What is the future of football?
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Pussification of football will be its demise. Poor kiddies.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
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Pussification of football will be its demise. Poor kiddies.
Pussification of football will be its demise.
I just don't see the problem!
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Pussification of football will be its demise. Poor kiddies.
Pussification of football will be its demise. Poor kiddies.
But there will still be MMA if you want real violence.
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Sadly though the list of tragic stories continues to grow over time, Iron Mike Webster, Ken Stabler, Junior Seau and many, many others over time paint a bad picture of one of our favorite pastimes.
We do not yet know what the future is because we do not yet know the impact that the rules changes to this point will have. Foremost of these is the installation of the concussion protocol.
All the old timers listed "shook it off" and played on. How many sideline shots do you still see in NFL films of grizzled, old players kneeling on the sideline waiving a cracked vial of smelling salts under their nose? That was "treatment" back in the day.
The science of concussive impact and its relationship with CTE is not settled. However, if you play with a concussion, which at its core is a bruised and swollen brain, you lower the impact threshold for compounding the brain injury you originally suffered. That much is understood. That, by and large, has been eliminated.
Equipment? Not going to see magnets or more straps or bubble wrap... won't see any outward changes. What we will "see" if monitoring... accelerometers on the headband at the center of the helmet suspension system to monitor players better than they are today. Transponders to send the info in real time.
Other rules? Sure there will be some around permissible contact, but better enforcement of those on the books is most likely.
The one new rule I can see is shortening the game. Everyone complains that they take too long as it is anyway, so shorten the game to 10 minute quarters. This would follow the example of the other major, concussive sport, boxing, which went from 15 round championships to 12 decades ago.
We do not yet know what the future is because we do not yet know the impact that the rules changes to this point will have. Foremost of these is the installation of the concussion protocol.
All the old timers listed "shook it off" and played on. How many sideline shots do you still see in NFL films of grizzled, old players kneeling on the sideline waiving a cracked vial of smelling salts under their nose? That was "treatment" back in the day.
The science of concussive impact and its relationship with CTE is not settled.........
.........This would follow the example of the other major, concussive sport, boxing, which went from 15 round championships to 12 decades ago.
True we have to see how things play out from here including rule adaptation and any possible improvements in helmet and other technology.
On boxing I remember that well, my dad was a club fighter and fought in the NAVY during the WWII era. (before my time) he got out. I used to watch fights on TV with him in the late 1950s, 1960s, a friend of his post WWII was a top 10 heavyweight and later was nicknamed "punchie" and died early from complications of dimmencia.
Heavyweights in particular could be out on their feet after 12 rounds, guys like Ali paid a price for that.
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We do not yet know what the future is because we do not yet know the impact that the rules changes to this point will have. Foremost of these is the installation of the concussion protocol.
All the old timers listed "shook it off" and played on. How many sideline shots do you still see in NFL films of grizzled, old players kneeling on the sideline waiving a cracked vial of smelling salts under their nose? That was "treatment" back in the day.
The science of concussive impact and its relationship with CTE is not settled.........
.........This would follow the example of the other major, concussive sport, boxing, which went from 15 round championships to 12 decades ago.
True we have to see how things play out from here including rule adaptation and any possible improvements in helmet and other technology.
On boxing I remember that well, my dad was a club fighter and fought in the NAVY during the WWII era. (before my time) he got out. I used to watch fights on TV with him in the late 1950s, 1960s, a friend of his post WWII was a top 10 heavyweight and later was nicknamed "punchie" and died early from complications of dimmencia.
Heavyweights in particular could be out on their feet after 12 rounds, guys like Ali paid a price for that.
True we have to see how things play out from here including rule adaptation and any possible improvements in helmet and other technology.
On boxing I remember that well, my dad was a club fighter and fought in the NAVY during the WWII era. (before my time) he got out. I used to watch fights on TV with him in the late 1950s, 1960s, a friend of his post WWII was a top 10 heavyweight and later was nicknamed "punchie" and died early from complications of dimmencia.
Heavyweights in particular could be out on their feet after 12 rounds, guys like Ali paid a price for that.
Some of Joe's left hooks were not truly appreciated until many years later. Ali took some wicked shots from Smokin' Joe.
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Oh damn, somebody already thought of it I guess, here it is. This is probably the solution- at least short term. Here's the story and the link... https://www.sciencenews.org/article/magnets-helmets-might-make-football-safer
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Adding magnets to football helmets could reduce the risk of concussions, new research suggests. When two players collide, the magnets in their helmets would repel each other, reducing the force of the collision.
“All helmet design companies and manufacturers have the same approach, which is to try to disperse the impact energy after the impact’s already occurred,” neuroscientist Raymond Colello said November 15 at the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience.
The magnets, he says, would put a brake on the impact before it happens.
The idea hasn’t been tested yet in helmets with real players, said Judy Cameron, a neuroscientist at the University of Pittsburgh. “But a lot of thought has gone into it, and the data that was shown about the ability of the magnets to actually repel each other looked extremely promising.”
On the field, football players can run at nearly 20 miles per hour and can experience up to 150 g’s of force upon impact. Concussions readily occur at impacts greater than 100 g’s. Every year there are 100,000 concussions at all levels of play among the nearly 1.2 million people who play football in the United States.
Colello, of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, is testing magnets made in China from the rare-earth element neodymium. They are the most powerful commercially available magnets and weigh about one-third of a pound each (football helmets weigh from 3.5 to 5.5 pounds). When placed one-fourth of an inch away from each other, two magnets with their same poles face-to-face exert nearly 100 pounds of repulsive force.
Colello tested his magnets with the same procedure that the National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment uses to evaluate football helmets. He placed magnets on the front of a weight and let it drop from various heights onto another magnet. The heights Colello tested (between 6 inches and 4 feet) represent the impact forces athletes normally experience on the playing field.
“At 48 inches, if you dropped a standard helmet and it hit a stationary object, it would create 120 g’s of force,” says Colello. “With the magnets we drop that below 100 g’s.”
The magnets would complement existing helmet safety features. Colello speculates that adding magnets to a helmet would raise the price by $50 to $100. (Professional helmets today can cost several hundred dollars.) Amateur players, who will not experience impacts as crushing as pros do, could use helmets with cheaper, less powerful magnets.
Though the magnets do attract metallic objects, the National Football League prohibits athletes from wearing jewelry during games. Another safety concern is whether the magnets are dangerous to have near human heads. Colello says that a 30 minute- to one-hour MRI procedure produces magnetic fields 10 to 30 times as strong as those in helmet magnets.
Colello is now awaiting customized arc-shaped magnets that can be fitted inside helmets so he can begin field-testing them. First he will run crash-test dummy heads donning the helmets on a zip line; when the heads collide, accelerometers will measure the linear and rotational forces caused by the impact.
If the magnets make it through field tests, they could theoretically reduce the relative risk of concussions by up to 80 percent without changing the appearance or intensity of the game, Colello says.
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Oh damn, somebody already thought of it I guess, here it is. This is probably the solution- at least short term. Here's the story and the link... https://www.sciencenews.org/article/magnets-helmets-might-make-football-safer
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Adding magnets to football helmets could reduce the risk of concussions, new research suggests. When two players collide, the magnets in their helmets would repel each other, reducing the force of the collision.
“All helmet design companies and manufacturers have the same approach, which is to try to disperse the impact energy after the impact’s already occurred,” neuroscientist Raymond Colello said November 15 at the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience.
The magnets, he says, would put a brake on the impact before it happens.
The idea hasn’t been tested yet in helmets with real players, said Judy Cameron, a neuroscientist at the University of Pittsburgh. “But a lot of thought has gone into it, and the data that was shown about the ability of the magnets to actually repel each other looked extremely promising.”
On the field, football players can run at nearly 20 miles per hour and can experience up to 150 g’s of force upon impact. Concussions readily occur at impacts greater than 100 g’s. Every year there are 100,000 concussions at all levels of play among the nearly 1.2 million people who play football in the United States.
Colello, of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, is testing magnets made in China from the rare-earth element neodymium. They are the most powerful commercially available magnets and weigh about one-third of a pound each (football helmets weigh from 3.5 to 5.5 pounds). When placed one-fourth of an inch away from each other, two magnets with their same poles face-to-face exert nearly 100 pounds of repulsive force.
Colello tested his magnets with the same procedure that the National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment uses to evaluate football helmets. He placed magnets on the front of a weight and let it drop from various heights onto another magnet. The heights Colello tested (between 6 inches and 4 feet) represent the impact forces athletes normally experience on the playing field.
“At 48 inches, if you dropped a standard helmet and it hit a stationary object, it would create 120 g’s of force,” says Colello. “With the magnets we drop that below 100 g’s.”
The magnets would complement existing helmet safety features. Colello speculates that adding magnets to a helmet would raise the price by $50 to $100. (Professional helmets today can cost several hundred dollars.) Amateur players, who will not experience impacts as crushing as pros do, could use helmets with cheaper, less powerful magnets.
Though the magnets do attract metallic objects, the National Football League prohibits athletes from wearing jewelry during games. Another safety concern is whether the magnets are dangerous to have near human heads. Colello says that a 30 minute- to one-hour MRI procedure produces magnetic fields 10 to 30 times as strong as those in helmet magnets.
Colello is now awaiting customized arc-shaped magnets that can be fitted inside helmets so he can begin field-testing them. First he will run crash-test dummy heads donning the helmets on a zip line; when the heads collide, accelerometers will measure the linear and rotational forces caused by the impact.
If the magnets make it through field tests, they could theoretically reduce the relative risk of concussions by up to 80 percent without changing the appearance or intensity of the game, Colello says.
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ABSOLUTELY ASININE. Magnets WILL NOT REDUCE JACK SCHIDT. The force of the impact will merely be transfered to the neck via torque, making it easier on the head, yeah, but horrible on the upper spinal column.
Fuktards. No need to test this stupidity.
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Oh damn, somebody already thought of it I guess, here it is. This is probably the solution- at least short term. Here's the story and the link... https://www.sciencenews.org/article/magnets-helmets-might-make-football-safer
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Adding magnets to football helmets could reduce the risk of concussions, new research suggests. When two players collide, the magnets in their helmets would repel each other, reducing the force of the collision.
“All helmet design companies and manufacturers have the same approach, which is to try to disperse the impact energy after the impact’s already occurred,” neuroscientist Raymond Colello said November 15 at the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience.
The magnets, he says, would put a brake on the impact before it happens.
The idea hasn’t been tested yet in helmets with real players, said Judy Cameron, a neuroscientist at the University of Pittsburgh. “But a lot of thought has gone into it, and the data that was shown about the ability of the magnets to actually repel each other looked extremely promising.”
On the field, football players can run at nearly 20 miles per hour and can experience up to 150 g’s of force upon impact. Concussions readily occur at impacts greater than 100 g’s. Every year there are 100,000 concussions at all levels of play among the nearly 1.2 million people who play football in the United States.
Colello, of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, is testing magnets made in China from the rare-earth element neodymium. They are the most powerful commercially available magnets and weigh about one-third of a pound each (football helmets weigh from 3.5 to 5.5 pounds). When placed one-fourth of an inch away from each other, two magnets with their same poles face-to-face exert nearly 100 pounds of repulsive force.
Colello tested his magnets with the same procedure that the National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment uses to evaluate football helmets. He placed magnets on the front of a weight and let it drop from various heights onto another magnet. The heights Colello tested (between 6 inches and 4 feet) represent the impact forces athletes normally experience on the playing field.
“At 48 inches, if you dropped a standard helmet and it hit a stationary object, it would create 120 g’s of force,” says Colello. “With the magnets we drop that below 100 g’s.”
The magnets would complement existing helmet safety features. Colello speculates that adding magnets to a helmet would raise the price by $50 to $100. (Professional helmets today can cost several hundred dollars.) Amateur players, who will not experience impacts as crushing as pros do, could use helmets with cheaper, less powerful magnets.
Though the magnets do attract metallic objects, the National Football League prohibits athletes from wearing jewelry during games. Another safety concern is whether the magnets are dangerous to have near human heads. Colello says that a 30 minute- to one-hour MRI procedure produces magnetic fields 10 to 30 times as strong as those in helmet magnets.
Colello is now awaiting customized arc-shaped magnets that can be fitted inside helmets so he can begin field-testing them. First he will run crash-test dummy heads donning the helmets on a zip line; when the heads collide, accelerometers will measure the linear and rotational forces caused by the impact.
If the magnets make it through field tests, they could theoretically reduce the relative risk of concussions by up to 80 percent without changing the appearance or intensity of the game, Colello says.
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ABSOLUTELY ASININE. Magnets WILL NOT REDUCE JACK SCHIDT. The force of the impact will merely be transfered to the neck via torque, making it easier on the head, yeah, but horrible on the upper spinal column.
Fuktards. No need to test this stupidity.
ABSOLUTELY ASININE. Magnets WILL NOT REDUCE JACK SCHIDT.
I should think that 'in theory' they WOULD reduce the stress of impact...to some small degree, as a repulsing magnetic field is not a static solid object. There should be 'some' slow down and not a sudden stop.
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I should think that 'in theory' they WOULD reduce the stress of impact...to some small degree, as a repulsing magnetic field is not a static solid object. There should be 'some' slow down and not a sudden stop.
Did a little research- Neodymium magnets (strongest available) are certainly small enough, but putting them in helmets- look out! Besides, anyone that's played with magnets knows they have both an attractive and repulsive force. You couldn't put a helmet possessing enough magnetism to do any good anywhere near something made out of steel- um, like a locker?
I will tell a story of our favorite fun with magnets game in college. One of my roommates was in Electrical Engineering Technology and managed to get hold of an extremely high Gauss magnet. Want to play some pinball? That silver ball is never going to drain. Playing Time Tunnel, you could just keep shooting the ball into the magic tunnel, back to start, rack up millions of points & dozens of free games- then take the magnet off and play all night on your quarter. Problem was- we eventually magnetized the ball which made the game sort of interesting.
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I thought water-lined helmets were designed for somebody years ago as an experiment.
Larry Csonka?
anyways, they are working on a safer helmet.
magnets. I would think that if they did work, it would lead to serious neck injuries....
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I suspect that the CTE reports grossly exaggerate the rate of occurrence. More importantly the "symptoms" can be driven by a host of other issues as well. Rage, depression, drug addiction, alcohol abuse, many of those can also be driven by being predisposed and on top of that years of steroid and pain pill abuse. I'm not suggesting that CTE doesn't cause issues, simply saying there is no direct correlation. It would be interesting to see data comparing rates of those symptoms in a larger data set of players vs. the general population. Here's a good article. https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2017/07/the_press_is_overhyping_the_latest_study_on_cte_in_the_nfl.html
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I should think that 'in theory' they WOULD reduce the stress of impact...to some small degree, as a repulsing magnetic field is not a static solid object. There should be 'some' slow down and not a sudden stop.
Did a little research- Neodymium magnets (strongest available) are certainly small enough, but putting them in helmets- look out! Besides, anyone that's played with magnets knows they have both an attractive and repulsive force. You couldn't put a helmet possessing enough magnetism to do any good anywhere near something made out of steel- um, like a locker?
I will tell a story of our favorite fun with magnets game in college. One of my roommates was in Electrical Engineering Technology and managed to get hold of an extremely high Gauss magnet. Want to play some pinball? That silver ball is never going to drain. Playing Time Tunnel, you could just keep shooting the ball into the magic tunnel, back to start, rack up millions of points & dozens of free games- then take the magnet off and play all night on your quarter. Problem was- we eventually magnetized the ball which made the game sort of interesting.
Besides, anyone that's played with magnets knows they have both an attractive and repulsive force.
lol... could bring a whole new meaning to "drawing the defense offsides."
But seriously... if hits from one direction are repulsed, then...
magnets. I would think that if they did work, it would lead to serious neck injuries....
Bingo... could rival some of the worst facemask grabs ever seen.
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Good post and something that eats at me a little bit with this sport. I have no solutions and concede that the violent nature and physicality of the sport is part of the appeal.
However, l spend time rooting for the guys on my favorite team, and l can’t help but want them to be able to retire from the game with their faculties intact, able to walk and think and such. Especially the Joe Thomases, Josh Cribbs, and Bernie Kosars of the world.
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Don't worry.. in 5 years GOD-del is gonna rename it the P.F.L...Pussy-Fied -League.
I get this line of thinking too. Be a man, pound chest and carry on. This way of thinking l suspect has reduced the burden on the healthcare industry since before it could be considered an industry. It’s not war though, it’s a sport for our entertainment. What cost should that carry?
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Some other outside the box ideas if in fact CTE is as prevalent as the hype suggests. 1)Implement an actual PDE testing program in college and the NFL. Return players to normal athletic human sizes. This would signicantly reduce the force of impact. If you think the current programs are effective your heads Buried so deep in the ground you can see China. 2) Decrease college careers to 2 years 3) Implement "term limits" by position in the NFL
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I suspect that the CTE reports grossly exaggerate the rate of occurrence. More importantly the "symptoms" can be driven by a host of other issues as well. Rage, depression, drug addiction, alcohol abuse, many of those can also be driven by being predisposed and on top of that years of steroid and pain pill abuse. I'm not suggesting that CTE doesn't cause issues, simply saying there is no direct correlation. It would be interesting to see data comparing rates of those symptoms in a larger data set of players vs. the general population. Here's a good article. https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2017/07/the_press_is_overhyping_the_latest_study_on_cte_in_the_nfl.html
I suspect that the CTE reports grossly exaggerate the rate of occurrence. More importantly the "symptoms" can be driven by a host of other issues as well. Rage, depression, drug addiction, alcohol abuse, many of those can also be driven by being predisposed and on top of that years of steroid and pain pill abuse. I'm not suggesting that CTE doesn't cause issues, simply saying there is no direct correlation. It would be interesting to see data comparing rates of those symptoms in a larger data set of players vs. the general population. Here's a good article. https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2017/07/the_press_is_overhyping_the_latest_study_on_cte_in_the_nfl.html
Agree... I do not believe there are too many instances of "Grandpa sure acts normal... maybe we should donate his brain to science."
And again few brains have entered the data set since the advent of the era of Concussion Awareness.
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I get so tired of all (what I call) "trick" solutions & talk...MAGNETS now?
We can start with STRICT PENALTIES for cheap shots (especially to the head). I have long been an advocate of....
1) Immediate ejection + next game penalty (I don't care if the "next game" is the Super Bowl!)
2) In case of injury to the player hit, the offending player remains suspended for EVERY game the injured player misses due to injury PLUS 1 more game.
I put all this on Roger. I also would like to know WHY the Shazier injury to himself (due to his own helmet leading hit) has not been used as an example of why improper tackling technique can cause serious injury. As tragic as the injury was, something positive could be gained from it, IF the NFL would get off their asses and address the REAL issue. Eliminate the dirty plays & players....fines & helmet technology aren't getting it done.
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