throwing at a 54% clip in the NFL... not against collegiate competition in a non-Power 5 conference.

    You good now? Or care to keep going?

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    @tiamat63 said:

    He was a rookie that took the worst team in the NFL less than a calendar year previous - to the NFL playoffs.

    Also throwing at a 54% clip in the NFL... not against collegiate competition in a non-Power 5 conference.

    You good now? Or care to keep going?

    Somebody has to win the AFCS.

    Lucky has reaped the rewards of playing in a weak division, but that is over. No more cakewalk. Luck is a bust.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    He was a rookie that took the worst team in the NFL less than a calendar year previous - to the NFL playoffs.

    Also throwing at a 54% clip in the NFL... not against collegiate competition in a non-Power 5 conference.

    You good now? Or care to keep going?

    Somebody has to win the AFCS.

    Lucky has reaped the rewards of playing in a weak division, but that is over. No more cakewalk. Luck is a bust.

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    @boo-fagley said:

    Somebody has to win the AFCS.

    Lucky has reaped the rewards of playing in a weak division, but that is over. No more cakewalk. Luck is a bust.

    I'm starting to understand why you idolize Ghoolie so much. 

  • W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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    Remember when you're telling the grandchildren the Fable of Andrew Luck and the miracle turn around that the Colts were probably the ultimate sandbaggers in the league the previous season.

    WSS

  • @boo-fagley said:

    Somebody has to win the AFCS.

    Lucky has reaped the rewards of playing in a weak division, but that is over. No more cakewalk. Luck is a bust.

    I'm starting to understand why you idolize Ghoolie so much. 

    B boo fagley wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    I'm starting to understand why you idolize Ghoolie so much. 

    Luck sucks.

    Overrated and he will never get in a Super Bowl without buying a ticket. 

  • @boo-fagley said:

    Somebody has to win the AFCS.

    Lucky has reaped the rewards of playing in a weak division, but that is over. No more cakewalk. Luck is a bust.

    I'm starting to understand why you idolize Ghoolie so much. 

    B boo fagley wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    I'm starting to understand why you idolize Ghoolie so much. 

    Ghoolie is in 100% agreement with me on Luck.

    The deal on him is that you need to build a pro bowl team around him and he is always out of something. Void at RB,TE,WR the OL is no good, no defense, bad coach.

    Post season Luck  6 Games - 3 - 3 record with 9 tds, 12 ints, 56.5% completion rate. 1 game winning drive.

    2013 post season win KC had a 31 - 10 lead and blew it when Jamal Charles went out at halftime. 

    2014 post season win vs the Bungles. Imagine that.

    2014 win vs a broken down Peyton Manning whose arm was spent after 16 games.

    Stomped by Baltimore once and NE twice.

    After years of playing division patsies the gravy train is over for Luck with Tenn, Jax and Houston all becoming legitimate teams to win the AFCS. If Indy is in fact unloading Luck on some unsuspecting GM, its because they see the handwriting on the wall.

  • Remember when you're telling the grandchildren the Fable of Andrew Luck and the miracle turn around that the Colts were probably the ultimate sandbaggers in the league the previous season.

    WSS

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    @westside-steve said:

    Remember when you're telling the grandchildren the Fable of Andrew Luck and the miracle turn around that the Colts were probably the ultimate sandbaggers in the league the previous season.

    WSS

    It all backfired.

    They really took it in the shorts on this one.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I'm starting to understand why you idolize Ghoolie so much. 

    Ghoolie is in 100% agreement with me on Luck.

    The deal on him is that you need to build a pro bowl team around him and he is always out of something. Void at RB,TE,WR the OL is no good, no defense, bad coach.

    Post season Luck  6 Games - 3 - 3 record with 9 tds, 12 ints, 56.5% completion rate. 1 game winning drive.

    2013 post season win KC had a 31 - 10 lead and blew it when Jamal Charles went out at halftime. 

    2014 post season win vs the Bungles. Imagine that.

    2014 win vs a broken down Peyton Manning whose arm was spent after 16 games.

    Stomped by Baltimore once and NE twice.

    After years of playing division patsies the gravy train is over for Luck with Tenn, Jax and Houston all becoming legitimate teams to win the AFCS. If Indy is in fact unloading Luck on some unsuspecting GM, its because they see the handwriting on the wall.

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    @boo-fagley said:

    Ghoolie is in 100% agreement with me on Luck.

    Two turds in the same toilet.

    The deal on him is that you need to build a pro bowl team around him and he is always out of something. Void at RB,TE,WR the OL is no good, no defense, bad coach.

    Post season Luck  6 Games - 3 - 3 record with 9 tds, 12 ints, 56.5% completion rate. 1 game winning drive.

    A .500 post season record in 6 games is pretty damn good actually. 

    2013 post season win KC had a 31 - 10 lead and blew it when Jamal Charles went out at halftime. 

    He blew it?   Seems to me that with a 31-10 lead it was the defense that blew it.

    2014 post season win vs the Bungles. Imagine that.

    2014 win vs a broken down Peyton Manning whose arm was spent after 16 games.

    These tell me then that he beat playoff teams.

    Stomped by Baltimore once and NE twice.

    And these tell me that, OK, he got beat by perhaps the greatest QB of all time...and by teams that overall were much better than his team.  There are 22 starters on an NFL team...not just 1.

    After years of playing division patsies the gravy train is over for Luck with Tenn, Jax and Houston all becoming legitimate teams to win the AFCS. If Indy is in fact unloading Luck on some unsuspecting GM, its because they see the handwriting on the wall.

    Yes...these are now more legitimate TEAMS....the Colts are likely the worst overall team in that division....and may have been for a while.  Luck was the one factor that made them the best...without him....they suck. 

    Luck may be injured...it may even be a potential career ending injury...but that does not mean he was overrated at all when healthy.

  • @boo-fagley said:

    Somebody has to win the AFCS.

    Lucky has reaped the rewards of playing in a weak division, but that is over. No more cakewalk. Luck is a bust.

    I'm starting to understand why you idolize Ghoolie so much. 

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    I'm starting to understand why you idolize Ghoolie so much. 

    His butt is going on ignore too. 

  • @boo-fagley said:

    Ghoolie is in 100% agreement with me on Luck.

    Two turds in the same toilet.

    The deal on him is that you need to build a pro bowl team around him and he is always out of something. Void at RB,TE,WR the OL is no good, no defense, bad coach.

    Post season Luck  6 Games - 3 - 3 record with 9 tds, 12 ints, 56.5% completion rate. 1 game winning drive.

    A .500 post season record in 6 games is pretty damn good actually. 

    2013 post season win KC had a 31 - 10 lead and blew it when Jamal Charles went out at halftime. 

    He blew it?   Seems to me that with a 31-10 lead it was the defense that blew it.

    2014 post season win vs the Bungles. Imagine that.

    2014 win vs a broken down Peyton Manning whose arm was spent after 16 games.

    These tell me then that he beat playoff teams.

    Stomped by Baltimore once and NE twice.

    And these tell me that, OK, he got beat by perhaps the greatest QB of all time...and by teams that overall were much better than his team.  There are 22 starters on an NFL team...not just 1.

    After years of playing division patsies the gravy train is over for Luck with Tenn, Jax and Houston all becoming legitimate teams to win the AFCS. If Indy is in fact unloading Luck on some unsuspecting GM, its because they see the handwriting on the wall.

    Yes...these are now more legitimate TEAMS....the Colts are likely the worst overall team in that division....and may have been for a while.  Luck was the one factor that made them the best...without him....they suck. 

    Luck may be injured...it may even be a potential career ending injury...but that does not mean he was overrated at all when healthy.

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    @the-gipper said:

    That interval travel magazine has low standards.

    You did not watch the KC VS Indy game. Therefore, your opinion and comments are irrelevant.

  • Remember when you're telling the grandchildren the Fable of Andrew Luck and the miracle turn around that the Colts were probably the ultimate sandbaggers in the league the previous season.

    WSS

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @westside-steve said:

    Remember when you're telling the grandchildren the Fable of Andrew Luck and the miracle turn around that the Colts were probably the ultimate sandbaggers in the league the previous season.

    WSS

    Nah, the Colts were just that damn terrible before he showed up and had one year of Ok line and WR play then was ruined by Irsay. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    That interval travel magazine has low standards.

    You did not watch the KC VS Indy game. Therefore, your opinion and comments are irrelevant.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @boo-fagley said:

    That interval travel magazine has low standards.

    You did not watch the KC VS Indy game. Therefore, your opinion and comments are irrelevant.

    The only thing that has low standards is your presence on this board.

    I probably did watch that game...but about 100 other postseason games have been played since then, so I don't recall the details.  But just checking it out....you claim, apparently that that game is somehow a black mark against Luck.....yet, while KC was up by 31-10....it was Luck who brought the Colts back to win  45-44.  

    It was Luck who kicked KC's arse by leading that big come from behind victory.....yet you see that as a negative against Luck?  Jamal Charles didn't play defense for KC.   Maybe his presence could have helped the Chiefs control the ball...and win the game.....but it was still what Luck did in that comeback was the awesome part. 

    So...again...explain your stupid reasoning that that game somehow is a diminishment of Lucks ability?