The landry deal.....is there a browns tax?
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The meat and potatoes is in the fine print.
Sure there likely another bonus but only if Evans is on the team. Tampa will have an option to pick it up or not. Evans will be 28 in the 4th year of his contract before the regular season starts in September.
you clearly havent seen the reports on evans contract. The guaranteed money for the evans deal is 55 million. Evans is guaranteed to make at least 55 million from that contract regardless of when evans is cut.
thats the way many of these contracts are now. there is a signing bonus and a guarantee amount that are usually different.
For landry the numbers will be different than evans, because obviously evans is a much different reciever. But I wouldnt be surprised if we have to guarantee landry 38 million. which is a lot for a guy with his track record.
you clearly havent seen the reports on evans contract. The guaranteed money for the evans deal is 55 million. Evans is guaranteed to make at least 55 million from that contract regardless of when evans is cut.
thats the way many of these contracts are now. there is a signing bonus and a guarantee amount that are usually different.
For landry the numbers will be different than evans, because obviously evans is a much different reciever. But I wouldnt be surprised if we have to guarantee landry 38 million. which is a lot for a guy with his track record.
I have seen the reports. What I have not seen is the details of the deal. Every media outlet has the same copy and paste statement.
Buccaneers’ WR Mike Evans agreed to a 5-year, $82.5 million extension that includes $55 million guaranteed, per sources.
Evans now under contract through 2023 season.Per sources. How many times do you find out later that a guys contract isnt so colossal after all? Drew Bledsoe singed a 100 million contract in 2001 and was traded in 2002. He never collected. The only thing guaranteed in an NFL contract is signing bonus and the fact that you can be cut tomorrow. -
Same reason we got Taylor from the Bills, Buffalo didn't want to pay his $6 million roster bonus next week. I'll just say this, you want quality players- you have to pay them. We'll see what the contract numbers come out at, but the $14 million Landry wants is market rate for a 100 catch a year pro bowl reciever. Haley's got to be extatic.
these slogans and generic cut off points '100 catch a year' are meaningless.
Value is all that matters. You could catch 50 passes a year and have great value. You could theoretically catch 170 passes in a year, set an nfl record, and have negative value.
Landry has not been an especially valuable reciever through his career so far. He's caught a lot of passes. but he's also been targeted a ton. his targets, relative to other recievers, just wind up being so much less valuable. thats not a good thing.
these slogans and generic cut off points '100 catch a year' are meaningless.
Value is all that matters. You could catch 50 passes a year and have great value. You could theoretically catch 170 passes in a year, set an nfl record, and have negative value.
Landry has not been an especially valuable reciever through his career so far. He's caught a lot of passes. but he's also been targeted a ton. his targets, relative to other recievers, just wind up being so much less valuable. thats not a good thing.
Keep digging the same damned hole. 10.1 yds per catch...which is his career average... gives us a first down every time he touches the ball. I guess you see no value in this team getting first downs.
To use a baseball analogy.....Sure, he may not be the home run threat on this team....but he is the guy that bats .320, with +.400 OB pct. And he steals a lot of bases and scores a lot of runs.
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these slogans and generic cut off points '100 catch a year' are meaningless.
Value is all that matters. You could catch 50 passes a year and have great value. You could theoretically catch 170 passes in a year, set an nfl record, and have negative value.
Landry has not been an especially valuable reciever through his career so far. He's caught a lot of passes. but he's also been targeted a ton. his targets, relative to other recievers, just wind up being so much less valuable. thats not a good thing.
Keep digging the same damned hole. 10.1 yds per catch...which is his career average... gives us a first down every time he touches the ball. I guess you see no value in this team getting first downs.
To use a baseball analogy.....Sure, he may not be the home run threat on this team....but he is the guy that bats .320, with +.400 OB pct. And he steals a lot of bases and scores a lot of runs.
Keep digging the same damned hole. 10.1 yds per catch...which is his career average... gives us a first down every time he touches the ball. I guess you see no value in this team getting first downs.
To use a baseball analogy.....Sure, he may not be the home run threat on this team....but he is the guy that bats .320, with +.400 OB pct. And he steals a lot of bases and scores a lot of runs.
That's some good football Sesame Street Gips on someone making this all far more complicated than it ever had to be. Good Lord!
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The only thing that really counts is signing bonus. Landry wont get the "salary" part of the contract if he is no longer a Brown. Teams back load these deals with high salary amounts, but usually the player never sees a penny of that money unless he is just stud material and the team converts salary into signing bonus.
I have to believe that Dorsey scoured the FA slot WR market and saw this as the best option.
well not neccessarily, look at evans deal. There is typically guaranteed money on top of a signing bonus. In a 60 million dollar deal for example, the signing bonus may be for 14 and the guaranteed portion total(including the signing bonus) is 33.
but even apart from this if you sign a guy to a big signing bonus and cut him after a year or two, thats damn expensive too because in those cases the per year rate you paid him comes out to well above what it costs to even tag someone.
And landry isnt dumb...he knows he is playing on a tag with 16 guaranteed. What you said about tagged guys is true, but moreso true for the truly elite tagged player. Someone like antonio brown woudnt be interested in making 16 million on a one year tag. But jarvis landry? Sure....thats doable for him because he is not that caliber of player. And now when a good but not truly outstanding player carries a tag they have leverage. Just like the team has leverage with a tag over a brown-like player.
well not neccessarily, look at evans deal. There is typically guaranteed money on top of a signing bonus. In a 60 million dollar deal for example, the signing bonus may be for 14 and the guaranteed portion total(including the signing bonus) is 33.
but even apart from this if you sign a guy to a big signing bonus and cut him after a year or two, thats damn expensive too because in those cases the per year rate you paid him comes out to well above what it costs to even tag someone.
And landry isnt dumb...he knows he is playing on a tag with 16 guaranteed. What you said about tagged guys is true, but moreso true for the truly elite tagged player. Someone like antonio brown woudnt be interested in making 16 million on a one year tag. But jarvis landry? Sure....thats doable for him because he is not that caliber of player. And now when a good but not truly outstanding player carries a tag they have leverage. Just like the team has leverage with a tag over a brown-like player.
Taco, I hope you were at least this nervous when we paid Brock Osweiler 16 million $ to go play for John Elway again.
On a team that rarely ever looks like it fields anything but junior varsity WRs - you're bitching about what we're willing to pay Jarvis Landry to give us our very first WR that can get open quickly and give us a potential reception volume of 110-112. Last I looked, we're nowhere close to going broke.
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you clearly havent seen the reports on evans contract. The guaranteed money for the evans deal is 55 million. Evans is guaranteed to make at least 55 million from that contract regardless of when evans is cut.
thats the way many of these contracts are now. there is a signing bonus and a guarantee amount that are usually different.
For landry the numbers will be different than evans, because obviously evans is a much different reciever. But I wouldnt be surprised if we have to guarantee landry 38 million. which is a lot for a guy with his track record.
I have seen the reports. What I have not seen is the details of the deal. Every media outlet has the same copy and paste statement.
Buccaneers’ WR Mike Evans agreed to a 5-year, $82.5 million extension that includes $55 million guaranteed, per sources.
Evans now under contract through 2023 season.Per sources. How many times do you find out later that a guys contract isnt so colossal after all? Drew Bledsoe singed a 100 million contract in 2001 and was traded in 2002. He never collected. The only thing guaranteed in an NFL contract is signing bonus and the fact that you can be cut tomorrow.I have seen the reports. What I have not seen is the details of the deal. Every media outlet has the same copy and paste statement.
Buccaneers’ WR Mike Evans agreed to a 5-year, $82.5 million extension that includes $55 million guaranteed, per sources.
Evans now under contract through 2023 season.Per sources. How many times do you find out later that a guys contract isnt so colossal after all? Drew Bledsoe singed a 100 million contract in 2001 and was traded in 2002. He never collected. The only thing guaranteed in an NFL contract is signing bonus and the fact that you can be cut tomorrow.you keep saying this, but its wrong. You have a signing bonus, and then for many name players in addition to the signing bonus you also have a guaranteed amount of money spelled out in the contract. And then of course a lot of money that is not guaranteed and usually not paid out as per contract. Evans contract wouldnt be unique in that way. As for your 'per sources' bit, what reason is there to doubt the reported guaranteed amount in the contract?
bringing up bledsoe's deal into it is irrelevant. There were no reports at the time that there was a lot of guaranteed money. Same with mcnabbs and hundreds of others. the guaranteed money always tells the story though.
But you are wrong in your insistence that only the signing bonus matters. Only the guaranteed money matters, and thats spelled out in each contract. The signing bonus is part of the guaranteed money of course. In Mike evans case, assuming the reports are correct, the key figure is 55 million because thats guaranteed.
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these slogans and generic cut off points '100 catch a year' are meaningless.
Value is all that matters. You could catch 50 passes a year and have great value. You could theoretically catch 170 passes in a year, set an nfl record, and have negative value.
Landry has not been an especially valuable reciever through his career so far. He's caught a lot of passes. but he's also been targeted a ton. his targets, relative to other recievers, just wind up being so much less valuable. thats not a good thing.
Keep digging the same damned hole. 10.1 yds per catch...which is his career average... gives us a first down every time he touches the ball. I guess you see no value in this team getting first downs.
To use a baseball analogy.....Sure, he may not be the home run threat on this team....but he is the guy that bats .320, with +.400 OB pct. And he steals a lot of bases and scores a lot of runs.
Keep digging the same damned hole. 10.1 yds per catch...which is his career average... gives us a first down every time he touches the ball. I guess you see no value in this team getting first downs.
To use a baseball analogy.....Sure, he may not be the home run threat on this team....but he is the guy that bats .320, with +.400 OB pct. And he steals a lot of bases and scores a lot of runs.
I'm not unhappy we signed the guy. I think he has more upside and hope we use him a little differently. And yes I know it's not my money. But we don't have a top 15 reciever here. Which is ok...he'll still work.
for your baseball analogy, a more appropriate one is he is the guy with a ton of plate appearances, lot of singles, and little walks or power.....
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I have seen the reports. What I have not seen is the details of the deal. Every media outlet has the same copy and paste statement.
Buccaneers’ WR Mike Evans agreed to a 5-year, $82.5 million extension that includes $55 million guaranteed, per sources.
Evans now under contract through 2023 season.Per sources. How many times do you find out later that a guys contract isnt so colossal after all? Drew Bledsoe singed a 100 million contract in 2001 and was traded in 2002. He never collected. The only thing guaranteed in an NFL contract is signing bonus and the fact that you can be cut tomorrow.you keep saying this, but its wrong. You have a signing bonus, and then for many name players in addition to the signing bonus you also have a guaranteed amount of money spelled out in the contract. And then of course a lot of money that is not guaranteed and usually not paid out as per contract. Evans contract wouldnt be unique in that way. As for your 'per sources' bit, what reason is there to doubt the reported guaranteed amount in the contract?
bringing up bledsoe's deal into it is irrelevant. There were no reports at the time that there was a lot of guaranteed money. Same with mcnabbs and hundreds of others. the guaranteed money always tells the story though.
But you are wrong in your insistence that only the signing bonus matters. Only the guaranteed money matters, and thats spelled out in each contract. The signing bonus is part of the guaranteed money of course. In Mike evans case, assuming the reports are correct, the key figure is 55 million because thats guaranteed.
you keep saying this, but its wrong. You have a signing bonus, and then for many name players in addition to the signing bonus you also have a guaranteed amount of money spelled out in the contract. And then of course a lot of money that is not guaranteed and usually not paid out as per contract. Evans contract wouldnt be unique in that way. As for your 'per sources' bit, what reason is there to doubt the reported guaranteed amount in the contract?
bringing up bledsoe's deal into it is irrelevant. There were no reports at the time that there was a lot of guaranteed money. Same with mcnabbs and hundreds of others. the guaranteed money always tells the story though.
But you are wrong in your insistence that only the signing bonus matters. Only the guaranteed money matters, and thats spelled out in each contract. The signing bonus is part of the guaranteed money of course. In Mike evans case, assuming the reports are correct, the key figure is 55 million because thats guaranteed.
Youre wrong buddy.
Evans had a 5 rookie year contract and was guaranteed 18.258 million in 2018 lock, stock and barrel. The Bucs picked up his option on the 5th year of the deal. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/mike-evans-14416/
The aforementioned 18.258 million is OLD money since Evans was going to be paid that amount in 2018 regardless.
The 55 million guaranteed that everyone is talking about includes the 2018 old 18.2 money plus the 37.7 million in new guaranteed money in the 5 year extension which begins after 2018. You are wrong to say his new contract has 55 million guaranteed. It is not fact. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/buccaneers-sign-mike-evans-to-one-of-historys-biggest-contracts-for-a-receiver/
2018 - old money
2019 - 2023 new money and the Bucs have the option to exercise Evans last season in 2023.
Details, its all in the details. Things are rarely as they seem.
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Keep digging the same damned hole. 10.1 yds per catch...which is his career average... gives us a first down every time he touches the ball. I guess you see no value in this team getting first downs.
To use a baseball analogy.....Sure, he may not be the home run threat on this team....but he is the guy that bats .320, with +.400 OB pct. And he steals a lot of bases and scores a lot of runs.
I'm not unhappy we signed the guy. I think he has more upside and hope we use him a little differently. And yes I know it's not my money. But we don't have a top 15 reciever here. Which is ok...he'll still work.
for your baseball analogy, a more appropriate one is he is the guy with a ton of plate appearances, lot of singles, and little walks or power.....
I'm not unhappy we signed the guy. I think he has more upside and hope we use him a little differently. And yes I know it's not my money. But we don't have a top 15 reciever here. Which is ok...he'll still work.
for your baseball analogy, a more appropriate one is he is the guy with a ton of plate appearances, lot of singles, and little walks or power.....
Yeah, he's not a home run hitter- so what? We can afford to pay him. Regarding the metrics- it just occurred to me- then why were teams lining up (besides the Browns) to pay him his $14 million? Not being top 15? That's your opinion, if you like, I'll say differently. Only 12 WRs get voted to the Pro Bowl, and Landry has made it 3 seasons running. Sorry- that makes him at least top 12 in the NFL. Little wonder he was the consensus top WR free agent, and we snagged him.
As to why the Dolphins couldn't keep Landry- here's the primary reason. They (foolishly IMHO) gave Ndamukong Suh the stars, sun, and moon to come on down to Miami. From the looks of spotrac, they're married to him through 2019.. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/ndamukong-suh-6511/
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Keep digging the same damned hole. 10.1 yds per catch...which is his career average... gives us a first down every time he touches the ball. I guess you see no value in this team getting first downs.
To use a baseball analogy.....Sure, he may not be the home run threat on this team....but he is the guy that bats .320, with +.400 OB pct. And he steals a lot of bases and scores a lot of runs.
I'm not unhappy we signed the guy. I think he has more upside and hope we use him a little differently. And yes I know it's not my money. But we don't have a top 15 reciever here. Which is ok...he'll still work.
for your baseball analogy, a more appropriate one is he is the guy with a ton of plate appearances, lot of singles, and little walks or power.....
I'm not unhappy we signed the guy. I think he has more upside and hope we use him a little differently. And yes I know it's not my money. But we don't have a top 15 reciever here. Which is ok...he'll still work.
for your baseball analogy, a more appropriate one is he is the guy with a ton of plate appearances, lot of singles, and little walks or power.....
110 catches 10.1 ypc average tells me that...sure.... he hits doubles and singles....but probably does walk a lot because his on base percent is very high.
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I'm not unhappy we signed the guy. I think he has more upside and hope we use him a little differently. And yes I know it's not my money. But we don't have a top 15 reciever here. Which is ok...he'll still work.
for your baseball analogy, a more appropriate one is he is the guy with a ton of plate appearances, lot of singles, and little walks or power.....
Yeah, he's not a home run hitter- so what? We can afford to pay him. Regarding the metrics- it just occurred to me- then why were teams lining up (besides the Browns) to pay him his $14 million? Not being top 15? That's your opinion, if you like, I'll say differently. Only 12 WRs get voted to the Pro Bowl, and Landry has made it 3 seasons running. Sorry- that makes him at least top 12 in the NFL. Little wonder he was the consensus top WR free agent, and we snagged him.
As to why the Dolphins couldn't keep Landry- here's the primary reason. They (foolishly IMHO) gave Ndamukong Suh the stars, sun, and moon to come on down to Miami. From the looks of spotrac, they're married to him through 2019.. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/ndamukong-suh-6511/
Yeah, he's not a home run hitter- so what? We can afford to pay him. Regarding the metrics- it just occurred to me- then why were teams lining up (besides the Browns) to pay him his $14 million? Not being top 15? That's your opinion, if you like, I'll say differently. Only 12 WRs get voted to the Pro Bowl, and Landry has made it 3 seasons running. Sorry- that makes him at least top 12 in the NFL. Little wonder he was the consensus top WR free agent, and we snagged him.
As to why the Dolphins couldn't keep Landry- here's the primary reason. They (foolishly IMHO) gave Ndamukong Suh the stars, sun, and moon to come on down to Miami. From the looks of spotrac, they're married to him through 2019.. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/ndamukong-suh-6511/
Sometimes it's not the X's and O's but the good.....or bad..... $'s and cents that can dictate your immediate football future.
And of course plain ol' bad luck and injuries can enter into the picture.
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