Baker Mayfield
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Clearly our FO don’t care about his height after the Taylor trade.
Taylor will be the starter but one thing we know is that he gets hurt so the rookie we do draft is going to play at some point.
Could it be Baker?
Clearly our FO don’t care about his height after the Taylor trade.
Taylor will be the starter but one thing we know is that he gets hurt so the rookie we do draft is going to play at some point.
Could it be Baker?
I think you have a point. Let's put it this way.....this seems at least to not eliminate him as a possible choice, even if it does not make him the favorite.
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Why would you draft a QB that has the exact same skill set (and lack of) that you just traded for?
Why would you draft a QB that has the exact same skill set (and lack of) that you just traded for?
Contrarily....why would you draft a QB with the exact same skill set you traded away
Meaning of course.....that chances of taking Allen drop precipitously.
Fair to say?
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Contrarily....why would you draft a QB with the exact same skill set you traded away
Meaning of course.....that chances of taking Allen drop precipitously.
Fair to say?
A lot of those QB variables age, experience, skill set, size, team chemistry, salary, room for growth, etc. I don't really ever paying more attention to the next BROWNS quarterback(s) as this year.
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The trade for Taylor changes nothing. He will serve as the bridge so his physical dimensions have zero bearing on the type of QB they are taking.
That said, I am completely against drafting Mayfield.
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IMO, Mayfield poses JUST THE SLIGHTEST risk of the Manziel type.....and I just don't think the organization (Jimmuh & Dee included) wants anything to do with ANY risk of that at all.
IMO, Mayfield poses JUST THE SLIGHTEST risk of the Manziel type.....and I just don't think the organization (Jimmuh & Dee included) wants anything to do with ANY risk of that at all.
I think Mayfield is a bit of an immature frat bro.
But I don't think his personality/character will torpedo his future like Mayfield. (I do, though, think opposing defenses are going to go out of their way to go after Mayfield to put him in his place, like Manziel was treated by opposing defensive players) That's the difference between the two, IMO. Mayfield's personality doesn't seem self-destructive, just immature that could cause the team he plays for PR headaches.
My issue with Mayfield is his height and what conference he played in. A 6' tall QB from the pinball stats conference is a HUGE risk at #1 or #4 overall.
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Tyrod size isn't an issue, he is a proven commodity, thats what they traded for, not for how hard he can through the tall or how tall he is. And his lack of turnover is an important factor. It maybe that he doesn't drive the ball down field a bunch or whatever, but Tyrod is here to keep the seat warm, not start for the next decade. He is here most likely for one year and then gone. His job will be to keep the team in the game and not kill them with turnovers.
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Tyrod size isn't an issue, he is a proven commodity, thats what they traded for, not for how hard he can through the tall or how tall he is. And his lack of turnover is an important factor. It maybe that he doesn't drive the ball down field a bunch or whatever, but Tyrod is here to keep the seat warm, not start for the next decade. He is here most likely for one year and then gone. His job will be to keep the team in the game and not kill them with turnovers.
Tyrod size isn't an issue, he is a proven commodity, thats what they traded for, not for how hard he can through the tall or how tall he is. And his lack of turnover is an important factor. It maybe that he doesn't drive the ball down field a bunch or whatever, but Tyrod is here to keep the seat warm, not start for the next decade. He is here most likely for one year and then gone. His job will be to keep the team in the game and not kill them with turnovers.
And I for one think he has an even chance to actually be the franchise QB the Browns have been searching for if we just keep building that defense up to the level of the Seattle and Denver SB winners. Many a game is determined not on sacks, but turnover differences.
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IMO, Mayfield poses JUST THE SLIGHTEST risk of the Manziel type.....and I just don't think the organization (Jimmuh & Dee included) wants anything to do with ANY risk of that at all.
I think Mayfield is a bit of an immature frat bro.
But I don't think his personality/character will torpedo his future like Mayfield. (I do, though, think opposing defenses are going to go out of their way to go after Mayfield to put him in his place, like Manziel was treated by opposing defensive players) That's the difference between the two, IMO. Mayfield's personality doesn't seem self-destructive, just immature that could cause the team he plays for PR headaches.
My issue with Mayfield is his height and what conference he played in. A 6' tall QB from the pinball stats conference is a HUGE risk at #1 or #4 overall.
(I do, though, think opposing defenses are going to go out of their way to go after Mayfield to put him in his place, like Manziel was treated by opposing defensive players)
Hell...Bitonio let his man walk right on in to Manziel once. Everybody except Josh Gordon hated him.
I don't think Mayfield will be anything like THAT...but they have the first pick in the draft and don't have to take any chances. -- He's an accurate thrower though. That makes up for a lot of sins.
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(I do, though, think opposing defenses are going to go out of their way to go after Mayfield to put him in his place, like Manziel was treated by opposing defensive players)
Hell...Bitonio let his man walk right on in to Manziel once. Everybody except Josh Gordon hated him.
I don't think Mayfield will be anything like THAT...but they have the first pick in the draft and don't have to take any chances. -- He's an accurate thrower though. That makes up for a lot of sins.
Hell...Bitonio let his man walk right on in to Manziel once. Everybody except Josh Gordon hated him.
I don't think Mayfield will be anything like THAT...but they have the first pick in the draft and don't have to take any chances. -- He's an accurate thrower though. That makes up for a lot of sins.
All I ever was told was how Manziel's teammates loved him at Texas A&M too...
I'm actually very interested in seeing Mayfield in the NFL, but I'll be honest, there's no way I would have the stones to draft him in the top 4 overall picks.
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Hell...Bitonio let his man walk right on in to Manziel once. Everybody except Josh Gordon hated him.
I don't think Mayfield will be anything like THAT...but they have the first pick in the draft and don't have to take any chances. -- He's an accurate thrower though. That makes up for a lot of sins.
All I ever was told was how Manziel's teammates loved him at Texas A&M too...
I'm actually very interested in seeing Mayfield in the NFL, but I'll be honest, there's no way I would have the stones to draft him in the top 4 overall picks.
All I ever was told was how Manziel's teammates loved him at Texas A&M too...
I'm actually very interested in seeing Mayfield in the NFL, but I'll be honest, there's no way I would have the stones to draft him in the top 4 overall picks.
Because when Johnny went to party with the A&M team- all the drinks were on him....
I really don't have any problem with Mayfield at #1 or #4.
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All I ever was told was how Manziel's teammates loved him at Texas A&M too...
I'm actually very interested in seeing Mayfield in the NFL, but I'll be honest, there's no way I would have the stones to draft him in the top 4 overall picks.
Because when Johnny went to party with the A&M team- all the drinks were on him....
I really don't have any problem with Mayfield at #1 or #4.
Because when Johnny went to party with the A&M team- all the drinks were on him....
I really don't have any problem with Mayfield at #1 or #4.
A 6'0 tall QB from the Big 12... no problems at all?
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A 6'0 tall QB from the Big 12... no problems at all?
We've already hashed this to death- you have to look at the player, not the conference. If Dorsey is OK with 6'0" Tyrod Taylor- think 6'0" height is an issue with Dorsey?
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I keep saying to people that Baker Mayfields demeanor is much more serious than Johnny's... He just seems to really care about his craft.. so hes a little kocky.. you expect that from a youngster... Baker despite some of the little bit of negative press received, really doesnt concern me ... I think hes just a different mindset from JFF all together...
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A 6'0 tall QB from the Big 12... no problems at all?
We've already hashed this to death- you have to look at the player, not the conference. If Dorsey is OK with 6'0" Tyrod Taylor- think 6'0" height is an issue with Dorsey?
We've already hashed this to death- you have to look at the player, not the conference. If Dorsey is OK with 6'0" Tyrod Taylor- think 6'0" height is an issue with Dorsey?
Mayfield would be the first QB from his conference to amount to anything at the NFL level coupled with height issues. Big 12 QBs put up video game numbers and it ends there for them.
I don’t want the Browns to be the team crossing their fingers that Mayfield becomes the one outlier.
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A 6'0 tall QB from the Big 12... no problems at all?
We've already hashed this to death- you have to look at the player, not the conference. If Dorsey is OK with 6'0" Tyrod Taylor- think 6'0" height is an issue with Dorsey?
We've already hashed this to death- you have to look at the player, not the conference. If Dorsey is OK with 6'0" Tyrod Taylor- think 6'0" height is an issue with Dorsey?
There is a world of difference between a one-year bridge QB - and what you'll use to fill that spot - and using the #1 or #4 overall pick on a guy you would think of as a franchise QB for the next decade.
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I keep saying to people that Baker Mayfields demeanor is much more serious than Johnny's... He just seems to really care about his craft.. so hes a little kocky.. you expect that from a youngster... Baker despite some of the little bit of negative press received, really doesnt concern me ... I think hes just a different mindset from JFF all together...
I keep saying to people that Baker Mayfields demeanor is much more serious than Johnny's... He just seems to really care about his craft.. so hes a little kocky.. you expect that from a youngster... Baker despite some of the little bit of negative press received, really doesnt concern me ... I think hes just a different mindset from JFF all together...
The difference is Baker Mayfield has a work ethic and cares about being a great QB, while Manziel had no work ethic and loved the limelight that came from being a big-shot QB, but didn't want to do the work to become a top QB in the NFL.
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We've already hashed this to death- you have to look at the player, not the conference. If Dorsey is OK with 6'0" Tyrod Taylor- think 6'0" height is an issue with Dorsey?
Mayfield would be the first QB from his conference to amount to anything at the NFL level coupled with height issues. Big 12 QBs put up video game numbers and it ends there for them.
I don’t want the Browns to be the team crossing their fingers that Mayfield becomes the one outlier.
Mayfield would be the first QB from his conference to amount to anything at the NFL level coupled with height issues. Big 12 QBs put up video game numbers and it ends there for them.
I don’t want the Browns to be the team crossing their fingers that Mayfield becomes the one outlier.
This is essentially true. We have researched this before. The Big 12 was formed in 1994. NO QB from the Big 12 since that time has ever won a playoff game. A few have started....the best of the bunch has been Andy Dalton....who has lost 4 playoff games without winning one.
But, sure, someday, some QB from the Big 12 is going to break that pattern. It could be Mahomes, or Mayfield, or Rudolph....or who knows.
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We've already hashed this to death- you have to look at the player, not the conference. If Dorsey is OK with 6'0" Tyrod Taylor- think 6'0" height is an issue with Dorsey?
Mayfield would be the first QB from his conference to amount to anything at the NFL level coupled with height issues. Big 12 QBs put up video game numbers and it ends there for them.
I don’t want the Browns to be the team crossing their fingers that Mayfield becomes the one outlier.
Mayfield would be the first QB from his conference to amount to anything at the NFL level coupled with height issues. Big 12 QBs put up video game numbers and it ends there for them.
I don’t want the Browns to be the team crossing their fingers that Mayfield becomes the one outlier.
John Dorsey took that gamble last year with Mahomes. I’m not a huge Mayfield fan, but if the FO thinks he’s the best QB available, they have to take him at 1
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Mayfield would be the first QB from his conference to amount to anything at the NFL level coupled with height issues. Big 12 QBs put up video game numbers and it ends there for them.
I don’t want the Browns to be the team crossing their fingers that Mayfield becomes the one outlier.
John Dorsey took that gamble last year with Mahomes. I’m not a huge Mayfield fan, but if the FO thinks he’s the best QB available, they have to take him at 1
John Dorsey took that gamble last year with Mahomes. I’m not a huge Mayfield fan, but if the FO thinks he’s the best QB available, they have to take him at 1
No doubt. You don’t hope he is there at 4. I just hope they don’t take him at all.
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