Jonathan Paul Manziel

[miktoxic]

most of the stuff coming out is being put out as either a smoke screen or something to fuel a rumor that will be used to make phone rings pre-draft.

chip kelly better stir up something because his ass is sitting on the hottest seat in the NFL right now.

and btw i like bradford but not as a brown. manziel for bradford straight up.....maybe but i'd rather wait to see what the kid has. i know it might cost us draft day trade value but that trade would have to be for something else other than a crippled-ass QB.

[Mark O]

@miktoxic said:

most of the stuff coming out is being put out as either a smoke screen or something to fuel a rumor that will be used to make phone rings pre-draft.

chip kelly better stir up something because his ass is sitting on the hottest seat in the NFL right now.

and btw i like bradford but not as a brown. manziel for bradford straight up.....maybe but i'd rather wait to see what the kid has. i know it might cost us draft day trade value but that trade would have to be for something else other than a crippled-ass QB.

I would swap Manziel for Bradford straight up but I wouldn't give up anything else.

[Kosar_For_President]

I usually do not buy into the speculation, but there is a guy I work that is very good friends with a prominent Cleveland sportscaster, that the talks are happening. They are not sure the pieces.

[miktoxic]

you have to understand that these are the same people that said the browns were going to lose a first round draft pick because of the farmer texting incident.

i'll believe it when i see it. until then, i call bullshit.

[Kosar_For_President]

@miktoxic said:

you have to understand that these are the same people that said the browns were going to lose a first round draft pick because of the farmer texting incident.

i'll believe it when i see it. until then, i call bullshit.

True man, I agree, I am just saying what was told to him from a good friend.

[Tour2ma]

@kosar_for_president said:

I usually do not buy into the speculation, but there is a guy I work that is very good friends with a prominent Cleveland sportscaster, that the talks are happening. They are not sure the pieces.

Combine the way Chip has been wheeling and dealing with the QB-quest Farmer has been assigned and there is no telling who or what may be on the proverbial table.

[PoeticG]

I cannot wait until Manziel gets out of rehab and shuts up everybody... which probably won't work since everyone wants to bash the kid. It's gay. Manziel wasn't supposed to play last year, yet he did, since Hoyer chocked went it came crunch time, Manziel was thrown to the wolves. Give the fucking kid a chance to prove himself.

He will be fine when he's not looking over his shoulder at a pouty face cry baby as Brian Hoyer. Win or go home. The same will be for Manziel if he can't get it in the pros. But he should be given a fair chance. Get the kid some weapons and lets see what he's got. We haven't even scratched the surface of what Manziel can do come gametime. I for one, cannot wait.

[miktoxic]

the kid was a wasted draft pick. what nfl team has a year to throw away on a kid who doesn't give a crap about anyone but themselves, doesn't put in the time and looks like a 3rd stringer at best? that's not even mentioning the media circus and obnoxious fans that came with him. you think that might have had something to do with hoyer choKing?

it'd be great if somehow he pulls open his jersey and there's a big S under it, he grows 2" taller and actually has the capacity to learn the playbook and read defenses.................

[Canton Mike]

I have been & still am a Manziel fan. He has a passion for football & I want to see him succeed. Has the kid made mistakes? YEAH! Did I make those type mistakes at his age...oh YEAH!

The kid is in rehab, so I'm with PG on this. Let's give Johnny a fair chance & see what happens. Who knows how his Browns' team mates & FO deal with him, but as a Browns' Fan, I'll support whatever decision(s) they make.

Mike

[D Bone]

The kid will be nothing more than a footnote on some future board game. Sooner the Browns move on, the better.

[hoorta]

@kosar_for_president said:

Rumor of course.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/4/7/8357863/rumor-browns-trying-to-trade-johnny-manziel-to-eagles-for-sam

OK, read it. Mr. Farmer, I have one suggestion to you. Go watch the play Bradford blew out his ACL against the Browns last preseason- and every other time he's done so- a few hundred times. Get back to me and tell me with a straight face you think the second coming of KiJana Carter or Lawyer Tillman is worth Manziel and a first round pick.

@walterwhite said:

A 1st rounder for a QB who's missed 31 games in 5 seasons with a passer rating of 79 and a massive contract.

I'd give up a 4th and that's it.

About right.

@mark-o said:

I would swap Manziel for Bradford straight up but I wouldn't give up anything else.

Not even sure I'd go that high Mark.

[jrb12711]

@hoorta said:

OK, read it. Mr. Farmer, I have one suggestion to you. Go watch the play Bradford blew out his ACL against the Browns last preseason- and every other time he's done so- a few hundred times. Get back to me and tell me with a straight face you think the second coming of KiJana Carter or Lawyer Tillman is worth Manziel and a first round pick.

I'm 100% sure that's just a blowing smoke rumor but seriously, who the heck would want Bradford? I'd GLADLY rather see what Manziel brings to the table than get Bradford even if it was a straight up player swap. That's not a ringing endorsement for Manziel either.

[TexasAg1969]

Best comment I have seen so far on the rumor if true, "Sam Bradford is a bust who's as soft as a Kleenex. Will Cleveland EVER get it right??"

[TexasAg1969]

@gftchris said:

I want to hear from *everybody else* how great he's doing, and see no pictures of him on anything inflatable. Is that so unrealistic?

I may get him once of those blow up girlfriends on Amazon. Rumor is she doesn't drink or do selfies.

http://www.amazon.com/24x36-School-Ferrell-Blow-Up-Poster/dp/B000TFG4XI/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1428498931&sr=8-9&keywords=blow+up+dolls

[DieHardBrownsFan]

@texasag1969 said:

I may get him once of those blow up girlfriends on Amazon. Rumor is she doesn't drink or do selfies.

http://www.amazon.com/24x36-School-Ferrell-Blow-Up-Poster/dp/B000TFG4XI/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1428498931&sr=8-9&keywords=blow+up+dolls

These are better:

http://www.isexdoll.com/_e/dept/16/Sex_dolls_for_men.htm?gclid=CjwKEAjwo5OpBRDU64qO07OXq00SJADn5hYnbUhMKzJBE_ckqplOZAwRW3HrC-DWwFCkylB5d6QVvxoCCBvw_wcB

[TexasAg1969]

@diehardbrownsfan said:

These are better:

http://www.isexdoll.com/_e/dept/16/Sex_dolls_for_men.htm?gclid=CjwKEAjwo5OpBRDU64qO07OXq00SJADn5hYnbUhMKzJBE_ckqplOZAwRW3HrC-DWwFCkylB5d6QVvxoCCBvw_wcB

I defer to the voice of experience. LOL!

[DieHardBrownsFan]

@texasag1969 said:

I defer to the voice of experience. LOL!

They never bitch.....

[mohican]

Joe Thomas Speaks out http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/12841/joe-thomas-speaks-truth-to-power-about-johnny-manziel

[Mark O]

@poeticg said:

I cannot wait until Manziel gets out of rehab and shuts up everybody... which probably won't work since everyone wants to bash the kid. It's gay. Manziel wasn't supposed to play last year, yet he did, since Hoyer chocked went it came crunch time, Manziel was thrown to the wolves. Give the fucking kid a chance to prove himself.

He will be fine when he's not looking over his shoulder at a pouty face cry baby as Brian Hoyer. Win or go home. The same will be for Manziel if he can't get it in the pros. But he should be given a fair chance. Get the kid some weapons and lets see what he's got. We haven't even scratched the surface of what Manziel can do come gametime. I for one, cannot wait.

PG is in Manziels corner? His career is fucked.

"cry baby Hoyer" You mean the QB that had a winning record as a starter for the Browns? Do you even watch the games? Manziel had an entire season to be prepared for his chance and he sucked giant donkey balls. He looked like a high school player trying to play in the NFL.

[Tour2ma]

@poeticg said:

I cannot wait until Manziel gets out of rehab and shuts up everybody... which probably won't work since everyone wants to bash the kid. It's gay. Manziel wasn't supposed to play last year, yet he did, since Hoyer chocked went it came crunch time, Manziel was thrown to the wolves. Give the fucking kid a chance to prove himself.

So JM will shut up the doubters, but only if the doubters shut up and quit doubting him?

JM was supposed to play last year. Don't you remember the "change of pace" plan? The limited game packages suited to JM's skill set to be unleashed at key moments? Can't exactly blame you that you do not as they did not last long. Regardless... you can't play the rookie card in Week 16.

@canton-mike said:

I have been & still am a Manziel fan. He has a passion for football & I want to see him succeed.

The kid is in rehab, so I'm with PG on this. Let's give Johnny a fair chance & see what happens.

Short of booing him at any sighting, what can we as fans do to "unfair" his chances?

What I fear most... what is at the heart of the grave doubts I hold... is that his passion for football was all wrapped up in the same bulletproof behavior pattern that kept him from applying himself to learn his craft while simultaneously partying himself into rehab.

Reckless play and reckless living were both parts of the invincible Johnny Football. Now he's just the vincible Johnny Manziel facing a life rebuild... at the ripe old age of 22.