Nick watch...
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Call it what you want. Saying some of Harbaugh’s failures in preparing this particular team are in any way Brady Hoke’s fault is “playing the Hoke card.”
So a guy not being able to play his 5th year is a good reason? Seriously? Most of the big time programs have very few guys staying until their 5th year. They’re either run off before then or go to the NFL.
Everyone does the whole transition class thing. That’s no excuse.
Every class matters. The effects of depth trickle upward. The true freshmen push the 2nd stringers which makes the 2nd stringers better which pushes the starters. Gotta sign a top flight class every year. Nevertheless, my point was that I might give a pass on Hoke’s bad recruiting IF Harbaugh was signing consistent top 5 classes. He’s not, so I won’t. If Jimbo ever signed a twenty-something class, I’d panic a decent amount.
You can call it what you want then to make it sound bad, that's fine. We clearly aren't going to agree. If you refuse to acknowledge the context and recent history leading to where we are now, alright.
Wisconsin, which consistently produces a very good OL, has an entire starting lineup with a Redshirt. Two starters are Redshirt Srs.
I'm sorry, but no. Last year's recruiting class, and the true freshmen OL in it, are not expected to play the vast majority of the time. They are not expected to play a major role in this current years OL depth and performance.
Harbaugh has had 3 full recruiting classes (though even the 2016 class was working from behind some).
According to Rivals:
- 2016 - 4th
- 2017 - 4th
- 2018 - 24th
2018 was obviously not great. Regardless, I think you're trying to make Harbaugh's recruiting seem worse than it is, basing it much more on his recent class. No reason to panic.
In that time A&M was 17, 10 and 16. We'll see how much Jimbo can affect that.
You can call it what you want then to make it sound bad, that's fine. We clearly aren't going to agree. If you refuse to acknowledge the context and recent history leading to where we are now, alright.
Wisconsin, which consistently produces a very good OL, has an entire starting lineup with a Redshirt. Two starters are Redshirt Srs.
I'm sorry, but no. Last year's recruiting class, and the true freshmen OL in it, are not expected to play the vast majority of the time. They are not expected to play a major role in this current years OL depth and performance.
Harbaugh has had 3 full recruiting classes (though even the 2016 class was working from behind some).
According to Rivals:
- 2016 - 4th
- 2017 - 4th
- 2018 - 24th
2018 was obviously not great. Regardless, I think you're trying to make Harbaugh's recruiting seem worse than it is, basing it much more on his recent class. No reason to panic.
In that time A&M was 17, 10 and 16. We'll see how much Jimbo can affect that.
Wisconsin is a mostly white nerd team that will never win a national championship. Is that your goal? How many 5th year seniors starting do Bama, Ohio State, Georgia, etc. have? Don’t look to Wisconsin as an example if you want to win really big. If you want to win 10 games a year, then go emulate Wisconsin. Otherwise not relevant.
I never said true freshmen OL should play (though again, many of the big time squads have had those).
And I concede A&M didn’t recruit enough (in fact wrote lengthy blog posts about as much on NSD both 2015 and 16). Jimbo will affect that don’t you worry. Sumlin was an overrated recruiter, never addressed needs, and loved to load up on 4 star receivers while they rest of the SEC stacked the front 7 .
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According to Ourlads, Bama has 2 redshirt seniors on the starting lineup. Ohio State has 4. Auburn and Georgia have 1. Clemson 4. Oklahoma 3. Notre Dame has ZERO.
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According to Ourlads, Bama has 2 redshirt seniors on the starting lineup. Ohio State has 4. Auburn and Georgia have 1. Clemson 4. Oklahoma 3. Notre Dame has ZERO.
According to Ourlads, Bama has 2 redshirt seniors on the starting lineup. Ohio State has 4. Auburn and Georgia have 1. Clemson 4. Oklahoma 3. Notre Dame has ZERO.
How many Does Michigan have
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You can call it what you want then to make it sound bad, that's fine. We clearly aren't going to agree. If you refuse to acknowledge the context and recent history leading to where we are now, alright.
Wisconsin, which consistently produces a very good OL, has an entire starting lineup with a Redshirt. Two starters are Redshirt Srs.
I'm sorry, but no. Last year's recruiting class, and the true freshmen OL in it, are not expected to play the vast majority of the time. They are not expected to play a major role in this current years OL depth and performance.
Harbaugh has had 3 full recruiting classes (though even the 2016 class was working from behind some).
According to Rivals:
- 2016 - 4th
- 2017 - 4th
- 2018 - 24th
2018 was obviously not great. Regardless, I think you're trying to make Harbaugh's recruiting seem worse than it is, basing it much more on his recent class. No reason to panic.
In that time A&M was 17, 10 and 16. We'll see how much Jimbo can affect that.
Wisconsin is a mostly white nerd team that will never win a national championship. Is that your goal? How many 5th year seniors starting do Bama, Ohio State, Georgia, etc. have? Don’t look to Wisconsin as an example if you want to win really big. If you want to win 10 games a year, then go emulate Wisconsin. Otherwise not relevant.
I never said true freshmen OL should play (though again, many of the big time squads have had those).
And I concede A&M didn’t recruit enough (in fact wrote lengthy blog posts about as much on NSD both 2015 and 16). Jimbo will affect that don’t you worry. Sumlin was an overrated recruiter, never addressed needs, and loved to load up on 4 star receivers while they rest of the SEC stacked the front 7 .
Wisconsin is a mostly white nerd team that will never win a national championship. Is that your goal? How many 5th year seniors starting do Bama, Ohio State, Georgia, etc. have? Don’t look to Wisconsin as an example if you want to win really big. If you want to win 10 games a year, then go emulate Wisconsin. Otherwise not relevant.
I never said true freshmen OL should play (though again, many of the big time squads have had those).
And I concede A&M didn’t recruit enough (in fact wrote lengthy blog posts about as much on NSD both 2015 and 16). Jimbo will affect that don’t you worry. Sumlin was an overrated recruiter, never addressed needs, and loved to load up on 4 star receivers while they rest of the SEC stacked the front 7 .
"White nerd team"... Really? Smh.
I was only referring to their OL btw, which one s 100% worth emulating. Team's without bagmen generally find those redshirts for OL very useful.
Michigan has has true Freshman OL play too. Very very rarely. Guys like Jake Long. It is something that is almost always a bad idea.
This is just degrading as a conversation now though (as Gip keeps chirping up on the sides). Michigan's current OL predicament is partially on Hoke, partially on Harbaugh. You can either take that from the fan and alum that has followed this all very closely for years and years.... or you could just think what you want. It isn't worth the dead end back and forth we've gotten to now.
Good luck against Clemson. I'll legitimately be rooting for you guys as the underdog.
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Wisconsin is a mostly white nerd team that will never win a national championship. Is that your goal? How many 5th year seniors starting do Bama, Ohio State, Georgia, etc. have? Don’t look to Wisconsin as an example if you want to win really big. If you want to win 10 games a year, then go emulate Wisconsin. Otherwise not relevant.
I never said true freshmen OL should play (though again, many of the big time squads have had those).
And I concede A&M didn’t recruit enough (in fact wrote lengthy blog posts about as much on NSD both 2015 and 16). Jimbo will affect that don’t you worry. Sumlin was an overrated recruiter, never addressed needs, and loved to load up on 4 star receivers while they rest of the SEC stacked the front 7 .
"White nerd team"... Really? Smh.
I was only referring to their OL btw, which one s 100% worth emulating. Team's without bagmen generally find those redshirts for OL very useful.
Michigan has has true Freshman OL play too. Very very rarely. Guys like Jake Long. It is something that is almost always a bad idea.
This is just degrading as a conversation now though (as Gip keeps chirping up on the sides). Michigan's current OL predicament is partially on Hoke, partially on Harbaugh. You can either take that from the fan and alum that has followed this all very closely for years and years.... or you could just think what you want. It isn't worth the dead end back and forth we've gotten to now.
Good luck against Clemson. I'll legitimately be rooting for you guys as the underdog.
"White nerd team"... Really? Smh.
I was only referring to their OL btw, which one s 100% worth emulating. Team's without bagmen generally find those redshirts for OL very useful.
Michigan has has true Freshman OL play too. Very very rarely. Guys like Jake Long. It is something that is almost always a bad idea.
This is just degrading as a conversation now though (as Gip keeps chirping up on the sides). Michigan's current OL predicament is partially on Hoke, partially on Harbaugh. You can either take that from the fan and alum that has followed this all very closely for years and years.... or you could just think what you want. It isn't worth the dead end back and forth we've gotten to now.
Good luck against Clemson. I'll legitimately be rooting for you guys as the underdog.
It degrades as a conversation because your claims are specious, and it is just you making excuses that have nothing to do with reality. Again...NAME all those players who are starters on that team that were recruited by Hoke, and not by Harbaugh! If there are any, which I doubt, then Harbaugh must have seen something in them worthy of keeping. And that is on him. And if they are not performing well, then that is on him as well because he has had like 4 years now to coach them.
I mean, that would be like us blaming Luke Fickell for the fact that the Buckeyes did so poorly vs. Iowa last year.
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nick looking his usual today. Except on one play they're going to clown him so hard for in film on mon. Lined up over tackle with a TE shading him to his right. He noobed it and never checked the TE off.....got absolutely stole on by said TE. snotbubbled. Straight down on his a.ss before he even got to engage with the tackle. ?
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