Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I am only saying that we had NOTHING better than him this year....that is how bad things were for us in the kick return game. Let's assume you are totally correct about Cribbs. he was still better than what we had.
So.....what is your solution to fix the Browns return game?
here's my solution. Don't let the other team score and you only have to return one kick off a game.
WSS
here's my solution. Don't let the other team score and you only have to return one kick off a game.
WSS
Id take that....(the not letting them score part)....BUT...
... really, it was our punt return game that was in the tank....not kickoff returns.....(Moore averaged a respectable 25 yds/return)
So...if we dont let them score, thats GREAT!!!....but we will still be returning(or fair catching) lots of punts......
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Sorry Mudfly....I should have checked on the stats for returning kicks before posting about the returns only being 10 to 12 yards. I had no idea we had s 25 yard average.
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Sorry Mudfly....I should have checked on the stats for returning kicks before posting about the returns only being 10 to 12 yards. I had no idea we had s 25 yard average.
. I had no idea we had s 25 yard average.
well....you're probably not wrong....Moore did have a 25 yd avg, which is ok......Benji, on the other hand, was closer to 20.....
(and they DO count yards in the end zone).....so.....assuming they both catch the ball "about" 5 yds deep.....
Benji would be averaging returns to the 15 yard line.....
Moore would be averaging returns to the 20 yard line.....
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VesnaKociper said:
Yeah, why not re sign Couch? He was better than Manziel? Cribbs was a loser. At his beast, he was blah. Wow, kick returns....... SO VERY VERY important to winning in the NFL.
How many people remember who returned kicks and punts for Denver SB teams? GB? Cribbs is a folk hero, I get it. BUt calling him a great player is like calling Clapton a great guitar player. Two over rated people.
The point is, there is nothing to discuss about Manziel. There is no point in playing this guy. Why is he even on the team? He has no trade value, no skills and no marketability. Cut the cocksucker and move forward.
Instead, we are going to mentally mastrubate about his mechanics, his reads, his work ethic. Hey, why not talk about what Bigfoot likes for dinner and debate that? It's the same thing.
I am only saying that we had NOTHING better than him this year....that is how bad things were for us in the kick return game. Let's assume you are totally correct about Cribbs. he was still better than what we had.
So.....what is your solution to fix the Browns return game?
I am only saying that we had NOTHING better than him this year....that is how bad things were for us in the kick return game. Let's assume you are totally correct about Cribbs. he was still better than what we had.
So.....what is your solution to fix the Browns return game?
Last year we should have tried Gilbert who was great on returns in college and was bringing very little value to the team. Same thing this coming year or draft one.
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I am only saying that we had NOTHING better than him this year....that is how bad things were for us in the kick return game. Let's assume you are totally correct about Cribbs. he was still better than what we had.
So.....what is your solution to fix the Browns return game?
Last year we should have tried Gilbert who was great on returns in college and was bringing very little value to the team. Same thing this coming year or draft one.
Last year we should have tried Gilbert who was great on returns in college and was bringing very little value to the team. Same thing this coming year or draft one.
Right.....the whole thing was curious. They didn't try Benjamin after he came back, didn't try Gilbert, wouldn't pick up Cribbs....or anyone else.
Next year that gotta put Benjamin back in the saddle, with Gilbert next to him.
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here's my solution. Don't let the other team score and you only have to return one kick off a game.
WSS
Id take that....(the not letting them score part)....BUT...
... really, it was our punt return game that was in the tank....not kickoff returns.....(Moore averaged a respectable 25 yds/return)
So...if we dont let them score, thats GREAT!!!....but we will still be returning(or fair catching) lots of punts......
Id take that....(the not letting them score part)....BUT...
... really, it was our punt return game that was in the tank....not kickoff returns.....(Moore averaged a respectable 25 yds/return)
So...if we dont let them score, thats GREAT!!!....but we will still be returning(or fair catching) lots of punts......
that's okay. Since under my system we will be forcing a three and out after every one of our kickoffs that should cut down on the number of returns too.
WSS
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Say, that's pretty cool, I didn't know Johnny Broadway Flop was that tall !
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I have finally come to the terms of reality, Manziel has made me look like a god damn fool.
It's time to cut him to be made an example of. Move on from him. He simply doesn't give a fuck about football.
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Um, Big Brother is watching.
Aspen- strike 1
If this is verified- strike 2
Any bets on a time frame for strike 3? I'm putting the over\ under at two weeks. Gordon will (and should) be cut. Josh apparently doesn't give a flying f**k anymore- he knows he's done.
Maybe Josh can move in with him considering Jaboogie's wealth- because Gordon will be freaking broke soon.
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Two turds in a pod.
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they both should have been cut after the final game last season.
this is continuing to make the franchise look weak. they released a statement earlier this week stating they haven't got any news from the league about him (gordon) failing another test (yet the whole sports world knows about it) and will wait until the appropriate time to comment......
uh, i thought you guys were getting tough on the players? you only want guys who will 'play like browns'?
i know they are trying to get some type of compensation for manziel because of where they drafted him last year but this is becoming a joke and making the browns look like a joke the longer their behavior continues and nothing is done about it.
cut them both, NOW!
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Are we sure that is even them? Even the close up doesn't convince be those are our players.
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Are we sure that is even them? Even the close up doesn't convince be those are our players.
Are we sure that is even them? Even the close up doesn't convince be those are our players.
i thought the same thing. but i've thought the same thing on other subjects when it comes to these twitter feed news stories and these TMZ accounts...........and i've been wrong on all of them.
when are these guys going to realize that everyone has a camera in their phone?
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Are we sure that is even them? Even the close up doesn't convince be those are our players.
Are we sure that is even them? Even the close up doesn't convince be those are our players.
Ya, that is not Josh in the close up picture, and the guy that looks like Johnny in that pic could be any douche nozzle in college now with a flat billed hat and pube hair on his face.
It very well could be them pouring beer out the window in the other picture though, both are dumb enough to pull something like that. After my buddy showed me that Aspen picture, I figured Gordon was done with the Browns anyway, so this is just icing on the cake.
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Release them and move on.
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