POLL: When will Baker start?
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I can see Mayfield as the #2 guy, the one snap away guy sooner than later especially since Cleveland has such a tough time attracting good FA QBs.
I was hoping for an A. Smith guy with Kizer and his one year as a professional QB as #1 & 2 but that sure never happened.
Let's hope this draft filled enough holes to be a serious team in 2019.
how about filling enough holes to be a serious team in 2018?
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The operative term used by Gooley what's the word camp. Nothing that Mayfield does in camp will be enough to show up tie rod Taylor. Only with Mayfield does in real NFL regular season games matters. If they think that he has developed enough then he may start to see the field somewhere around mid season. That should be earliest and it is only what he does in the regular season that matters
The problem is- the horrendous impatience of the majority of Browns fans. Let's get real- we're staring an 0-2 start to the season, and how many more losses will it take for the fans to start screaming for Baker the Savior to take over?
The problem is- the horrendous impatience of the majority of Browns fans. Let's get real- we're staring an 0-2 start to the season, and how many more losses will it take for the fans to start screaming for Baker the Savior to take over?
Let’s not forget the Hue factor.
The man is 1-31, and If Tyrod starts to flounder and the Browns are 0-4 or 0-5 out of the gate, I don’t think Hue will think twice about putting in Mayfield.
Especially if Mayfield is doing well in practice.
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The problem is- the horrendous impatience of the majority of Browns fans. Let's get real- we're staring an 0-2 start to the season, and how many more losses will it take for the fans to start screaming for Baker the Savior to take over?
Let’s not forget the Hue factor.
The man is 1-31, and If Tyrod starts to flounder and the Browns are 0-4 or 0-5 out of the gate, I don’t think Hue will think twice about putting in Mayfield.
Especially if Mayfield is doing well in practice.
Let’s not forget the Hue factor.
The man is 1-31, and If Tyrod starts to flounder and the Browns are 0-4 or 0-5 out of the gate, I don’t think Hue will think twice about putting in Mayfield.
Especially if Mayfield is doing well in practice.
It won't save his job if he starts out like that. JH may not want Hue to get his hands on his new prize possession and fuyuck him up.
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I can see Mayfield as the #2 guy, the one snap away guy sooner than later especially since Cleveland has such a tough time attracting good FA QBs.
I was hoping for an A. Smith guy with Kizer and his one year as a professional QB as #1 & 2 but that sure never happened.
Let's hope this draft filled enough holes to be a serious team in 2019.
how about filling enough holes to be a serious team in 2018?
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Think about it..
Darnold-20
Rosen-21
Jackson-21
Mayfield-23
Not saying that he is old by any means, but for a prospect who is gonna sit and learn, you would think they would of taken someone a year or two younger..
My prediction is he is starting by week 8 if we are out of it. Gotta see what you have if Tyrod and Stanton can't produce.
Your thoughts?
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Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers weren't starters until they were 25...
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No....Brian Sipe was drafted at the age of 23....then spent two years on the Taxi Squad.....then another couple of years playing here and there.
He did not become the Browns full time starter until age 27
....and he is still the Browns all time leader in games started, attempts, completions etc.
It is not too late:
Passing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 125 112 57-55-0 1944 3439 56.5 23713 154 4.5 149 4.3 74 6.9 5.8 12.2 189.7 74.8 224 1889 5.96 4.97 6.1 17 23 88 1974 25 CLE qb 17 10 5 2-3-0 59 108 54.6 603 1 0.9 7 6.5 37 5.6 2.9 10.2 60.3 47.0 15 122 3.91 1.51 12.2 1 2 3 1975 26 CLE qb 17 7 2 0-2-0 45 88 51.1 427 1 1.1 3 3.4 22 4.9 3.5 9.5 61.0 54.5 8 58 3.84 2.65 8.3 2 1976 27 CLE QB 17 14 12 7-5-0 178 312 57.1 2113 17 5.4 14 4.5 52 6.8 5.8 11.9 150.9 77.3 16 142 6.01 5.13 4.9 1 1 10 1977 28 CLE QB 17 9 9 5-4-0 112 195 57.4 1233 9 4.6 14 7.2 52 6.3 4.0 11.0 137.0 61.8 16 114 5.30 3.17 7.6 2 2 6 1978 29 CLE QB 17 16 16 8-8-0 222 399 55.6 2906 21 5.3 15 3.8 69 7.3 6.6 13.1 181.6 80.7 29 229 6.25 5.66 6.8 2 2 12 1979 30 CLE QB 17 16 16 9-7-0 286 535 53.5 3793 28 5.2 26 4.9 74 7.1 5.9 13.3 237.1 73.4 43 347 5.96 4.91 7.4 5 7 14 1980*+ 31 CLE QB 17 16 16 11-5-0 337 554 60.8 4132 30 5.4 14 2.5 65 7.5 7.4 12.3 258.3 91.4 23 217 6.79 6.73 4.0 3 4 16 1981 32 CLE QB 17 16 16 5-11-0 313 567 55.2 3876 17 3.0 25 4.4 62 6.8 5.5 12.4 242.3 68.2 34 310 5.93 4.63 5.7 2 2 10 1982 33 CLE QB 17 6 6 2-4-0 101 185 54.6 1064 4 2.2 8 4.3 40 5.8 4.2 10.5 177.3 60.7 13 117 4.78 3.37 6.6 0 1 3 1983 34 CLE QB 17 15 14 8-6-0 291 496 58.7 3566 26 5.2 23 4.6 66 7.2 6.2 12.3 237.7 79.1 27 233 6.37 5.39 5.2 1 2 12 -
Think about it..
Darnold-20
Rosen-21
Jackson-21
Mayfield-23
Not saying that he is old by any means, but for a prospect who is gonna sit and learn, you would think they would of taken someone a year or two younger..
My prediction is he is starting by week 8 if we are out of it. Gotta see what you have if Tyrod and Stanton can't produce.
Your thoughts?
Not saying that he is old by any means, but for a prospect who is gonna sit and learn, you would think they would of taken someone a year or two younger..
My prediction is he is starting by week 8 if we are out of it. Gotta see what you have if Tyrod and Stanton can't produce.
Your thoughts?
Great question...
Assuming Mayfield is ready, i.e., knows the playbook, can get the playcalls out, can work from under Center and can make pre-snap reads, then once we are eliminated from the playoffs we can start looking for Baker to start.
But Mayfield has to be ready first.
We have 6 games after our Week 11 Bye Week... I think those are likely his.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Think about it..
Darnold-20
Rosen-21
Jackson-21
Mayfield-23
Not saying that he is old by any means, but for a prospect who is gonna sit and learn, you would think they would of taken someone a year or two younger..
My prediction is he is starting by week 8 if we are out of it. Gotta see what you have if Tyrod and Stanton can't produce.
Your thoughts?
Think about it..
Darnold-20
Rosen-21
Jackson-21
Mayfield-23
Not saying that he is old by any means, but for a prospect who is gonna sit and learn, you would think they would of taken someone a year or two younger..
My prediction is he is starting by week 8 if we are out of it. Gotta see what you have if Tyrod and Stanton can't produce.
Your thoughts?
That would be a poor reason (age) by a year or two, to pass on a player. I don't know what the Browns were thinking taking a flyer on Brandon Weeden who was 29 when we drafted him...
The plus is Mayfield is the only one of the five that passes the Parcells test of # years as a starter.
Great question...
Assuming Mayfield is ready, i.e., knows the playbook, can get the playcalls out, can work from under Center and can make pre-snap reads, then once we are eliminated from the playoffs we can start looking for Baker to start.
But Mayfield has to be ready first.
We have 6 games after our Week 11 Bye Week... I think those are likely his.
Looking at the schedule, hard to predict the Browns record at the bye. The rose colored glasses folks could say 7-3, or the boo birds 3-7. I'm seeing an 0-2 start Tour.
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Not saying that he is old by any means, but for a prospect who is gonna sit and learn, you would think they would of taken someone a year or two younger..
My prediction is he is starting by week 8 if we are out of it. Gotta see what you have if Tyrod and Stanton can't produce.
Your thoughts?
Great question...
Assuming Mayfield is ready, i.e., knows the playbook, can get the playcalls out, can work from under Center and can make pre-snap reads, then once we are eliminated from the playoffs we can start looking for Baker to start.
But Mayfield has to be ready first.
We have 6 games after our Week 11 Bye Week... I think those are likely his.
Great question...
Assuming Mayfield is ready, i.e., knows the playbook, can get the playcalls out, can work from under Center and can make pre-snap reads, then once we are eliminated from the playoffs we can start looking for Baker to start.
But Mayfield has to be ready first.
We have 6 games after our Week 11 Bye Week... I think those are likely his.
IF he can do everything you say above AND overall move the offense better than Tyrod he is the day one starter
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Not saying that he is old by any means, but for a prospect who is gonna sit and learn, you would think they would of taken someone a year or two younger..
My prediction is he is starting by week 8 if we are out of it. Gotta see what you have if Tyrod and Stanton can't produce.
Your thoughts?
Great question...
Assuming Mayfield is ready, i.e., knows the playbook, can get the playcalls out, can work from under Center and can make pre-snap reads, then once we are eliminated from the playoffs we can start looking for Baker to start.
But Mayfield has to be ready first.
We have 6 games after our Week 11 Bye Week... I think those are likely his.
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Not saying that he is old by any means, but for a prospect who is gonna sit and learn, you would think they would of taken someone a year or two younger..
My prediction is he is starting by week 8 if we are out of it. Gotta see what you have if Tyrod and Stanton can't produce.
Your thoughts?
Great question...
Assuming Mayfield is ready, i.e., knows the playbook, can get the playcalls out, can work from under Center and can make pre-snap reads, then once we are eliminated from the playoffs we can start looking for Baker to start.
But Mayfield has to be ready first.
We have 6 games after our Week 11 Bye Week... I think those are likely his.
Great question...
Assuming Mayfield is ready, i.e., knows the playbook, can get the playcalls out, can work from under Center and can make pre-snap reads, then once we are eliminated from the playoffs we can start looking for Baker to start.
But Mayfield has to be ready first.
We have 6 games after our Week 11 Bye Week... I think those are likely his.
under Haley ben was in the shotgun 67% of play's
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Think about it..
Darnold-20
Rosen-21
Jackson-21
Mayfield-23
Not saying that he is old by any means, but for a prospect who is gonna sit and learn, you would think they would of taken someone a year or two younger..
My prediction is he is starting by week 8 if we are out of it. Gotta see what you have if Tyrod and Stanton can't produce.
Your thoughts?
That would be a poor reason (age) by a year or two, to pass on a player. I don't know what the Browns were thinking taking a flyer on Brandon Weeden who was 29 when we drafted him...
The plus is Mayfield is the only one of the five that passes the Parcells test of # years as a starter.
Great question...
Assuming Mayfield is ready, i.e., knows the playbook, can get the playcalls out, can work from under Center and can make pre-snap reads, then once we are eliminated from the playoffs we can start looking for Baker to start.
But Mayfield has to be ready first.
We have 6 games after our Week 11 Bye Week... I think those are likely his.
Looking at the schedule, hard to predict the Browns record at the bye. The rose colored glasses folks could say 7-3, or the boo birds 3-7. I'm seeing an 0-2 start Tour.
That would be a poor reason (age) by a year or two, to pass on a player. I don't know what the Browns were thinking taking a flyer on Brandon Weeden who was 29 when we drafted him...
The plus is Mayfield is the only one of the five that passes the Parcells test of # years as a starter.
Looking at the schedule, hard to predict the Browns record at the bye. The rose colored glasses folks could say 7-3, or the boo birds 3-7. I'm seeing an 0-2 start Tour.
If Taylor has the team winning and in the post season hunt it would be crazy to pull him and play Mayfield.
Hues job is on the line and there are other guys on the roster who want to win.
Mayfield should only play if all other options are exhausted. BTW Mayfield was the right pick too. Rumor is NE wanted him if he dropped lower in round 1.
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Think about it..
Darnold-20
Rosen-21
Jackson-21
Mayfield-23
Not saying that he is old by any means, but for a prospect who is gonna sit and learn, you would think they would of taken someone a year or two younger..
My prediction is he is starting by week 8 if we are out of it. Gotta see what you have if Tyrod and Stanton can't produce.
Your thoughts?
That would be a poor reason (age) by a year or two, to pass on a player. I don't know what the Browns were thinking taking a flyer on Brandon Weeden who was 29 when we drafted him...
The plus is Mayfield is the only one of the five that passes the Parcells test of # years as a starter.
Great question...
Assuming Mayfield is ready, i.e., knows the playbook, can get the playcalls out, can work from under Center and can make pre-snap reads, then once we are eliminated from the playoffs we can start looking for Baker to start.
But Mayfield has to be ready first.
We have 6 games after our Week 11 Bye Week... I think those are likely his.
Looking at the schedule, hard to predict the Browns record at the bye. The rose colored glasses folks could say 7-3, or the boo birds 3-7. I'm seeing an 0-2 start Tour.
Looking at the schedule, hard to predict the Browns record at the bye. The rose colored glasses folks could say 7-3, or the boo birds 3-7. I'm seeing an 0-2 start Tour.
Ditto, h... and 2-4 after 6 with pressure building to start "the kid".
IF he can do everything you say above AND overall move the offense better than Tyrod he is the day one starter
I have a hard time seeing a path to this eventuality, jcam. TT will get the ones vs the ones in Preseason, BM the 2s v 2s. So even if Baker posts the better stats, there will be that level of competition thing.
under Haley ben was in the shotgun 67% of play's
Interesting... but still leaves a third of the snaps.
That was allowed in large part due to Bell being very effective running out of the gun... something Crow was not good at. So bringing that frequency to us depends in large part on how proficient Hyde and Chubb are flanking the gun.
Did not see a lot of Hyde in SF, but what I saw seemed to feature him in either the "I" or singleback.
Chubb? More alongside the gun, but TBH I've a hard time separating his snaps from Michel's, who I think did most of his work from the gun.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Looking at the schedule, hard to predict the Browns record at the bye. The rose colored glasses folks could say 7-3, or the boo birds 3-7. I'm seeing an 0-2 start Tour.
Ditto, h... and 2-4 after 6 with pressure building to start "the kid".
IF he can do everything you say above AND overall move the offense better than Tyrod he is the day one starter
I have a hard time seeing a path to this eventuality, jcam. TT will get the ones vs the ones in Preseason, BM the 2s v 2s. So even if Baker posts the better stats, there will be that level of competition thing.
under Haley ben was in the shotgun 67% of play's
Interesting... but still leaves a third of the snaps.
That was allowed in large part due to Bell being very effective running out of the gun... something Crow was not good at. So bringing that frequency to us depends in large part on how proficient Hyde and Chubb are flanking the gun.
Did not see a lot of Hyde in SF, but what I saw seemed to feature him in either the "I" or singleback.
Chubb? More alongside the gun, but TBH I've a hard time separating his snaps from Michel's, who I think did most of his work from the gun.
Ditto, h... and 2-4 after 6 with pressure building to start "the kid".
I have a hard time seeing a path to this eventuality, jcam. TT will get the ones vs the ones in Preseason, BM the 2s v 2s. So even if Baker posts the better stats, there will be that level of competition thing.
Interesting... but still leaves a third of the snaps.
That was allowed in large part due to Bell being very effective running out of the gun... something Crow was not good at. So bringing that frequency to us depends in large part on how proficient Hyde and Chubb are flanking the gun.
Did not see a lot of Hyde in SF, but what I saw seemed to feature him in either the "I" or singleback.
Chubb? More alongside the gun, but TBH I've a hard time separating his snaps from Michel's, who I think did most of his work from the gun.
But you also have to take into consideration on who was calling the plays last year and how it affected are skill players
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Ditto, h... and 2-4 after 6 with pressure building to start "the kid".
I have a hard time seeing a path to this eventuality, jcam. TT will get the ones vs the ones in Preseason, BM the 2s v 2s. So even if Baker posts the better stats, there will be that level of competition thing.
Interesting... but still leaves a third of the snaps.
That was allowed in large part due to Bell being very effective running out of the gun... something Crow was not good at. So bringing that frequency to us depends in large part on how proficient Hyde and Chubb are flanking the gun.
Did not see a lot of Hyde in SF, but what I saw seemed to feature him in either the "I" or singleback.
Chubb? More alongside the gun, but TBH I've a hard time separating his snaps from Michel's, who I think did most of his work from the gun.
But you also have to take into consideration on who was calling the plays last year and how it affected are skill players
But you also have to take into consideration on who was calling the plays last year and how it affected are skill players
If you are saying that Haley is better at adapting to skillsets available to him than Hue was, then I can't argue with that... few adapt worse than Hue.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Think about it..
Darnold-20
Rosen-21
Jackson-21
Mayfield-23
Not saying that he is old by any means, but for a prospect who is gonna sit and learn, you would think they would of taken someone a year or two younger..
My prediction is he is starting by week 8 if we are out of it. Gotta see what you have if Tyrod and Stanton can't produce.
Your thoughts?
but for a prospect who is gonna sit and learn, you would think they would of taken someone a year or two younger..
They should ALL sit and learn the NFL game. It's different. It's faster. More complicated.
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I don't know if some of you guys are Millennials and Gen-Xs or what, but honestly, and I mean this respectfully, a lot of this tentative Baker stuff is really lacking testosterone and courage.
Baptism by fire doesn't ruin Quarterbacks. In only fast forwards the timeline for exposing schidt QBs. I disagree with Hoorta that Browns fans are impatient. 1 - 32 and we still show up? Schidt since 1999...................and we are impatient? WTF?
Look, if you are one of these people who believes in sitting a QB for a year to let him learn and develop, then honestly, you have to be critical of Dorsey. If bringing up a QB methodically was Dorsey's plan, then he should not have drafted a QB this year. He should have let Tie Rod establish himself with the team. He should have let all these new cats gel together, and THEN brought in a young QB in 2019, once the team was stabilized.
What we have to hope for is that the Browns come out an knock out a few wins, 2-6 at the split is not going to do it. 3 - 5 guarantees that the fans will accept the new regime's results as FINALLY being on the right track. I don't know what the 0 - ? number is, but God Forbid the Browns proceed 0-1 0-2 up to 0- something disgusting, Mayfield is going to start. There is just no way around it.
At that point, he either rises up as a savior, or fails amid a new argument of whether or not the Browns threw him to the dogs, or if he just wasn't big enough for the NFL.
Either way, the path to whether Baker is allowed to sit and be groomed will be directly proportional to whether or not Tie Rod can engineer some wins and create a team we care to watch.
I just think the front office wants to try things different, not rush a qb like they have. I love your points on Baker and Taylor both being zero and zero with the playera and coaches we have. The only difference right now is the time Taylor has put in. Baker is our future and if he shows he is ready then maybe the last 4 or 5 games. If we are gonna be shitty, its not gonna be because of Tyrod.
I just think the front office wants to try things different, not rush a qb like they have. I love your points on Baker and Taylor both being zero and zero with the playera and coaches we have. The only difference right now is the time Taylor has put in. Baker is our future and if he shows he is ready then maybe the last 4 or 5 games. If we are gonna be shitty, its not gonna be because of Tyrod.
Again, the time served being noted, the decisions of the coaches come down to whether the team is winning and soothing the fans. If we are at 0 - 7, I think decisions get made that aren't necessarily football smart, but instead marketing smart.
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