Survey Wednesday. A Look Back
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Here are some survey questions I call "A Look Back"....some of the best and worst of the Browns:
1. A. What, in your memory, is the Best Game the Browns ever played.....pre 1999. (you can define best however you wish)
B. What, in your memory is the Worst Game the Browns ever played...pre 1999 (again, define worst however you wish)
2. A. Who, in your memory is the Best Browns player you have ever seen play (in person or on TV)....pre 1999
B. Who, in your memory is the worst...or most disappointing Browns player you ever saw play....pre 1999
3. A. Who in your memory do you think is the best Browns player...NOT named Joe Thomas....since 1999
B. Who in your memory is the worst or most disappointing Browns player....post 1999
4. What overall strategic franchise move in the Browns history would you like to have seen them do differently? (For purposes of this, lets eliminate "The Move" as a subject....as we all know the consequences of that....think of a different event)
5. Name 3 Browns players that are NOT in the Pro Football HOF that you think should be in there.
6. And now a question for the future: name 3 players on the Browns that you think WILL have the best careers going hence?
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Here are some survey questions I call "A Look Back"....some of the best and worst of the Browns:
My own answers:
1. A. What, in your memory, is the Best Game the Browns ever played.....pre 1999. (you can define best however you wish)
I have 3....of different types: First....the 1964 NFL title game vs. Colts, Browns won by 27-0. Second, the Browns double OT win vs. the Jets....just for the excitement of it. Third....the 51-0 arse whooping the Browns gave the Steelers in 1989
B. What, in your memory is the Worst Game the Browns ever played...pre 1999 (again, define worst however you wish)
The Drive.....Browns were going to the Super Bowl if they could have just done what they had done all day long: contain Elway. They went into the prevent defense and it prevented them from winning. (about the only worst moment as a Cleveland Sports fan was Game 7 of the 1997 World Series). Also...and this one is strange....there was a game in the mid 60s, regular season, against the St. Louis Cardinals, which the Browns fuycked up badly. Charley Johnson killed them. I don't remember being so angry about a game as a kid.
2. A. Who, in your memory is the Best Browns player you have ever seen play (in person or on TV)....pre 1999
James Nathaniel Brown
B. Who, in your memory is the worst...or most disappointing Browns player you ever saw play....pre 1999
Not that he was the worst (he was not as bad as like Mike Junkin)....but Mike Phipps turned out to be the most disappointing
3. A. Who in your memory do you think is the best Browns player...NOT named Joe Thomas....since 1999
The most exciting player post 1999, to me, was Josh Cribbs. second best player, probably Joe Haden
B. Who in your memory is the worst or most disappointing Browns player....post 1999
Courtney Brown..most disappointing, because the physical potential was there to see. Followed by the litany of bad QBs.....
4. What overall strategic franchise move in the Browns history would you like to have seen them do differently? (For purposes of this, lets eliminate "The Move" as a subject....as we all know the consequences of that....think of a different event)
Not that it was a bad move....it was probably actually a good move....but I am curious what the Browns history would be like if they had not moved from the NFC to the AFC after the 1970 merger. (but as we know...this conference shift was once again made by Modell's motivation to be given money)
5. Name 3 Browns players that are NOT in the Pro Football HOF that you think should be in there.
D.i.c.k Shafrath (he is listed on the All 1960s NFL team at Left Tackle....if you are the best at your position for an entire decade you should be in tghe HOF), Clay Matthews, Gary Collins (his numbers are as good or better than a number of other WRs who are in.....still leads the Browns in all time TD catches)
6. And now a question for the future: name 3 players on the Browns that you think WILL have the best careers going hence?
Well...the hope and belief is that our #1 picks, Garrett and Mayfield will be there. And...I think that Joe Schobert is going to perhaps prove that he may become like the best MLB in Browns history......just a hunch.
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Here are some survey questions I call "A Look Back"....some of the best and worst of the Browns:
My own answers:
1. A. What, in your memory, is the Best Game the Browns ever played.....pre 1999. (you can define best however you wish)
I have 3....of different types: First....the 1964 NFL title game vs. Colts, Browns won by 27-0. Second, the Browns double OT win vs. the Jets....just for the excitement of it. Third....the 51-0 arse whooping the Browns gave the Steelers in 1989
B. What, in your memory is the Worst Game the Browns ever played...pre 1999 (again, define worst however you wish)
The Drive.....Browns were going to the Super Bowl if they could have just done what they had done all day long: contain Elway. They went into the prevent defense and it prevented them from winning. (about the only worst moment as a Cleveland Sports fan was Game 7 of the 1997 World Series). Also...and this one is strange....there was a game in the mid 60s, regular season, against the St. Louis Cardinals, which the Browns fuycked up badly. Charley Johnson killed them. I don't remember being so angry about a game as a kid.
2. A. Who, in your memory is the Best Browns player you have ever seen play (in person or on TV)....pre 1999
James Nathaniel Brown
B. Who, in your memory is the worst...or most disappointing Browns player you ever saw play....pre 1999
Not that he was the worst (he was not as bad as like Mike Junkin)....but Mike Phipps turned out to be the most disappointing
3. A. Who in your memory do you think is the best Browns player...NOT named Joe Thomas....since 1999
The most exciting player post 1999, to me, was Josh Cribbs. second best player, probably Joe Haden
B. Who in your memory is the worst or most disappointing Browns player....post 1999
Courtney Brown..most disappointing, because the physical potential was there to see. Followed by the litany of bad QBs.....
4. What overall strategic franchise move in the Browns history would you like to have seen them do differently? (For purposes of this, lets eliminate "The Move" as a subject....as we all know the consequences of that....think of a different event)
Not that it was a bad move....it was probably actually a good move....but I am curious what the Browns history would be like if they had not moved from the NFC to the AFC after the 1970 merger. (but as we know...this conference shift was once again made by Modell's motivation to be given money)
5. Name 3 Browns players that are NOT in the Pro Football HOF that you think should be in there.
D.i.c.k Shafrath (he is listed on the All 1960s NFL team at Left Tackle....if you are the best at your position for an entire decade you should be in tghe HOF), Clay Matthews, Gary Collins (his numbers are as good or better than a number of other WRs who are in.....still leads the Browns in all time TD catches)
6. And now a question for the future: name 3 players on the Browns that you think WILL have the best careers going hence?
Well...the hope and belief is that our #1 picks, Garrett and Mayfield will be there. And...I think that Joe Schobert is going to perhaps prove that he may become like the best MLB in Browns history......just a hunch.
Here are some survey questions I call "A Look Back"....some of the best and worst of the Browns:
My own answers:
1. A. What, in your memory, is the Best Game the Browns ever played.....pre 1999. (you can define best however you wish)
I have 3....of different types: First....the 1964 NFL title game vs. Colts, Browns won by 27-0. Second, the Browns double OT win vs. the Jets....just for the excitement of it. Third....the 51-0 arse whooping the Browns gave the Steelers in 1989
B. What, in your memory is the Worst Game the Browns ever played...pre 1999 (again, define worst however you wish)
The Drive.....Browns were going to the Super Bowl if they could have just done what they had done all day long: contain Elway. They went into the prevent defense and it prevented them from winning. (about the only worst moment as a Cleveland Sports fan was Game 7 of the 1997 World Series). Also...and this one is strange....there was a game in the mid 60s, regular season, against the St. Louis Cardinals, which the Browns fuycked up badly. Charley Johnson killed them. I don't remember being so angry about a game as a kid.
2. A. Who, in your memory is the Best Browns player you have ever seen play (in person or on TV)....pre 1999
James Nathaniel Brown
Your top two can be put into the BROWNS top Hall of Fame untouchable moments and player of all time. (also my immediate answers to your question)
It would be interesting to see what others people mention.
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Here are some survey questions I call "A Look Back"....some of the best and worst of the Browns:
1. A. What, in your memory, is the Best Game the Browns ever played.....pre 1999. (you can define best however you wish)
B. What, in your memory is the Worst Game the Browns ever played...pre 1999 (again, define worst however you wish)
2. A. Who, in your memory is the Best Browns player you have ever seen play (in person or on TV)....pre 1999
B. Who, in your memory is the worst...or most disappointing Browns player you ever saw play....pre 1999
3. A. Who in your memory do you think is the best Browns player...NOT named Joe Thomas....since 1999
B. Who in your memory is the worst or most disappointing Browns player....post 1999
4. What overall strategic franchise move in the Browns history would you like to have seen them do differently? (For purposes of this, lets eliminate "The Move" as a subject....as we all know the consequences of that....think of a different event)
5. Name 3 Browns players that are NOT in the Pro Football HOF that you think should be in there.
6. And now a question for the future: name 3 players on the Browns that you think WILL have the best careers going hence?
Here are some survey questions I call "A Look Back"....some of the best and worst of the Browns:
1. A. What, in your memory, is the Best Game the Browns ever played.....pre 1999. (you can define best however you wish)
https://www.footballdb.com/games/boxscore.html?gid=1979092401
so many Rutigliano Kardiac kids games... but this one showing that the Browns rise to the occasion for a Monday night game
and if anyone remembers the sideline shot of a cowboys player puking said it all
B. What, in your memory is the Worst Game the Browns ever played...pre 1999 (again, define worst however you wish)
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/196911090min.htm
like you said being angry about a loss with the Cardinals, this was mine...
2. A. Who, in your memory is the Best Browns player you have ever seen play (in person or on TV)....pre 1999
again - too many & not named Ozzie but Dave Logan made some amazing catches too
B. Who, in your memory is the worst...or most disappointing Browns player you ever saw play....pre 1999
agree with you on Phipps - too much expected and low on delivery
3. A. Who in your memory do you think is the best Browns player...NOT named Joe Thomas....since 1999
Phil Dawson
B. Who in your memory is the worst or most disappointing Browns player....post 1999
Gordon - so much potential
4. What overall strategic franchise move in the Browns history would you like to have seen them do differently? (For purposes of this, lets eliminate "The Move" as a subject....as we all know the consequences of that....think of a different event)
stay in the NFC before 1970(?) realignment - Modell meddled in everything, from firing Brown to negotiating TV contracts for the league (although being a $$ maker for the NFL)
I dont know if Rosell made them move or Modell thought it would be better? for me - just preference to the conference I believed the Browns dominated for A long time in the 60's
5. Name 3 Browns players that are NOT in the Pro Football HOF that you think should be in there.
Ernest Byner, Clay Matthews & Gary Collins ( Jim Marshall - even though...)
6. And now a question for the future: name 3 players on the Browns that you think WILL have the best careers going hence?
Bitonio, Shobert then drawing a blank.
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Here are some survey questions I call "A Look Back"....some of the best and worst of the Browns:
1. A. What, in your memory, is the Best Game the Browns ever played.....pre 1999. (you can define best however you wish)
B. What, in your memory is the Worst Game the Browns ever played...pre 1999 (again, define worst however you wish)
2. A. Who, in your memory is the Best Browns player you have ever seen play (in person or on TV)....pre 1999
B. Who, in your memory is the worst...or most disappointing Browns player you ever saw play....pre 1999
3. A. Who in your memory do you think is the best Browns player...NOT named Joe Thomas....since 1999
B. Who in your memory is the worst or most disappointing Browns player....post 1999
4. What overall strategic franchise move in the Browns history would you like to have seen them do differently? (For purposes of this, lets eliminate "The Move" as a subject....as we all know the consequences of that....think of a different event)
5. Name 3 Browns players that are NOT in the Pro Football HOF that you think should be in there.
6. And now a question for the future: name 3 players on the Browns that you think WILL have the best careers going hence?
Here are some survey questions I call "A Look Back"....some of the best and worst of the Browns:
1. A. What, in your memory, is the Best Game the Browns ever played.....pre 1999. (you can define best however you wish)
Wow, that's a toughie, but I'm going with Browns 27 Steelers 26 in 1980. Sipe hit Ozzie in the corner of the end zone, and the Browns went on to claim the AFC Central title, Sipe named MVP. At the time it was the loudest I ever heard the stadium roar.
B. What, in your memory is the Worst Game the Browns ever played...pre 1999 (again, define worst however you wish)
1972 playoffs.... Browns lose to Miami (their undefeated season) down in the Orange Bowl 20-14. Phipps threw 5 interceptions, Sockroft had a punt blocked and returned for a TD. Browns should have won this game easily, still pisses me off.
2. A. Who, in your memory is the Best Browns player you have ever seen play (in person or on TV)....pre 1999
Brian Sipe
B. Who, in your memory is the worst...or most disappointing Browns player you ever saw play....pre 1999
Disappointing....Tom Cousineau. Worst...Paul McDonald
3. A. Who in your memory do you think is the best Browns player...NOT named Joe Thomas....since 1999
Josh Cribbs
B. Who in your memory is the worst or most disappointing Browns player....post 1999
Johnny
4. What overall strategic franchise move in the Browns history would you like to have seen them do differently? (For purposes of this, lets eliminate "The Move" as a subject....as we all know the consequences of that....think of a different event)
Firing Paul Brown.
5. Name 3 Browns players that are NOT in the Pro Football HOF that you think should be in there.
Hanford Dixon, Clay Matthews, Eric Metcalf
6. And now a question for the future: name 3 players on the Browns that you think WILL have the best careers going hence?
Myles Garrett, Nick Chubb, Denzel Ward
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Here are some survey questions I call "A Look Back"....some of the best and worst of the Browns:
1. A. What, in your memory, is the Best Game the Browns ever played.....pre 1999. (you can define best however you wish)
B. What, in your memory is the Worst Game the Browns ever played...pre 1999 (again, define worst however you wish)
2. A. Who, in your memory is the Best Browns player you have ever seen play (in person or on TV)....pre 1999
B. Who, in your memory is the worst...or most disappointing Browns player you ever saw play....pre 1999
3. A. Who in your memory do you think is the best Browns player...NOT named Joe Thomas....since 1999
B. Who in your memory is the worst or most disappointing Browns player....post 1999
4. What overall strategic franchise move in the Browns history would you like to have seen them do differently? (For purposes of this, lets eliminate "The Move" as a subject....as we all know the consequences of that....think of a different event)
5. Name 3 Browns players that are NOT in the Pro Football HOF that you think should be in there.
6. And now a question for the future: name 3 players on the Browns that you think WILL have the best careers going hence?
Here are some survey questions I call "A Look Back"....some of the best and worst of the Browns:
1. A. What, in your memory, is the Best Game the Browns ever played.....pre 1999. (you can define best however you wish)
B. What, in your memory is the Worst Game the Browns ever played...pre 1999 (again, define worst however you wish)
2. A. Who, in your memory is the Best Browns player you have ever seen play (in person or on TV)....pre 1999
B. Who, in your memory is the worst...or most disappointing Browns player you ever saw play....pre 1999
3. A. Who in your memory do you think is the best Browns player...NOT named Joe Thomas....since 1999
B. Who in your memory is the worst or most disappointing Browns player....post 1999
4. What overall strategic franchise move in the Browns history would you like to have seen them do differently? (For purposes of this, lets eliminate "The Move" as a subject....as we all know the consequences of that....think of a different event)
5. Name 3 Browns players that are NOT in the Pro Football HOF that you think should be in there.
6. And now a question for the future: name 3 players on the Browns that you think WILL have the best careers going hence?
1.A. 1989 season opener, 51-0 victory against Steelers in Three Rivers. Pretty sure a Steelers fan well-versed In voodoo put a hex on the Browns that day as a result of the drubbing, because the Steelers have pretty much owned the Browns since that September day.
1.B. A season later I remember the BIlls coming into Cleveland Stadium and destroying the Browns, it might have been the game that cost Bud Carson his HC job? I think it was a Sunday night game, and the stands were empty halfway through the 4th quarter. Might had ended up 42-0?
2.A. I've been watching the Browns since the early 80s, so I'll go with Ozzie Newsome for pre-'99.
2.B. Andre Rison. I was so excited when the Browns traded for him, and nothin'. Art had to beg banks for money to afford him - actually that's funny to think about.
3.A. Sad to say, but probably Phil Dawson. For one season, Josh Gordon was the most dominant Browns player I've ever seen in the 35+ years I've watched them.
3.B. In the history of first round Browns flops, Justin Gilbert might be right at the top of the list.
4. Sell the Browns to a local person in '61 instead of Modell. What people seem to forget about Modell is not only did he move the team, he pretty much turned them into a mediocre franchise. The Browns record after Blanton Collier retired until they moved 25 years later hovered around .500. Modell inherited the Yankees of the NFL.
5. Clay Matthews, Joe Thomas, Mac Speedie
6. Denzel Ward, Joe Schobert, Myles Garrett
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