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  • IMHO, ANY of the top 4 QBs in 2018 would be a dramatic upgrade to ANY we have had since '99 save Tim Couch, who might be in this conversation had he been given anything to work with. We can't really lose with any of the 4, but I think 2 stand out intellectually. Those 2 are Rosen & Mayfield. I could be wrong, but those 2 guys seem to be the total packages of physical & mental skills required to lead & excel at the QB position. Physical attributes are only PART of the equation.

    I'll accept & support any QB Dorsey & Co bring in, but I would be ELATED with Mayfield and/or Rosen (listed alphabetically).

    Just an old guys opinion.

    Mike   

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @canton-mike said:

    IMHO, ANY of the top 4 QBs in 2018 would be a dramatic upgrade to ANY we have had since '99...

    Three out of four is as high as I can go...

    ... and with two "dramtic" gets iffy...

    .. and then there's the issue of when...

  • S SD_Tom wrote on last edited by
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    Tyrod will be a big improvement over most of the QB's we've had. The #1 pick better be a franchise changer

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    http://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/report-cleveland-browns-down-to-sam-darnold-or-josh-allen-for-no-1-pick-in-2018-nfl-draft/95-532550293

    Report: Cleveland Browns down to Sam Darnold or Josh Allen for No. 1 pick in 2018 NFL Draft

    With one month to go until the draft, the Browns appear to have narrowed their quarterback decision to two.
  • Man, that's so funny because I'd go with just the opposite.  Allen then Darnold.  Rosen has been injured way too much and doesn't want to be here.  Mayfield is way too short and would be just another Manziel (slightly better).  Great in college, but not at the NFL level.  

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    @dawg2fan said:

    Man, that's so funny because I'd go with just the opposite.  Allen then Darnold.  Rosen has been injured way too much and doesn't want to be here.  Mayfield is way too short and would be just another Manziel (slightly better).  Great in college, but not at the NFL level.  

     That's how I see it. They have the highest ceilings, with the love for the game, work ethic, toughness and leadership to match success in the NFL.

      Second tier is Mayfield, and Rudolph.

    Third tier - all the rest, except for Rosen - I don't see the hype and the lone criteria of completion %, given that he had plenty of seniors around him, his LT in the first round, his center drawing attention in a later round...etc etc.

    Speaking of third tier, Jackson is going to be amazing to watch - but I just don't know for how long, and how much success he'll have.

    Maybe the Seahawks draft him?

  • @dawg2fan said:

    Man, that's so funny because I'd go with just the opposite.  Allen then Darnold.  Rosen has been injured way too much and doesn't want to be here.  Mayfield is way too short and would be just another Manziel (slightly better).  Great in college, but not at the NFL level.  

     That's how I see it. They have the highest ceilings, with the love for the game, work ethic, toughness and leadership to match success in the NFL.

      Second tier is Mayfield, and Rudolph.

    Third tier - all the rest, except for Rosen - I don't see the hype and the lone criteria of completion %, given that he had plenty of seniors around him, his LT in the first round, his center drawing attention in a later round...etc etc.

    Speaking of third tier, Jackson is going to be amazing to watch - but I just don't know for how long, and how much success he'll have.

    Maybe the Seahawks draft him?

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @calfoxwc said:

     That's how I see it. They have the highest ceilings, with the love for the game, work ethic, toughness and leadership to match success in the NFL.

      Second tier is Mayfield, and Rudolph.

    Third tier - all the rest, except for Rosen - I don't see the hype and the lone criteria of completion %, given that he had plenty of seniors around him, his LT in the first round, his center drawing attention in a later round...etc etc.

    Speaking of third tier, Jackson is going to be amazing to watch - but I just don't know for how long, and how much success he'll have.

    Maybe the Seahawks draft him?

    huh? 

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    Keith Britton‏Verified account @KeithBritton86

    .@KenCarman on #Browns No. 1 pick: “I’ve talked to several people over there, it’s just about settled, it’s Sam Darnold. I’ll put my reputation on it. It’s gonna be Sam Darnold.”

    3:48 AM - 28 Mar 2018
  • @calfoxwc said:

     That's how I see it. They have the highest ceilings, with the love for the game, work ethic, toughness and leadership to match success in the NFL.

      Second tier is Mayfield, and Rudolph.

    Third tier - all the rest, except for Rosen - I don't see the hype and the lone criteria of completion %, given that he had plenty of seniors around him, his LT in the first round, his center drawing attention in a later round...etc etc.

    Speaking of third tier, Jackson is going to be amazing to watch - but I just don't know for how long, and how much success he'll have.

    Maybe the Seahawks draft him?

    huh? 

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    huh? 

    Kolton Miller - predicted first round in plenty of mocks.

    https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2018/1/29/16945588/kolton-miller-2018-nfl-draft-prospect-offensive-tackle-ucla-pac-12

    Projected: Top-15

    Pro Comparison: Jake Matthews - Atlanta Falcons

  • S SD_Tom wrote on last edited by
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    They are high on crack thinking he'll be in top 15. 

  • http://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/report-cleveland-browns-down-to-sam-darnold-or-josh-allen-for-no-1-pick-in-2018-nfl-draft/95-532550293

    Report: Cleveland Browns down to Sam Darnold or Josh Allen for No. 1 pick in 2018 NFL Draft

    With one month to go until the draft, the Browns appear to have narrowed their quarterback decision to two.
    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @calfoxwc said:

    http://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/report-cleveland-browns-down-to-sam-darnold-or-josh-allen-for-no-1-pick-in-2018-nfl-draft/95-532550293

    Report: Cleveland Browns down to Sam Darnold or Josh Allen for No. 1 pick in 2018 NFL Draft

    With one month to go until the draft, the Browns appear to have narrowed their quarterback decision to two.

     Hue essentially said- "it's not decided yet".  ^^^^ Click bait- all 4 are still being evaluated. Dorsey said going back, plenty to think about. Why would the Browns even bother bringing in Rosen and Mayfield, if it's narrowed down to Darnold or Allen? I doubt they'd waste that much time just to muddy the waters.   

  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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    Source is w"ky"c. With ky in it, sounds like a good followup for Seinfeld's "spongeworthy".😛  

    All we got was Allen and a case of ky from Mel "Ky"per😁

  • @dawg2fan said:

    Man, that's so funny because I'd go with just the opposite.  Allen then Darnold.  Rosen has been injured way too much and doesn't want to be here.  Mayfield is way too short and would be just another Manziel (slightly better).  Great in college, but not at the NFL level.  

     That's how I see it. They have the highest ceilings, with the love for the game, work ethic, toughness and leadership to match success in the NFL.

      Second tier is Mayfield, and Rudolph.

    Third tier - all the rest, except for Rosen - I don't see the hype and the lone criteria of completion %, given that he had plenty of seniors around him, his LT in the first round, his center drawing attention in a later round...etc etc.

    Speaking of third tier, Jackson is going to be amazing to watch - but I just don't know for how long, and how much success he'll have.

    Maybe the Seahawks draft him?

    dawg2fanD dawg2fan wrote on last edited by
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    @calfoxwc said:

     That's how I see it. They have the highest ceilings, with the love for the game, work ethic, toughness and leadership to match success in the NFL.

      Second tier is Mayfield, and Rudolph.

    Third tier - all the rest, except for Rosen - I don't see the hype and the lone criteria of completion %, given that he had plenty of seniors around him, his LT in the first round, his center drawing attention in a later round...etc etc.

    Speaking of third tier, Jackson is going to be amazing to watch - but I just don't know for how long, and how much success he'll have.

    Maybe the Seahawks draft him?

    Agree with all points Cal.  I think Jackson is a bit small,  not as much girth as Russell Wilson.  Just don't see him lasting in the NFL.  He might get a shot at QB, but I see him serving better as a receiver.

  • At least Mayfield was great in college.  Allen was barely average.

    dawg2fanD dawg2fan wrote on last edited by
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    @mark-o said:

    At least Mayfield was great in college.  Allen was barely average.

    Means nothing in the NFL.  If Allen get's to sit behind Taylor (and he should), he can be one of the greats.  When was the last time the Browns could say we drafted a QB and let him sit and learn?  I mean really sit and learn.  

  • @mark-o said:

    At least Mayfield was great in college.  Allen was barely average.

    Means nothing in the NFL.  If Allen get's to sit behind Taylor (and he should), he can be one of the greats.  When was the last time the Browns could say we drafted a QB and let him sit and learn?  I mean really sit and learn.  

    NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by Nero
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    @dawg2fan said:

    I mean really sit and learn.  

    Like when you have a very willing but really stupid classmate and you tell him 'Hey, leave that to us, you just sit and learn'?

  • @dawg2fan said:

    I mean really sit and learn.  

    Like when you have a very willing but really stupid classmate and you tell him 'Hey, leave that to us, you just sit and learn'?

    dawg2fanD dawg2fan wrote on last edited by
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    @nero said:

    Like when you have a very willing but really stupid classmate and you tell him 'Hey, leave that, to us, you just sit and learn'?

    Yeah, I suppose that works.  😁

  • At least Mayfield was great in college.  Allen was barely average.

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    @mark-o said:

    At least Mayfield was great in college.  Allen was barely average.

    On the 35th anniversary of the quarterback class of 1983 I'm looking forward to the eh class of 2018.

    Who knows there might be one better than average one! Maybe.  (don't take a poll on that one here 😆 )

  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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    I think it will be Darnold.  But you never know.

  • @mark-o said:

    At least Mayfield was great in college.  Allen was barely average.

    Means nothing in the NFL.  If Allen get's to sit behind Taylor (and he should), he can be one of the greats.  When was the last time the Browns could say we drafted a QB and let him sit and learn?  I mean really sit and learn.  

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
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    @dawg2fan said:

    Means nothing in the NFL.  If Allen get's to sit behind Taylor (and he should), he can be one of the greats.  When was the last time the Browns could say we drafted a QB and let him sit and learn?  I mean really sit and learn.  

    It means nothing?   So based on that, we could pick Christian Chapman instead of Allen because he's going to "sit and learn".   He's an average QB from the mountain west conference, why aren't we talking about drafting him in round 1?

  • @calfoxwc said:

    http://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/report-cleveland-browns-down-to-sam-darnold-or-josh-allen-for-no-1-pick-in-2018-nfl-draft/95-532550293

    Report: Cleveland Browns down to Sam Darnold or Josh Allen for No. 1 pick in 2018 NFL Draft

    With one month to go until the draft, the Browns appear to have narrowed their quarterback decision to two.

     Hue essentially said- "it's not decided yet".  ^^^^ Click bait- all 4 are still being evaluated. Dorsey said going back, plenty to think about. Why would the Browns even bother bringing in Rosen and Mayfield, if it's narrowed down to Darnold or Allen? I doubt they'd waste that much time just to muddy the waters.   

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    @hoorta said:

     Hue essentially said- "it's not decided yet".  ^^^^ Click bait- all 4 are still being evaluated. Dorsey said going back, plenty to think about. Why would the Browns even bother bringing in Rosen and Mayfield, if it's narrowed down to Darnold or Allen? I doubt they'd waste that much time just to muddy the waters.   

      It isn't unheard of to bring in players to get an idea about, for trade proposal perspective from other teams. As in,

    this is guy is high on their list - we can get more from them

  • @dawg2fan said:

    Means nothing in the NFL.  If Allen get's to sit behind Taylor (and he should), he can be one of the greats.  When was the last time the Browns could say we drafted a QB and let him sit and learn?  I mean really sit and learn.  

    It means nothing?   So based on that, we could pick Christian Chapman instead of Allen because he's going to "sit and learn".   He's an average QB from the mountain west conference, why aren't we talking about drafting him in round 1?

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    @mark-o said:

    It means nothing?   So based on that, we could pick Christian Chapman instead of Allen because he's going to "sit and learn".   He's an average QB from the mountain west conference, why aren't we talking about drafting him in round 1?

    Chapman isn't in the draft til 2019. He's shorter than Mayfield...

  • @dawg2fan said:

    Means nothing in the NFL.  If Allen get's to sit behind Taylor (and he should), he can be one of the greats.  When was the last time the Browns could say we drafted a QB and let him sit and learn?  I mean really sit and learn.  

    It means nothing?   So based on that, we could pick Christian Chapman instead of Allen because he's going to "sit and learn".   He's an average QB from the mountain west conference, why aren't we talking about drafting him in round 1?

    dawg2fanD dawg2fan wrote on last edited by
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    @mark-o said:

    It means nothing?   So based on that, we could pick Christian Chapman instead of Allen because he's going to "sit and learn".   He's an average QB from the mountain west conference, why aren't we talking about drafting him in round 1?

    The top 4 quarterbacks being discussed are Mayfield, Allen, Rosen, and Darnold according the experts.  I assume you knew this.