The official Terry Pluto thread
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And the po' BROWNS just how many games counting the next one were they the favorites? Would you believe 10 that's right ,. They were 10-5-1 as favorites.... before the game.
See for yourself. https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/teams/team-page.cfm/team/browns
2019 TEAM SCHEDULE & RESULTS Date Opponent Closing Line Total Result ATS Sep 8 Tennessee Titans -5.5 45.5 Lost 13 - 43 Loss / Over Sep 16 @ New York Jets -6.5 45 Won 23 - 3 Win / Under Sep 22 Los Angeles Rams 4.5 48.5 Lost 13 - 20 Loss / Under Sep 29 @ Baltimore Ravens 7 47.5 Won 40 - 25 Win / Over Oct 7 @ San Francisco 49ers 5 48 Lost 3 - 31 Loss / Under Oct 13 Seattle Seahawks PK 45.5 Lost 28 - 32 Loss / Over Oct 27 @ New England Patriots 10 43 Lost 13 - 27 Loss / Under Nov 3 @ Denver Broncos -4 39 Lost 19 - 24 Loss / Over Nov 10 Buffalo Bills -3 42 Won 19 - 16 Push / Under Nov 14 Pittsburgh Steelers -3 41.5 Won 21 - 7 Win / Under Nov 24 Miami Dolphins -10.5 46 Won 41 - 24 Win / Over Dec 1 @ Pittsburgh Steelers -1 40 Lost 13 - 20 Loss / Under Dec 8 Cincinnati Bengals -6.5 43.5 Won 27 - 19 Win / Over Dec 15 @ Arizona Cardinals -3 49 Lost 24 - 38 Loss / Over Dec 22 Baltimore Ravens 10 49 Lost 15 - 31 Loss / Under Dec 29 @ Cincinnati Bengals 1:00 PM And the po' BROWNS just how many games counting the next one were they the favorites? Would you believe 10 that's right ,. They were 10-5-1 as favorites.... before the game.
See for yourself. https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/teams/team-page.cfm/team/browns
2019 TEAM SCHEDULE & RESULTS Date Opponent Closing Line Total Result ATS Sep 8 Tennessee Titans -5.5 45.5 Lost 13 - 43 Loss / Over Sep 16 @ New York Jets -6.5 45 Won 23 - 3 Win / Under Sep 22 Los Angeles Rams 4.5 48.5 Lost 13 - 20 Loss / Under Sep 29 @ Baltimore Ravens 7 47.5 Won 40 - 25 Win / Over Oct 7 @ San Francisco 49ers 5 48 Lost 3 - 31 Loss / Under Oct 13 Seattle Seahawks PK 45.5 Lost 28 - 32 Loss / Over Oct 27 @ New England Patriots 10 43 Lost 13 - 27 Loss / Under Nov 3 @ Denver Broncos -4 39 Lost 19 - 24 Loss / Over Nov 10 Buffalo Bills -3 42 Won 19 - 16 Push / Under Nov 14 Pittsburgh Steelers -3 41.5 Won 21 - 7 Win / Under Nov 24 Miami Dolphins -10.5 46 Won 41 - 24 Win / Over Dec 1 @ Pittsburgh Steelers -1 40 Lost 13 - 20 Loss / Under Dec 8 Cincinnati Bengals -6.5 43.5 Won 27 - 19 Win / Over Dec 15 @ Arizona Cardinals -3 49 Lost 24 - 38 Loss / Over Dec 22 Baltimore Ravens 10 49 Lost 15 - 31 Loss / Under Dec 29 @ Cincinnati Bengals 1:00 PM Betting favorites reflect public perception, not how good the teams actually are. Bookies are trying to make money and they don't do that by giving them the real odds
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And the po' BROWNS just how many games counting the next one were they the favorites? Would you believe 10 that's right ,. They were 10-5-1 as favorites.... before the game.
See for yourself. https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/teams/team-page.cfm/team/browns
2019 TEAM SCHEDULE & RESULTS Date Opponent Closing Line Total Result ATS Sep 8 Tennessee Titans -5.5 45.5 Lost 13 - 43 Loss / Over Sep 16 @ New York Jets -6.5 45 Won 23 - 3 Win / Under Sep 22 Los Angeles Rams 4.5 48.5 Lost 13 - 20 Loss / Under Sep 29 @ Baltimore Ravens 7 47.5 Won 40 - 25 Win / Over Oct 7 @ San Francisco 49ers 5 48 Lost 3 - 31 Loss / Under Oct 13 Seattle Seahawks PK 45.5 Lost 28 - 32 Loss / Over Oct 27 @ New England Patriots 10 43 Lost 13 - 27 Loss / Under Nov 3 @ Denver Broncos -4 39 Lost 19 - 24 Loss / Over Nov 10 Buffalo Bills -3 42 Won 19 - 16 Push / Under Nov 14 Pittsburgh Steelers -3 41.5 Won 21 - 7 Win / Under Nov 24 Miami Dolphins -10.5 46 Won 41 - 24 Win / Over Dec 1 @ Pittsburgh Steelers -1 40 Lost 13 - 20 Loss / Under Dec 8 Cincinnati Bengals -6.5 43.5 Won 27 - 19 Win / Over Dec 15 @ Arizona Cardinals -3 49 Lost 24 - 38 Loss / Over Dec 22 Baltimore Ravens 10 49 Lost 15 - 31 Loss / Under Dec 29 @ Cincinnati Bengals 1:00 PM Betting favorites reflect public perception, not how good the teams actually are. Bookies are trying to make money and they don't do that by giving them the real odds
Betting favorites reflect public perception, not how good the teams actually are. Bookies are trying to make money and they don't do that by giving them the real odd
But they still are the favorites not underdogs by a 2:1 margin.
I do know how it works, I've been doing this for just over 50 years now.
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Hey Terry: Will Cleveland Browns preseason hype cause knee-jerk decisions in off season?
Today 5:31 AM
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Betting favorites reflect public perception, not how good the teams actually are. Bookies are trying to make money and they don't do that by giving them the real odd
But they still are the favorites not underdogs by a 2:1 margin.
I do know how it works, I've been doing this for just over 50 years now.
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Funny how everyone hyped us into some kind of contender with one exception. Guys on "Moving the Chains" NFL Radio way back before the season began were saying to lay off the gas pedal. They agreed it was very rare for any team to make the giant leap from loser to contender in one season. If you look at what we went in with this OL, an untried defense and an inexperienced HC, then realistically they were right. 6-10 or 7-9 was more the in between step. Fix it for next year and move on.
Funny how everyone hyped us into some kind of contender with one exception. Guys on "Moving the Chains" NFL Radio way back before the season began were saying to lay off the gas pedal. They agreed it was very rare for any team to make the giant leap from loser to contender in one season. If you look at what we went in with this OL, an untried defense and an inexperienced HC, then realistically they were right. 6-10 or 7-9 was more the in between step. Fix it for next year and move on.
thats a regression....you are wrong about that....they went 7-8-1 and this yr we had better talent....your fucking gm screwed the pooch by making slobass kitchens the hc....they should have been at least 9-7....that my friend would have been realistic for this yr...not what you say...
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......"If I had to bet, it would be on the team making a coaching change within a few days after Sunday’s season finale in Cincinnati.
My sense is the Browns know the promotion of Kitchens from offensive coordinator to head coach was a mistake"......
If you put that up to a popular vote Freddie would probably be gone. But it's not up to a popular vote. Decision time, soon.
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Just after the game..... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/season-finally-over-change-must-be-coming-for-cleveland-browns.html
WHAT’S NEXT?
Now, it’s the season of rumors. Who will be fired?
Coach Freddie Kitchens? Coordinators? The front office?......
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Just after the game..... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/season-finally-over-change-must-be-coming-for-cleveland-browns.html
WHAT’S NEXT?
Now, it’s the season of rumors. Who will be fired?
Coach Freddie Kitchens? Coordinators? The front office?......
Just after the game..... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/season-finally-over-change-must-be-coming-for-cleveland-browns.html
WHAT’S NEXT?
Now, it’s the season of rumors. Who will be fired?
Coach Freddie Kitchens? Coordinators? The front office?......
seriously? Where have you been the last hour?
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Funny how everyone hyped us into some kind of contender with one exception. Guys on "Moving the Chains" NFL Radio way back before the season began were saying to lay off the gas pedal. They agreed it was very rare for any team to make the giant leap from loser to contender in one season. If you look at what we went in with this OL, an untried defense and an inexperienced HC, then realistically they were right. 6-10 or 7-9 was more the in between step. Fix it for next year and move on.
thats a regression....you are wrong about that....they went 7-8-1 and this yr we had better talent....your fucking gm screwed the pooch by making slobass kitchens the hc....they should have been at least 9-7....that my friend would have been realistic for this yr...not what you say...
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Cleveland Browns postgame scribbles: A plan to get Browns out of this mess
Today 5:33 AM. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/cleveland-browns-postgame-scribbles-a-plan-to-get-browns-out-of-this-mess.html
14. The front doesn’t like to hear this, but 2018 interim coach Gregg Williams brought in a sense of order and discipline that helped last season – and was missing in 2019. Bottom line: Bring in an experienced coach. Add blockers on offense, guys who can stop the run and pressure the passer on defense. The team has some flashy talent, now it needs basic football players.
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11. My plan would be to keep Dorsey with the caveat that he refrain from drafting guys who flunk drug tests at the NFL Combine (Antonio Callaway) along with other obvious character risks. The Browns need to get back to bringing in guys to play basic football, the blocking and tackling that were so lacking this season.
An NFL scout said that a when a player flunks a drug test at the Combine it isn't a red flag---it's an air raid siren. The players are told in January to stop smoking weed and whatever else is in their arsenal. They are told that they will be extensively drug tested at the Combine. Anyone who flunks a drug test at the Combine is a fucking idiot. Actually, under the CBA, any player that flunks a drug test in today's NFL is a moron.
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Cleveland Browns postgame scribbles: A plan to get Browns out of this mess
Today 5:33 AM. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12/cleveland-browns-postgame-scribbles-a-plan-to-get-browns-out-of-this-mess.html
14. The front doesn’t like to hear this, but 2018 interim coach Gregg Williams brought in a sense of order and discipline that helped last season – and was missing in 2019. Bottom line: Bring in an experienced coach. Add blockers on offense, guys who can stop the run and pressure the passer on defense. The team has some flashy talent, now it needs basic football players.
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Today 5:01 AM
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Firing coach Freddie Kitchens was the easy part for the Browns.
......No need to detail the problems of the rookie head coach. Fans know all about it after watching their team lose 4 of 5 games to finish 6-10.
The big question is this: What’s next?
That’s right. . . WHAT is next? Not just WHO is next......
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Today 5:01 AM
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Firing coach Freddie Kitchens was the easy part for the Browns.
......No need to detail the problems of the rookie head coach. Fans know all about it after watching their team lose 4 of 5 games to finish 6-10.
The big question is this: What’s next?
That’s right. . . WHAT is next? Not just WHO is next......
Today 5:01 AM
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Firing coach Freddie Kitchens was the easy part for the Browns.
......No need to detail the problems of the rookie head coach. Fans know all about it after watching their team lose 4 of 5 games to finish 6-10.
The big question is this: What’s next?
That’s right. . . WHAT is next? Not just WHO is next......
Do you want an answer to that question? Here is what I surmise:
1. They do hire a new HC
2. Who then hires his coaching staff
3. Who then all go to the combine for scouting
4. Dorsey gets busy trying to get some Free Agents.
5. They have a draft.
6. They go to training camp and have a season next year.
Did I miss anything?
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Terry.....
......If the Browns had a front office operating with the full confidence of ownership, next would be General Manager John Dorsey running the search for a coach and hiring his man.
That was the situation a year ago, when Dorsey picked Kitchens. It ended up being a disaster.
That was especially damaging to Dorsey because Chief Operating Officer Paul DePodesta backed Minnesota offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski for the job.
Owners Dee and Jimmy Haslam were enamored with Dorsey a year ago as the team finished strong for a 7-8-1 record. They let him name his coach. It’s a shame it didn’t work out.
I prefer a front office set up with the coach reporting to the general manager, and the GM reporting to ownership.
WHY CHANGE IS COMING
After Kitchens, it’s clear ownership will not be giving Dorsey the same freedom as a year ago. Nor is it fair to fault the Haslams for Kitchens. They allowed Dorsey to make that call.......
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... another NFL executive told me that not a lot is changing in terms of Dorsey’s role.
Clearly Terry spoke to one too many NFL Execs...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
... another NFL executive told me that not a lot is changing in terms of Dorsey’s role.
Clearly Terry spoke to one too many NFL Execs...
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