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  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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    No shocker here..Am no Tour2ma but let's discuss our options that we are left with at LT.                                                                                                                                                                                                                      https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns-team-stats?season=2017&week=100&category=OFFENSIVE+LINE                                                                                           Bob Wylie has stated many times that "we will start our best 5 guys at each position". Well we certainly hope so, cause Bob Wylie's big butt is just as hot as Huejax's coaching seat.JT would not be easy cleats to fill for any team. Been his largest fan since Wisconsin. JT fit the size & weight of most good LT's. But Scout knuckleheads said his arms were to short (33 7/8"). Well soon they would all find out that Joe would out think them in his smooth quick technique that was Joe Thomas. Most good LT's in the NFL game, range from 6'4" up to JT's height at 6'7".And Most weighted what Joe's playing weight was at 310lbs. up to Whitworth playing weight of 335lbs. If you looked at the link above?Tretter & Zeitler need to stay put. Pass pro leading to sacks is not on them & their PFF stats prove it.Remember most running plays go towards RT/RG.Your 2 best road-grade blockers are mostly played there. Looks to set up that way now, with Hubbard who turned L.Bell loose & now Greg Robinson who can run block but in pass pro is Not G00d allowing 23 sacks in 52 games.37 penalties that include 12 false starts & 21 holding calls. All this to get to the Can a dates..  I will start with the guy that Wylie imo may lose patience with first A.) Shon Coleman-6'5"-307-35 1/8" arms. B.)A.Corbett-6'4"-306-33 1/8" arms. C.)D.Harrison-6'6"-292LBS.-34" arms... Are the 3 leaders on the depth chart.D.)S.Durango 6'6"-315-33 3/4"arms (gave up 10 sacks from same position in 2017) E.)Greg Robinson 6'6"-332-35 1/2" arms. F.)Joel Bitonio-6'4"-302-33 7/8" arms...So I through in the size's cause none of them have the tech's of JT at LT. Here's who I think Wylie starts week 1..LT-Bitonio/ LG-A.Corbett/ C-Tretter/ RG-Zeitler/ RT-Hubbard   

  • sydS syd wrote on last edited by
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    so your saying Bitonio should start at LT

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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    maybe I'd be happier if a 6'7" 310-15lb'ish guy with over a 34" reach was on our roster? there are'.. legit LT's all over the league that measure up, but not with us. so am failing to find G.Robinson/Durango or S.Coleman,(that do match those measurements)  Being our best options to protect their own blindsides,backsides nor buttsides

  • LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on last edited by
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    The blindside is going to kill us this year

  • The blindside is going to kill us this year

    sydS syd wrote on last edited by
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    @lbc-mike said:

    The blindside is going to kill us this year

    that's why we traded for TT

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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     Haley is smart enough to get the LT help with Fells at TE. But we got to mix it up and send Fells too. Hyde made a living chipping behind LT's at 9'ers. Chubb can too. Hue was a easy playbook to read on game days. Haley,not so much.

  • LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on last edited by
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    You know teams will rush our left side.

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    sure. I think Bitonio should stay at LG unless it's a critical emergency. Corbett will take some time and be

    a really fine OG. Asking Hubbard to flip to the left is asking too much too quickly, I think. I believe it's Coleman at LT,

    Bitonio/Tretter/Zeitler/Hubbard. Coleman is powerful, and still has the feet and temperament to play LT. He's no Joe Thomas, though.

  • IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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    Interesting take Gumby. Do you think Bito has the footwork and bend though? That seemed to be the thing that separated JT from average LTs is flexibility and light on his feet when he had to be. 

  • Interesting take Gumby. Do you think Bito has the footwork and bend though? That seemed to be the thing that separated JT from average LTs is flexibility and light on his feet when he had to be. 

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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    @ibleedbrown said:

    Interesting take Gumby. Do you think Bito has the footwork and bend though? That seemed to be the thing that separated JT from average LTs is flexibility and light on his feet when he had to be. 

    Thanks, All along, I believed that Bitionio was in line and tutored by Joe to take the LT position. Playing beside Joe can't hurt his cause. Wylie maybe correct not wanting to slide Joel over? but Joel has never played G without the help to his left side before either. Joel's base footwork mostly leaves him in balance. S.Colemans wide base (that gets wider when moving) footwork leaves him knocked off balance many times at RT. but it's been a long time since Coleman has played LT. So i shall wait,read & see..The Bend of LT's falls in the wait & see also. JT would stick to a guy like a magnet, making longer arms a non-issue. Bitonio has seemed to learn the same technique with same size arms as JT.  What we don't like to see is the off balance lunges that Coleman & Corbett have to be coached out of. Won't be long cause Camp day one is finally here..Wylie wants to see them in pads? Well bring them on! Line Myles Garrett up across from them and let the bodies hit the floor..    

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    I don't see the advantage of potentially weakening two positions for the sake of another.  Unless Shon looks that out of place on the left side.  Which we haven't had a live look at in pre-season even. 

  • S sdballis wrote on last edited by
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  • sydS syd wrote on last edited by
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    @sdballis said:

    According to the GOAT, it's not Austin Corbett 

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000942053/article/joe-thomas-austin-corbett-is-a-guard-not-a-tackle

    so then why I wonder why we used the 33 pick on a guy who is likely going to be a back up

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    because:

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2769355-austin-corbett-nfl-draft-2018-scouting-report-for-cleveland-browns-pick

    his NFL comparison is Bitonio - well worth the 33 pick. Think of having two of them as good as Bitonio, and they

    man each OG position in the near future. He could fit in at OG/C/maybe...RT...

    he was a terrific value pick.

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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    https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot  Day 1 in the Books.. roll down- to pass rush #browns training camp-..blow it up... for Myles vs S.Coleman & Joel gets Bello's.. give it some effort,but Yikes! Coleman.. Edit-T Desmond Harrison was out with a ankle.(dab it') Shon Coleman started at LT with the 1's. The 2's with Baker, were Greg Robinson LT, Austin Corbett LG..Your starting WR group was Landry,Calloway,Coleman..Baker tossed a beautiful bomb to Calloway down the right sideline defended by #21 which I find nowhere on the roster--Hee Hee..the crowd went nutz..(Denzel Ward was the defender in the team drill) Who fell down and couldn't get up? Daniel Ekuale-DL-Calf.Caleb Brantley-Cramps/TE-Cajuste-concussion/WR Ratley-Hip..Peppers & Chad Thomas also did not practice..   

  • I don't see the advantage of potentially weakening two positions for the sake of another.  Unless Shon looks that out of place on the left side.  Which we haven't had a live look at in pre-season even. 

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    I don't see the advantage of potentially weakening two positions for the sake of another.  Unless Shon looks that out of place on the left side.  Which we haven't had a live look at in pre-season even. 

    Especially when Bitonio is on record saying that too much time has gone by for him to go back to LT, and that he's a guard in the NFL. 

    The Browns better hope Shon Coleman is up for the job, at least at a mediocre level for the time being. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I don't see the advantage of potentially weakening two positions for the sake of another.  Unless Shon looks that out of place on the left side.  Which we haven't had a live look at in pre-season even. 

    Especially when Bitonio is on record saying that too much time has gone by for him to go back to LT, and that he's a guard in the NFL. 

    The Browns better hope Shon Coleman is up for the job, at least at a mediocre level for the time being. 

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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    @dutch-oven said:

    Especially when Bitonio is on record saying that too much time has gone by for him to go back to LT, and that he's a guard in the NFL.  

    got my attention,if the record is post-able, post it. I'd like to read it cause Wildhogg Wylie needs to know not to play Joel at LT during OTA's.😉 Look, we have drafted butt backwards for years..imho, Corbett on his best day is a G or a Center in the nfl at best. But for any reason that we may have to slide Joel over to LT? Just remember the best LG in the draft that we passed on was at #33..was Will Hernandez.Honestly, do you think G.Williams had a lot to do with the drafting of Denzel Ward over Bradley Chubb? Am thinking Wylie had his choice too. And Wylie "may" have... Wiffed! Tia is right, Certainly to early to tell..       

  • LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on last edited by
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  • GhoolieG Ghoolie wrote on last edited by
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    WHo cares? It's not like this is important. We had a "HOF (bullschidt) LT and went 1 - 31. The guy never made a difference on offense, and when he was injured, you couldnt' tell the difference. Meaningless position. A million guys can play that lardasss position.

  • OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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    The name of the game is pass & rush the passer.  Our two tackle spots are a main concern in the 'rush the passer' part of the game.

    ...yes, JT didn't win us any championships...but it's not his fault that they never gave him a good QB.