Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Bridgewater and Robinson.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Beckham actually has some meat on his bones and I wouldnt fear for his life every time he catches the ball like I do with Benji haha. Evans would be great, but if we dont grab him at 4 he'll be gone before the teens.
but that's why you trade down to where you hope and pray the guy is still there (diehard showed a new mock with him going @10 to detroit) so you'd hope to find a trade partner 2-3 spots below us and get what we can, picks wise for the move. i'm not advocating trading out of the top ten at all.
i was impressed with beckham's speed and his hands, but won't he be there in the later rounds? and there were plenty of others that impresed me as well.
clowney disappointed me with his bench press meaning he hasn't been really doing any strength training knowing the combines were coming up and that shows lack of commitment (which a lot of you were saying all along). and i'm not sold on any of the top 3 QBs so if the OL is gone i'd trade down.
clowney disappointed me with his bench press meaning he hasn't been really doing any strength training knowing the combines were coming up and that shows lack of commitment (which a lot of you were saying all along). and i'm not sold on any of the top 3 QBs so if the OL is gone i'd trade down.
I just read that bench press is a pretty meaningless parameter, unless you're a 98 pound weakling like me that can't even budge 225 off a bench. It's not a measure of functional football strength. Ziggy Ansah benched even less than Clowney- and did OK his first year in the pros.
Obviously Clowney didn't waste a lot of his time in the weight room just so he could show how many reps he could do at the combine. LOL is that guy who set the record for reps still on any NFL roster?
Incidentally, Clowney's 10 yard split compared favorably to just about any of the wrs. Shades of Michael Dean Perry. He doesn't have to be Hercules- like Mercury, he's going to be blowing by guys before they can get a hand on him. If they double team him, it opens it up for someone else.
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Here is a list of every QB drafted in the first 2 rounds who are 6' or under.
Len Dawson rd 1 pick 5 - HOF
Sid Luckman rd 1 pick 2 - HOF
YA Tittle rd 1 pick 6 - HOF
Billy Kilmer rd 1 pick 11 - 2x all pro
Paul Christman rd 2 pick 10 - 2x all pro
Mike Vick rd 1 pick 1
Drew Brees rd 2 pick 32
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Here is a list of every QB drafted in the first 2 rounds who are 6' or under.
Len Dawson rd 1 pick 5 - HOF
Sid Luckman rd 1 pick 2 - HOF
YA Tittle rd 1 pick 6 - HOF
Billy Kilmer rd 1 pick 11 - 2x all pro
Paul Christman rd 2 pick 10 - 2x all pro
Mike Vick rd 1 pick 1
Drew Brees rd 2 pick 32
Yup, and except the last two, most of them played when defensive ends measured 6'2".
we have a QB already and his name is brian hoyer.
Exactly.
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why wasn't hoyer starting over weeden?obviously weeden was outperforming hoyer in practice or something.why isn't everyone talking about how fragile he is? hes already missed many games because of a major knee injury.He may be too small and fragile and be always hurt. Kinda like Manziel?
Seriously the guy may be hurt a lot.
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why wasn't hoyer starting over weeden?obviously weeden was outperforming hoyer in practice or something.why isn't everyone talking about how fragile he is? hes already missed many games because of a major knee injury.He may be too small and fragile and be always hurt. Kinda like Manziel?
Seriously the guy may be hurt a lot.
why wasn't hoyer starting over weeden?obviously weeden was outperforming hoyer in practice or something.why isn't everyone talking about how fragile he is? hes already missed many games because of a major knee injury.He may be too small and fragile and be always hurt. Kinda like Manziel?
Seriously the guy may be hurt a lot.
Playing styles probably. Hoyer wasn't moving as much as Manziel does. He got hurt because he made a correct decision to run but didn't slide properly.
Hoyer being #3 on the depth chart will remain a mystery though. Although weedens signature is playing good in practice and even did in the preseason. Also, Hoyer was later to arrive. Heck, even weedens senior bowl practices impressed scouts before the actual game.
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Regardless of what was listed as the depth chart online Hoyer was the number 2 not 3 QB. I think they played Weeden at first because he had a decent pre season and they also wanted to play it out and see what the really did or did not have with Weeden. They probably stuck to that plan to long but realistically the FO looked at last year as an exploratory surgery as opposed to a potential winning season.
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Regardless of what anyone thinks about the read/option, defenses are remiss if they don't prepare for it. I have no doubt that Pettine knows that. Whether that translates into the QB skills Pettine, Farmer and Kyle want in thier QB remains to be seen. I'm betting it does.
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Regardless of what anyone thinks about the read/option, defenses are remiss if they don't prepare for it. I have no doubt that Pettine knows that. Whether that translates into the QB skills Pettine, Farmer and Kyle want in thier QB remains to be seen. I'm betting it does.
Regardless of what anyone thinks about the read/option, defenses are remiss if they don't prepare for it. I have no doubt that Pettine knows that. Whether that translates into the QB skills Pettine, Farmer and Kyle want in thier QB remains to be seen. I'm betting it does.
Not sure I understand..................................In the NFL if they know you are running a read option offense they are going to prepare for it. It is also no longer rare and revolutonary so teams in general are figuring out the best ways to combat it defensively.
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Not sure what the Brownsboard record for pages in one thread is ... But this thing will be pushing 50 before May.
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Zombo said:
Not sure what the Brownsboard record for pages in one thread is ... But this thing will be pushing 50 before May.
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Hot Cheerleaders, isn't it? Followed by Dickheads on Parade?
(but didn't the Trent Richardson trade blow things up here as well?)
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Here is a list of every QB drafted in the first 2 rounds who are 6' or under.
Len Dawson rd 1 pick 5 - HOF
Sid Luckman rd 1 pick 2 - HOF
YA Tittle rd 1 pick 6 - HOF
Billy Kilmer rd 1 pick 11 - 2x all pro
Paul Christman rd 2 pick 10 - 2x all pro
Mike Vick rd 1 pick 1
Drew Brees rd 2 pick 32
Every single one of those QBs is exactly 6', not that the 1" matters all that much.
Manziel will be the first QB taken in the first 2 rounds under 6'. At least he'll make history even if he doesn't pan out.
Every single one of those QBs is exactly 6', not that the 1" matters all that much.
Manziel will be the first QB taken in the first 2 rounds under 6'. At least he'll make history even if he doesn't pan out.
As noted by Zombo elsewhere, some of those older guys listed at 6' may have also been 5'11 3/4" like Manziel. And Manziel would have probably been listed at 6'. Only since the combine and precise measurements has the NFL been so specific in listing heights, weights, hand spreads, vertical leaps, etc.
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why wasn't hoyer starting over weeden?obviously weeden was outperforming hoyer in practice or something.why isn't everyone talking about how fragile he is? hes already missed many games because of a major knee injury.He may be too small and fragile and be always hurt. Kinda like Manziel?
Seriously the guy may be hurt a lot.
why wasn't hoyer starting over weeden?obviously weeden was outperforming hoyer in practice or something.why isn't everyone talking about how fragile he is? hes already missed many games because of a major knee injury.He may be too small and fragile and be always hurt. Kinda like Manziel?
Seriously the guy may be hurt a lot.
One fluke injury on a bad slide, and he may be hurt a lot? Tom Brady had the same freaking injury, did the Pats say he was injury prone? That's a poor comparison. Hoyer is a read the defense, pass first guy. Manziel takes off at the first sign of trouble, or no trouble, leaving wide open receivers hanging. He's not going to have the luxury of tossing up folly floater jump balls off his back foot to his receivers in the NFL either. Finally Javedon Clowney ran a faster 40 time than Johnny Football ©, and there's a ton of linebackers and cornerbacks in the NFL just as fast or faster- so Football will find out it's a tad harder being elusive in the Big Boy League.
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Regardless of what anyone thinks about the read/option, defenses are remiss if they don't prepare for it. I have no doubt that Pettine knows that. Whether that translates into the QB skills Pettine, Farmer and Kyle want in thier QB remains to be seen. I'm betting it does.
Not sure I understand..................................In the NFL if they know you are running a read option offense they are going to prepare for it. It is also no longer rare and revolutonary so teams in general are figuring out the best ways to combat it defensively.
Not sure I understand..................................In the NFL if they know you are running a read option offense they are going to prepare for it. It is also no longer rare and revolutonary so teams in general are figuring out the best ways to combat it defensively.
Yeah, right. Denver showed me.
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Not sure I understand..................................In the NFL if they know you are running a read option offense they are going to prepare for it. It is also no longer rare and revolutonary so teams in general are figuring out the best ways to combat it defensively.
Yeah, right. Denver showed me.
Yeah, right. Denver showed me.
The read option is not the reason Denver got whooped by Seattle.
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Not sure I understand..................................In the NFL if they know you are running a read option offense they are going to prepare for it. It is also no longer rare and revolutonary so teams in general are figuring out the best ways to combat it defensively.
Yeah, right. Denver showed me.
Yeah, right. Denver showed me.
If you think the read option offense is the reason Seattle kicked Denvers ass you better rewatch that game. That game was straight up won by a balls to the wall defense period end of story.
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Yeah right. The threat of it had nothing to do with Denver's hurtin' defensive exhibition. The Broncs didn't know whether to shit or go blind. Ofc, the Hawk's offensive efficiency was exemplary but I'm just sayin', to not use ALL of the available offensive strategies is self limiting. Thank God Pettine knows that whether others do or not.The read option is not the reason Denver got whooped by Seattle.
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If you think the read option offense is the reason Seattle kicked Denvers ass you better rewatch that game. That game was straight up won by a balls to the wall defense period end of story.
Hahaha, oh. Seattle's 43 points had nothing to do with it. Thanks for the insight.
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Back off guys. This is to easy.
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Hahaha, oh. Seattle's 43 points had nothing to do with it. Thanks for the insight.
Wilson had 3 carries 26 yards. Lynch had 39 yards.
One rushing touchdown between them? (Lynch)
The running game, especially the read option did not beat Denver.
Denver actually did a nice job stopping the run in general.
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Hahaha, oh. Seattle's 43 points had nothing to do with it. Thanks for the insight.
Wilson had 3 carries 26 yards. Lynch had 39 yards.
One rushing touchdown between them? (Lynch)
The running game, especially the read option did not beat Denver.
Denver actually did a nice job stopping the run in general.
I didn't say the read option beat Denver. Get your story straight.Wilson had 3 carries 26 yards. Lynch had 39 yards.
One rushing touchdown between them? (Lynch)
The running game, especially the read option did not beat Denver.
Denver actually did a nice job stopping the run in general.
I said not having a read option threat is a weakness and it was evident in the Broncs/Hawks game because the Hawks ran their offense efficiently WITHOUT being limited with a 'pocket passer only' QB like the Pats are, for example. The Broncs did OK against a pocket passer team but not so good against a team with a QB that has some read option skills. A puppy QB too. Clearly just having the threat gives a team an advantage against some NFL defenses. You don't have to believe me. Just ask the Broncs.
Just be glad Pettine is the Browns coach. He knows.
Hawks - 135 rushing Broncs - 27 rushing
Russell - 8.7 yds per carry
Like I said, Denver's defense didn't know whether to shit or get off the pot.
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Thinking even harder into this thing....if Watkins is available do you take him over Manziel or Bridgey?His combine really improved his stock,seems like as cant miss as you can be.Do you take a sure thing star receiver over a maybe QB?
But the thing is I think they would win about 6 or 8 games next year and not draft high enough to get a top prospect QB.
This is gonna be a tough draft to get right
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