POLL: When will Baker start?
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first off, this idea that mayfield definately sits the whole first year out of some kind of pre-camp plan is lunacy.
If baker doesn't beat out tyrod for the starting spot, that means one of two things:
1) in the middle of his career tyrod just made some unprecedented leap that nobody expected
2) Mayfield isn't showing much
Look, mayfield is a 23 year old guy who spent 5 years in college and has a bazillion games of major college experience. He's not some raw project. Im not saying he will/should start game 1, but in all likelihood he will take over the starting role this year. And if he doesnt thats a bad sign.
I also dont think we will have to wait that long to see how mayfields game translates to the nfl.
I think counting on mayfield to be 'the guy' for the next decade is far from a sure thing/even good bet. But we'll see....and I think we will see pretty soon.
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I'll be shocked (as of today) if Mayfield hasn't started by the bye week, which is after the 10th game.
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first off, this idea that mayfield definately sits the whole first year out of some kind of pre-camp plan is lunacy.
If baker doesn't beat out tyrod for the starting spot, that means one of two things:
1) in the middle of his career tyrod just made some unprecedented leap that nobody expected
2) Mayfield isn't showing much
Look, mayfield is a 23 year old guy who spent 5 years in college and has a bazillion games of major college experience. He's not some raw project. Im not saying he will/should start game 1, but in all likelihood he will take over the starting role this year. And if he doesnt thats a bad sign.
I also dont think we will have to wait that long to see how mayfields game translates to the nfl.
I think counting on mayfield to be 'the guy' for the next decade is far from a sure thing/even good bet. But we'll see....and I think we will see pretty soon.
first off, this idea that mayfield definately sits the whole first year out of some kind of pre-camp plan is lunacy.
If baker doesn't beat out tyrod for the starting spot, that means one of two things:
1) in the middle of his career tyrod just made some unprecedented leap that nobody expected
2) Mayfield isn't showing much
Look, mayfield is a 23 year old guy who spent 5 years in college and has a bazillion games of major college experience. He's not some raw project. Im not saying he will/should start game 1, but in all likelihood he will take over the starting role this year. And if he doesnt thats a bad sign.
I also dont think we will have to wait that long to see how mayfields game translates to the nfl.
I think counting on mayfield to be 'the guy' for the next decade is far from a sure thing/even good bet. But we'll see....and I think we will see pretty soon.
I don't see it that anything was said about Bakers sitting the whole season. Where did you read that?
My understanding is there is no camp competition. TT is going to start from the get go, Stanton is the back-up.
If things are going well, Baker might not get in, if not, I'd say late Oct, early Nov. might be about right. Baker might not even be active the first 3-4 weeks.
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i don't think browns fans will have long to wait before seeing mayfield with tyrod's injury history.
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Its Tyrods to lose. Unless people are at all the training camps and see a Mayfield above and beyond the best qb of the group. Then he will sit for a while. If TT gets injured Stanton has to start, Baker will get the very next start. Seems like every year the back up breaks something as soon as they are put in. Hues coaching career is on the line with this year, he has been given some really good weapons and a coordinator. He personslly doesnt want to rush Baker unless he sees Brees/Wislon right away in camp.
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Week 1, 2019
I think Tyrod is better than some of your are giving him credit for
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Would Taylor be satisfied to stay in Cleveland as our backup QB? Or, will he split once Mayfield takes the job? If he does leave who is the backup then? Do we specifically go and draft a backup QB next year? It'll definitely be different to have a QB that we have for more than a year or two, one that we can build around and move forward- good or bad- with.
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Week 1, 2019
I think Tyrod is better than some of your are giving him credit for
I think you haven't been paying attention to how the Browns do things...
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Baker will play at the NYG,BUFF.(cal get your tickets Now
)Philly & at Detroit..In Pre-Season..After that, Get use to seeing his name on Inactive List..(he's got NFL work to do)
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Week 1, 2019
I think Tyrod is better than some of your are giving him credit for
I think you haven't been paying attention to how the Browns do things...
I think you haven't been paying attention to how the Browns do things...
or how any teams do things...
#1 overall(or hell just high round 1 in general) qbs dont sit the whole year anymore....they sit a few games, if that
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This is the same line of thought I initiated the Mayfield Mayehm thread. Redundant.
As I replied to Orion, you can create your little scenarios about how we should proceed... blah, blah. blah.. let tie rod do this....then let Mayfield do this......
Sorry, but you just cannot predict when Baker will start. There are a ton of variables involved and nobody here knows when the right time will be. Not even the coaches nor Dorsey know that. All this bullschidt about starting him when he is ready is absolute Browns, self-deprecating, annual stupidity.
If Mayfield shows up Tie Rod in camp and preseason, that means he is better. Period. It doesn't matter what his experience level is........... if he beats Tie Rod then CLEARLY, Tie Rod's "experience" doesn't amount to a hill of schidt. How much NFL experience did Sipe have when he rescued the Browns? How much " mentoring" did Brady have? Is the ideal situation to let Tie Rod help build the team, maybe win 7 or 8 games and then hand it off to Mayfield? Yeah.....for you pussies.
It doesn't matter if you think Mayfield is ready or not. If the Browns are 0 - 7, Haslam will face testicular amputation. NOBODY is going to put up for another year like that. We go 0 - a bunch, Mayfiled is going to be baptized by fire. That's just how it works. Nobody in their right mind sits their better QB. YOu can slobber all you want about the pro set, and blah blah blah, but football is the game even a mental moron (Kosar) can master. It is 99% athleticism and natural instinct. If Mayfield is the schidt................. nobody in their right mind is going to play Tie Rod Tarlenton.
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I don't know if some of you guys are Millennials and Gen-Xs or what, but honestly, and I mean this respectfully, a lot of this tentative Baker stuff is really lacking testosterone and courage.
Baptism by fire doesn't ruin Quarterbacks. In only fast forwards the timeline for exposing schidt QBs. I disagree with Hoorta that Browns fans are impatient. 1 - 32 and we still show up? Schidt since 1999...................and we are impatient? WTF?
Look, if you are one of these people who believes in sitting a QB for a year to let him learn and develop, then honestly, you have to be critical of Dorsey. If bringing up a QB methodically was Dorsey's plan, then he should not have drafted a QB this year. He should have let Tie Rod establish himself with the team. He should have let all these new cats gel together, and THEN brought in a young QB in 2019, once the team was stabilized.
What we have to hope for is that the Browns come out an knock out a few wins, 2-6 at the split is not going to do it. 3 - 5 guarantees that the fans will accept the new regime's results as FINALLY being on the right track. I don't know what the 0 - ? number is, but God Forbid the Browns proceed 0-1 0-2 up to 0- something disgusting, Mayfield is going to start. There is just no way around it.
At that point, he either rises up as a savior, or fails amid a new argument of whether or not the Browns threw him to the dogs, or if he just wasn't big enough for the NFL.
Either way, the path to whether Baker is allowed to sit and be groomed will be directly proportional to whether or not Tie Rod can engineer some wins and create a team we care to watch.
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Week 1, 2019
I think Tyrod is better than some of your are giving him credit for
I agree with that sentiment. I don't think the guy sucks by any stretch of the imagination. I do wonder what it was about him that made Buffalo so eager to dump him. Maybe whatever quarterbacking problems we had last year will at least seem a little bit better this year with him.
On the other hand sometimes I wonder what a kid can learn sitting on the bench as opposed to getting tossed into the fire. Not sure whether that hurt Kizer or if he was just not up to it.
WSS
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I don't know if some of you guys are Millennials and Gen-Xs or what, but honestly, and I mean this respectfully, a lot of this tentative Baker stuff is really lacking testosterone and courage.
Baptism by fire doesn't ruin Quarterbacks. In only fast forwards the timeline for exposing schidt QBs. I disagree with Hoorta that Browns fans are impatient. 1 - 32 and we still show up? Schidt since 1999...................and we are impatient? WTF?
Look, if you are one of these people who believes in sitting a QB for a year to let him learn and develop, then honestly, you have to be critical of Dorsey. If bringing up a QB methodically was Dorsey's plan, then he should not have drafted a QB this year. He should have let Tie Rod establish himself with the team. He should have let all these new cats gel together, and THEN brought in a young QB in 2019, once the team was stabilized.
What we have to hope for is that the Browns come out an knock out a few wins, 2-6 at the split is not going to do it. 3 - 5 guarantees that the fans will accept the new regime's results as FINALLY being on the right track. I don't know what the 0 - ? number is, but God Forbid the Browns proceed 0-1 0-2 up to 0- something disgusting, Mayfield is going to start. There is just no way around it.
At that point, he either rises up as a savior, or fails amid a new argument of whether or not the Browns threw him to the dogs, or if he just wasn't big enough for the NFL.
Either way, the path to whether Baker is allowed to sit and be groomed will be directly proportional to whether or not Tie Rod can engineer some wins and create a team we care to watch.
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Kizer was thrown into the fire with literally no help for over half of a season.
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My guess is week 11 after the bye unless Tyrod is killing it.
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This is the same line of thought I initiated the Mayfield Mayehm thread. Redundant.
As I replied to Orion, you can create your little scenarios about how we should proceed... blah, blah. blah.. let tie rod do this....then let Mayfield do this......
Sorry, but you just cannot predict when Baker will start. There are a ton of variables involved and nobody here knows when the right time will be. Not even the coaches nor Dorsey know that. All this bullschidt about starting him when he is ready is absolute Browns, self-deprecating, annual stupidity.
If Mayfield shows up Tie Rod in camp and preseason, that means he is better. Period. It doesn't matter what his experience level is........... if he beats Tie Rod then CLEARLY, Tie Rod's "experience" doesn't amount to a hill of schidt. How much NFL experience did Sipe have when he rescued the Browns? How much " mentoring" did Brady have? Is the ideal situation to let Tie Rod help build the team, maybe win 7 or 8 games and then hand it off to Mayfield? Yeah.....for you pussies.
It doesn't matter if you think Mayfield is ready or not. If the Browns are 0 - 7, Haslam will face testicular amputation. NOBODY is going to put up for another year like that. We go 0 - a bunch, Mayfiled is going to be baptized by fire. That's just how it works. Nobody in their right mind sits their better QB. YOu can slobber all you want about the pro set, and blah blah blah, but football is the game even a mental moron (Kosar) can master. It is 99% athleticism and natural instinct. If Mayfield is the schidt................. nobody in their right mind is going to play Tie Rod Tarlenton.
Sorry, but you just cannot predict when Baker will start.
Then, a few lines (and taunts) later...
It doesn't matter if you think Mayfield is ready or not. If the Browns are 0 - 7, Haslam will face testicular amputation. NOBODY is going to put up for another year like that. We go 0 - a bunch, Mayfiled is going to be baptized by fire. That's just how it works.
Yepp. That was consistent.
It's offseason, the days after Draft gifts. You cannot ask a 1-35 team fans not to wonder when will they see their new toys in action.
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I don't know if some of you guys are Millennials and Gen-Xs or what, but honestly, and I mean this respectfully, a lot of this tentative Baker stuff is really lacking testosterone and courage.
Baptism by fire doesn't ruin Quarterbacks. In only fast forwards the timeline for exposing schidt QBs. I disagree with Hoorta that Browns fans are impatient. 1 - 32 and we still show up? Schidt since 1999...................and we are impatient? WTF?
Look, if you are one of these people who believes in sitting a QB for a year to let him learn and develop, then honestly, you have to be critical of Dorsey. If bringing up a QB methodically was Dorsey's plan, then he should not have drafted a QB this year. He should have let Tie Rod establish himself with the team. He should have let all these new cats gel together, and THEN brought in a young QB in 2019, once the team was stabilized.
What we have to hope for is that the Browns come out an knock out a few wins, 2-6 at the split is not going to do it. 3 - 5 guarantees that the fans will accept the new regime's results as FINALLY being on the right track. I don't know what the 0 - ? number is, but God Forbid the Browns proceed 0-1 0-2 up to 0- something disgusting, Mayfield is going to start. There is just no way around it.
At that point, he either rises up as a savior, or fails amid a new argument of whether or not the Browns threw him to the dogs, or if he just wasn't big enough for the NFL.
Either way, the path to whether Baker is allowed to sit and be groomed will be directly proportional to whether or not Tie Rod can engineer some wins and create a team we care to watch.
I don't know if some of you guys are Millennials and Gen-Xs or what, but honestly, and I mean this respectfully, a lot of this tentative Baker stuff is really lacking testosterone and courage.
Baptism by fire doesn't ruin Quarterbacks. In only fast forwards the timeline for exposing schidt QBs. I disagree with Hoorta that Browns fans are impatient. 1 - 32 and we still show up? Schidt since 1999...................and we are impatient? WTF?
Look, if you are one of these people who believes in sitting a QB for a year to let him learn and develop, then honestly, you have to be critical of Dorsey. If bringing up a QB methodically was Dorsey's plan, then he should not have drafted a QB this year. He should have let Tie Rod establish himself with the team. He should have let all these new cats gel together, and THEN brought in a young QB in 2019, once the team was stabilized.
What we have to hope for is that the Browns come out an knock out a few wins, 2-6 at the split is not going to do it. 3 - 5 guarantees that the fans will accept the new regime's results as FINALLY being on the right track. I don't know what the 0 - ? number is, but God Forbid the Browns proceed 0-1 0-2 up to 0- something disgusting, Mayfield is going to start. There is just no way around it.
At that point, he either rises up as a savior, or fails amid a new argument of whether or not the Browns threw him to the dogs, or if he just wasn't big enough for the NFL.
Either way, the path to whether Baker is allowed to sit and be groomed will be directly proportional to whether or not Tie Rod can engineer some wins and create a team we care to watch.
I just think the front office wants to try things different, not rush a qb like they have. I love your points on Baker and Taylor both being zero and zero with the playera and coaches we have. The only difference right now is the time Taylor has put in. Baker is our future and if he shows he is ready then maybe the last 4 or 5 games. If we are gonna be shitty, its not gonna be because of Tyrod.
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Look, the simple truth here is that you don't go from 0-16 to a playoff team. We've improved dramatically, but realistically by week 10-12 we'll but sitting at +/- 3 wins and out of the playoff hunt. Unless Taylor brings a whole new gear to his game, he'll prove to be exactly what the Browns need to this point in the season. Start the rook at this point and see what happens. Taylor is a pretty legitimate starter in this league and we actually for the first time in a decade have a plan in place to not throw a QB into the fire. That doesn't mean the guy you drafted #1 should ride the plan for 3 years, but let's get some stability in place first.
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