Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Farmer may not be saying it, but Jimmy Haslam....or Jimmy Haslam's wife whose career is publicity may be thinking that.
And yes, being a publicity hound can only take you so far.
Tebow is a good example though. He was taken far, far, far ahead of his talent for publicity sake.
He proves my point exactly.....and yours at the same time.
Tebow was drafted in the first round but was actually the Bronco's 2nd 1st round pick (D. Thomas was their first) in which they used a few draft picks to move down. This was done because McDaniels thought he could be coached in his system and a great player...not for publicity..
You are putting way to much stock in the value of publicity IMO , I do not think it makes sense for an NFL team.
The Browns will have multiple night games this year (like they had the year after the 10-6 season) because they have a lot of young talent and buzz.
Haslem does not strike me as one who is going to step on anyone's toes on drafting a player. Even at his wife's request:)
Tebow was drafted in the first round but was actually the Bronco's 2nd 1st round pick (D. Thomas was their first) in which they used a few draft picks to move down. This was done because McDaniels thought he could be coached in his system and a great player...not for publicity..
You are putting way to much stock in the value of publicity IMO , I do not think it makes sense for an NFL team.
The Browns will have multiple night games this year (like they had the year after the 10-6 season) because they have a lot of young talent and buzz.
Haslem does not strike me as one who is going to step on anyone's toes on drafting a player. Even at his wife's request:)
I would hope you are absolutely correct, that NFL teams would only make choices on pure football reasoning. But, the Eagles just let go of an outstanding Pro Bowl WR in the prime of his career.....based almost 100% on reasons of publicity.
There, they wanted to avoid bad publicity. So don't tell me it is never done.
If it is done to avoid bad publicity, it can....and is...also done for positive publicity reasons.
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Some peoples hate for Johnny Football amazes me. I really hope we get him and he makes you all look like shit.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
If we get him then i also hope he makes me look like shit... even though i don't need any help in that dept. If he's good i'll put his pic under my name, even if he sucks i'll still do it to be ironic.
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Some peoples hate for Johnny Football amazes me. I really hope we get him and he makes you all look like shit.
Some peoples hate for Johnny Football amazes me. I really hope we get him and he makes you all look like shit.
because he's a smart ass little punk, that's why, who's had everything spoon fed to him his whole life. does he have natural talent and a great desire to win? yes. does 85% of the kids in the draft have that same desire? yes.
i don't hate the kid, i wish he'd grow up and have a little more humility. i mean i dare him to do the money sign thing to someone in the NFL or his back talk to some DE. you might as well have a spot marked down for him on the IR as soon as you put him on the field.
if we drafted him i wouldn't hate it, like i wouldn't hate anyone, until it became clear the person can't play at the NFL level and was a total waste of a pick.
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Tebow was a projected third rounder, who some people wanted to play a different position. Manziel is a 1st round talent. Everyone knew Tebow couldnt throw.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Tebow was a projected third rounder, who some people wanted to play a different position. Manziel is a 1st round talent. Everyone knew Tebow couldnt throw.
There are lots of projections on Manziel that have him as a 3rd or 4th round talent ... He's not a unanimous 1st rounder, just like Tebow wasn't unanimous either.
Round projection is based in opinion. Farmer may be of the opinion that Manziel is worthy of #4 or he may be of the opinion that he got bailed out by Evans, can't read a defense, can't handle a blitz and is maybe a 3rd round pick. Thus his projection is born.
Manziel could be awesome. In of te opinion that those odds are less likely than they are with Watkins, Clowney, Mack, Bortles and even Evans.
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@mike-h said:
So much hyperbole, it burns my eyes.
All depends on who you want to listen to, Mike. Yeah, I just heard McShea say this class is deeper that last years with Gino Smith & company- but that's not saying much. Or maybe you'd like to refute my statement there's more than a couple of current starting NFL qbs that weren't drafted in the top 10, much less the first round? Want to ignore Walter Football has mocked us (and I do mean mock-ed) us to Johnny Football at #26?
I said I'd lay off the Manziel bashing- and take it FWIW, I'm not bashing JF, just reporting what I've heard of late. Plenty of guys with way more cred than me that don't like the guy.
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Some peoples hate for Johnny Football amazes me. I really hope we get him and he makes you all look like shit.
Some peoples hate for Johnny Football amazes me. I really hope we get him and he makes you all look like shit.
OK, I hope he totally blows out his knee in the first preseason game (playing for a team other than the Browns) , and winds up like Ki-Jana Carter that enough HATE for you?
OTOH the blind love for a guy who plays in a gimmicky offense with gimmicky skills and off field questions I hope he makes all of YOU look like shit. Is everybody happy now?
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Manziel is a very talented knucklehead that should go
with a team that needs to put fans in the seats.
Like the Jags or Texans. Or Oakland. Some team with
nice warm weather, and maybe a dome.
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Manziel is a very talented knucklehead that should go
with a team that needs to put fans in the seats.
Like the Jags or Texans. Or Oakland. Some team with
nice warm weather, and maybe a dome.
Manziel is a very talented knucklehead that should go
with a team that needs to put fans in the seats.
Like the Jags or Texans. Or Oakland. Some team with
nice warm weather, and maybe a dome.
Yup Cal, you draft Johnny Football
, you bring the circus into town along with him. Apparently ESPN needs a new circus venue now that RG III has flamed out for the moment. -
Weather is a non factor. You can acclimate to any weather condition. Doesn't matter where you were born.
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Weather is a non factor. You can acclimate to any weather condition. Doesn't matter where you were born.
Weather is a non factor. You can acclimate to any weather condition. Doesn't matter where you were born.
Hell yeah, just watch Cool Runnings.
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tick tock.
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@mike-h said:
Looks like JF can't read defenses or make throws from the pocket.
I WILL concede that durability is a little bit of a concern, but the more ACTUAL football you watch, the more the myths begin to disappear.
He is who he is, let's see if the Browns are willing to invest in him or any of the other QBs. If not, it better be Watkins and not an OL or another OLB.
Farmer will make the correct pick, as he has forgotten more about football than any of us know, including myself and you.
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@mike-h said:
I feel it. Love Farmer now, we'll see how we all feel in two years.
how about in 33 days?
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@mike-h said:
Looks like JF can't read defenses or make throws from the pocket.
I WILL concede that durability is a little bit of a concern, but the more ACTUAL football you watch, the more the myths begin to disappear.
He is who he is, let's see if the Browns are willing to invest in him or any of the other QBs. If not, it better be Watkins and not an OL or another OLB.
Why let facts get in the way, ya know.
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2012/10/23/3541460/lsu-blitzing-off-edge-flusters-manziel-offense
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/86640/gruden-qb-camp-johnny-manziel
You can post as many highlight reels as you want too. Every player going to the draft has some sort of highlight reel. If scouts and teams drafted off highlight reels they wouldn't be around very long.
He could be great but he has incredible amounts of work to do in reading a defense (read article 1 and 2), having pocket awareness (read 2 and 3), picking up a blitz (read 1 and 4), QB mechanics (read 2) and as you stated durability issues.
No, he didn't fuck my girlfriend I just do not think he is very good. We draft him I hope he proves me wrong.
I mean, or, ya know, watch youtube.
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wow you've turned into a complete dick this off-season.
must be all the sun and roids.
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Hemo or ster??
it took me a sec but i just got it. LMAO!!
the guy's trying to give his opinion about somethin and get's called 'fuckface' for it.
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