Heisman winners and the Draft
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There are two Heisman Trophy winners that will be taken somewhere in this upcoming draft. Here is the fate of all previous Heisman Winners:
Heisman Trophy Winners
Heisman Drafted Round Pick Player Name Team Position College Hall
of Fame2017 0 0 0 Baker Mayfield QB Oklahoma 2016 0 0 0 Lamar Jackson QB Louisville 2015 2016 2 14 45 Derrick Henry Titans RB Alabama 2014 2015 1 2 2 Marcus Mariota Titans QB Oregon 2013 2015 1 1 1 Jameis Winston Buccaneers QB Florida State 2012 2014 1 22 22 Johnny Manziel Browns QB Texas A&M 2011 2012 1 2 2 Robert Griffin III Redskins QB Baylor 2010 2011 1 1 1 Cam Newton Panthers QB Auburn 2009 2011 1 28 28 Mark Ingram Saints RB Alabama 2008 2010 1 1 1 Sam Bradford Rams QB Oklahoma 2007 2010 1 25 25 Tim Tebow Broncos QB Florida 2006 2007 5 37 174 Troy Smith Ravens QB Ohio State 2005 2006 1 2 2 Reggie Bush Saints RB USC 2004 2006 1 10 10 Matt Leinart Cardinals QB USC 2003 0 0 0 Jason White QB Oklahoma 2002 2003 1 1 1 Carson Palmer Bengals QB USC 2001 2002 3 30 95 Eric Crouch Rams WR Nebraska 2000 2001 4 11 106 Chris Weinke Panthers QB Florida State 1999 2000 1 11 11 Ron Dayne Giants RB Wisconsin 1998 1999 1 5 5 Ricky Williams Saints RB Texas 1997 1998 1 4 4 Charles Woodson Raiders DB Michigan 1996 1997 4 3 99 Danny Wuerffel Saints QB Florida 1995 1996 1 14 14 Eddie George Oilers RB Ohio State 1994 1995 1 21 21 Rashaan Salaam Bears RB Colorado 1993 0 0 0 Charlie Ward QB Florida State 1992 1993 7 24 192 Gino Torretta Vikings QB Miami (FL) 1991 1992 1 4 4 Desmond Howard Redskins WR Michigan 1990 1992 9 6 230 Ty Detmer Packers QB Brigham Young 1989 1990 1 7 7 Andre Ware Lions QB Houston 1988 1989 1 3 3 Barry Sanders Lions RB Oklahoma State 2004 1987 1988 1 6 6 Tim Brown Raiders WR Notre Dame 2015 1986 1987 1 1 1 Vinny Testaverde Buccaneers QB Miami (FL) 1985 1987 7 15 183 Bo Jackson Raiders RB Auburn 1985 1986 1 1 1 Bo Jackson Buccaneers RB Auburn 1984 1985 11 5 285 Doug Flutie Rams QB Boston College 1983 1984u 1 2 2 Mike Rozier Oilers RB Nebraska 1982 1985 5 2 114 Herschel Walker Cowboys RB Georgia 1981 1982 1 10 10 Marcus Allen Raiders RB USC 2003 1980 1981 1 1 1 George Rogers Saints RB South Carolina 1979 1980 1 27 27 Charles White Browns RB USC 1978 1980 1 1 1 Billy Sims Lions RB Oklahoma 1977 1978 1 1 1 Earl Campbell Oilers RB Texas 1991 1976 1977 1 2 2 Tony Dorsett Cowboys RB Pittsburgh 1994 1974 and 1975 1976 1 24 24 Archie Griffin Bengals RB Ohio State 1973 1974 1 11 11 John Cappelletti Rams RB Penn State 1972 1973 1 25 25 Johnny Rodgers Chargers WR Nebraska 1971 1972 2 14 40 Pat Sullivan Falcons QB Auburn 1970 1971 1 1 1 Jim Plunkett Patriots QB Stanford 1969 1970 1 19 19 Steve Owens Lions RB Oklahoma 1968 1969 1 1 1 O.J. Simpson Bills RB USC 1985 1967 1968 2 3 30 Gary Beban Rams QB UCLA 1966 1967 1 3 3 Steve Spurrier 49ers QB Florida 1965 1966 20 0 0 Mike Garrett Chiefs RB USC 1964 1965 2 0 0 John Huarte Jets QB Notre Dame 1963 1964 10 3 129 Roger Staubach Cowboys QB Navy 1985 1962 1963 1 1 1 Terry Baker Rams QB Oregon State 1961 1962 1 1 1 Ernie Davis Redskins RB Syracuse 1960 1961 19 0 0 Joe Bellino Patriots RB Navy 1959 1960 1 1 1 Billy Cannon Rams RB Louisiana State 1958 0 0 0 Pete Dawkins RB Army 1957 1958 1 2 2 John David Crow Cardinals RB Texas A&M 1956 1957 1 1 1 Paul Hornung Packers RB Notre Dame 1986 1955 1956 1 3 3 Howard (Hopalong) Cassady Lions RB Ohio State 1954 1955 1 3 3 Alan (The Horse) Ameche Colts RB Wisconsin 1953 1954 1 7 7 John Lattner Steelers RB Notre Dame 1952 1953 1 2 2 Billy Vessels Colts RB Oklahoma 1951 1952 15 7 176 finger Kazmaier Bears B Princeton 1950 1952 7 6 79 Vic Janowicz Redskins RB Ohio State 1949 1950 1 1 1 Leon Hart Lions E Notre Dame 1948 1949 1 3 3 Doak Walker Yanks RB Southern Methodist 1986 1947 1946 1 4 4 Johnny Lujack Bears QB Notre Dame 1946 1947 1 2 2 Glenn Davis Lions RB Army 1945 1946 1 3 3 Felix (Doc) Blanchard Steelers B Army 1944 1943 6 5 45 Les Horvath Rams QB Ohio State 1943 1944 1 1 1 Angelo Bertelli Yanks QB Notre Dame 1942 1943 1 1 1 Frank Sinkwich Lions RB Georgia 1941 1942 13 9 119 Bruce Smith Packers RB Minnesota 1940 1941 1 1 1 Tom Harmon Bears B Michigan 1939 1940 2 4 14 Nile Kinnick Dodgers B Iowa 1938 1939 1 4 4 Davey O'Brien Eagles QB Texas Christian 1937 1938 12 6 106 Clint Frank Lions RB Yale 1936 1937 9 7 87 Larry Kelley Lions E Yale 1935 1936 1 1 1 Jay Berwanger Eagles B Chicago -
Notes:
1. It looks like 7 Heisman winners were never drafted. (sometimes it is hard to figure out the number above):
Most recently, Jason White and Charlie Ward. Not sure what happened with Mike Garrett...though I think that the AFL draft got him, and so all NFL teams passed. Maybe something similar with Huarte. Dawkins and Bellino were Army and Navy guys, so their military commitments shied teams away. That is why Staubach was not taken until round 10. A future bet that paid off there.
2. It looks like 20...if my count is right, were taken #1 overall. Most recently Winston.
3. In ten drafts....make this year 11...there were 2 Heisman winners eligible to be drafted in the same draft.
4. Nine Heisman winners have made the PFHOF....the last being Tim Brown in 2015. It looks likely that Charles Woodson may be the only one out there that will likely make HOF. Palmer borderline, but likely not. Newton has a fair chance if he continues on as is. Others too soon to tell.
5. The Heisman winner drafted the latest....of those drafted, is Doug Flutie, #285 overall. (but note, Ward and White not drafted). Flutie ended up being better than #285. Ward and White did not even play in the NFL.
6. I see they had Eric Crouch listed as a WR. ...but he played QB in college. Maybe Lamar Jackson should take a clue.
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Does the Heisman Curse still live is the question?
Well....just take since 2000. Two: Carson Palmer/Cam Newton....no jinx. RBs Bush and Ingram.....OK pro careers. Mariota, Winston, Henry....a bit too soon perhaps.
But, of 17 Heisman winners drafted so far: Dayne, Weinke, Crouch, Tebow, Smith, White, Leinert, Griffin, Manziel....almost zero from these guys. ..that is over half. Bradford and Griffin have had injury issues.
Like I said, only 2 out of 17 proven quality pro players. Depending on what you think of Bush/Ingram.
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A much as I've heard about Archie Griffin and his Ohio State career, what exactly happened to him in the pros? Injuries? Topped out athletically in college?
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A much as I've heard about Archie Griffin and his Ohio State career, what exactly happened to him in the pros? Injuries? Topped out athletically in college?
A much as I've heard about Archie Griffin and his Ohio State career, what exactly happened to him in the pros? Injuries? Topped out athletically in college?
Considered to have had a mediocre pro career. Seven years, 2800 yards rushing....total of 4415 with receiving yards. He was actually a pretty good receiver out of the backfield for his day.
Rushing & Receiving
Games Rushing Receiving Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 98 57 691 2808 7 77 4.1 28.7 7.1 192 1607 8.4 6 52 2.0 16.4 4415 13 15 41 1976 22 CIN RB 45 14 14 138 625 3 77 4.5 44.6 9.9 16 138 8.6 0 23 1.1 9.9 0.0% 763 3 2 8 1977 23 CIN RB 45 12 11 137 549 0 31 4.0 45.8 11.4 28 240 8.6 0 24 2.3 20.0 0.0% 789 0 3 8 1978 24 CIN RB 45 16 8 132 484 0 30 3.7 30.3 8.3 35 284 8.1 3 27 2.2 17.8 0.0% 768 3 6 5 1979 25 CIN RB 45 16 15 140 688 0 63 4.9 43.0 8.8 43 417 9.7 2 52 2.7 26.1 0.0% 1105 2 3 10 1980 26 CIN rb 45 15 7 85 260 0 14 3.1 17.3 5.7 28 196 7.0 0 19 1.9 13.1 0.0% 456 0 1 3 1981 27 CIN rb 45 16 2 47 163 3 23 3.5 10.2 2.9 20 160 8.0 1 17 1.3 10.0 0.0% 323 4 0 3 1982 28 CIN 45 9 0 12 39 1 10 3.3 4.3 1.3 22 172 7.8 0 22 2.4 19.1 0.0% 211 1 0 4 -
Notes:
1. It looks like 7 Heisman winners were never drafted. (sometimes it is hard to figure out the number above):
Most recently, Jason White and Charlie Ward. Not sure what happened with Mike Garrett...though I think that the AFL draft got him, and so all NFL teams passed. Maybe something similar with Huarte. Dawkins and Bellino were Army and Navy guys, so their military commitments shied teams away. That is why Staubach was not taken until round 10. A future bet that paid off there.
2. It looks like 20...if my count is right, were taken #1 overall. Most recently Winston.
3. In ten drafts....make this year 11...there were 2 Heisman winners eligible to be drafted in the same draft.
4. Nine Heisman winners have made the PFHOF....the last being Tim Brown in 2015. It looks likely that Charles Woodson may be the only one out there that will likely make HOF. Palmer borderline, but likely not. Newton has a fair chance if he continues on as is. Others too soon to tell.
5. The Heisman winner drafted the latest....of those drafted, is Doug Flutie, #285 overall. (but note, Ward and White not drafted). Flutie ended up being better than #285. Ward and White did not even play in the NFL.
6. I see they had Eric Crouch listed as a WR. ...but he played QB in college. Maybe Lamar Jackson should take a clue.
4. Nine Heisman winners have made the PFHOF....the last being Tim Brown in 2015. It looks likely that Charles Woodson may be the only one out there that will likely make HOF. Palmer borderline, but likely not. Newton has a fair chance if he continues on as is. Others too soon to tell.
That's a key point since the 1988 Award Barry Sanders none have made the HOF still early but not many on that list have a chance.
Heisman might be the best or most exciting college player, generally a quarterback but that year but is no guarantee of success in the professional game. Curse? Probably not just not a good indicator.
A better indicator would be an award like The Best Pro Prospect Award, I'd bet it would be far more successful and would include a lot more non-quarterback prospects.
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Zombo said:
I forgot Eric Crouch won the Heisman. Or even existed.
Zombo
He was on the roster of the Rams initially, then on the Chiefs roster.....but never played in a game with either of them.
He did have cups of coffee in NFL Europe, and in the CFL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Crouch
But still....his brief playing career was better than Jason White:
Despite his strong college career, White was not selected in the 2005 NFL Draft and did not receive a tryout from any NFL team in the first several weeks of post-draft free agency. White became just the third Heisman Trophy winner not to be drafted in the NFL after Pete Dawkins instead chose a military career and Charlie Ward chose a career in the NBA. He did eventually receive a tryout from the Kansas City Chiefs, who opted not to sign him. Eventually the Tennessee Titans signed him as an undrafted free agent in 2005 for two years,[9] but White decided to quit professional football, citing weak knees. White has expressed an interest in coaching. [10]
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Zombo said:
I forgot Eric Crouch won the Heisman. Or even existed.
Zombo
He was on the roster of the Rams initially, then on the Chiefs roster.....but never played in a game with either of them.
He did have cups of coffee in NFL Europe, and in the CFL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Crouch
But still....his brief playing career was better than Jason White:
Despite his strong college career, White was not selected in the 2005 NFL Draft and did not receive a tryout from any NFL team in the first several weeks of post-draft free agency. White became just the third Heisman Trophy winner not to be drafted in the NFL after Pete Dawkins instead chose a military career and Charlie Ward chose a career in the NBA. He did eventually receive a tryout from the Kansas City Chiefs, who opted not to sign him. Eventually the Tennessee Titans signed him as an undrafted free agent in 2005 for two years,[9] but White decided to quit professional football, citing weak knees. White has expressed an interest in coaching. [10]
He was on the roster of the Rams initially, then on the Chiefs roster.....but never played in a game with either of them.
He did have cups of coffee in NFL Europe, and in the CFL.
Was NFL Europe a step up or down from the CFL? Actually I used to watch it occasionally.
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He was on the roster of the Rams initially, then on the Chiefs roster.....but never played in a game with either of them.
He did have cups of coffee in NFL Europe, and in the CFL.
Was NFL Europe a step up or down from the CFL? Actually I used to watch it occasionally.
Was NFL Europe a step up or down from the CFL? Actually I used to watch it occasionally.
Good question, don't really know....but I thought it was a step up. It was used as a sort of minor league for the NFL. But apparently revenues for it did not match expenses, do it was folded by the NFL. I don't think the NFL wanted any part of any operation they were associated with to lose any money at all.....no matter how few farthings it was. That was my conclusion as to why the NFL Europe closed.
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The NFL Europe WAS used as a developmental league by the NFL....and here recently the idea of the NFL needing a developmental league has gotten a lot of steam. Here is an article. Basically it says it was money....that the NFL was losing 30 million a year on the league (hell...nowadays they lose that on a couple of bad QBs)....but that something similar may be revived here, not "over there", with more cost controls.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/23/you-didnt-play-to-get-rich-what-killed-nfl-europe
There is supposed to be a new XFL.
Also this Alliance of American Football.
These could be the new developmental leagues to replace NFL Europe.
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One other note from the first post:
Johnny Manziel and Charles White have been the only Heisman Trophy winners drafted by the Browns.
Will that still be it after this draft? Or do the Browns have a BM in their future? (Baker Mayfield...not Bowel Movement.....but then....if the Browns do take Mayfield....and he busts per his 50/50 chance to do so...it will be a BM)
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