The official Terry Pluto thread
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Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
WSS
Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
WSS
Well....to me, those are not a concern, until they are a concern. For now all that is speculation. Fair speculation, but I won't be concerned until it actually happens.
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Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
WSS
Well....to me, those are not a concern, until they are a concern. For now all that is speculation. Fair speculation, but I won't be concerned until it actually happens.
Well....to me, those are not a concern, until they are a concern. For now all that is speculation. Fair speculation, but I won't be concerned until it actually happens.
999,999 out of a million words on this entire board are speculation.
WSS
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Well....to me, those are not a concern, until they are a concern. For now all that is speculation. Fair speculation, but I won't be concerned until it actually happens.
999,999 out of a million words on this entire board are speculation.
WSS
999,999 out of a million words on this entire board are speculation.
WSS
Yes, and how much of that speculation comes true? I am just saying I am not at this point going to hide in my bomb shelter because at some point it is speculated that the earth may be hit by an asteroid.
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999,999 out of a million words on this entire board are speculation.
WSS
Yes, and how much of that speculation comes true? I am just saying I am not at this point going to hide in my bomb shelter because at some point it is speculated that the earth may be hit by an asteroid.
Yes, and how much of that speculation comes true?
Unfortunately only one member, sorry ex-member, of this board was consistently correct. At least since the beginning of the rule of King Jimmy. And that's only because he consistently predicted Doom and Gloom.
WSS
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Mayfield and discipline.
13. Reviving Mayfield can change so much for the franchise. Did Mayfield work as hard as needed last summer? He probably thinks so, but the data indicates otherwise. Stefanski needs to sit down and discuss with Mayfield what it takes to be a long-term, productive QB in the NFL. It’s not easy, especially when commercials and other things came so soon to Mayfield last summer.
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Yes, and how much of that speculation comes true?
Unfortunately only one member, sorry ex-member, of this board was consistently correct. At least since the beginning of the rule of King Jimmy. And that's only because he consistently predicted Doom and Gloom.
WSS
Unfortunately only one member, sorry ex-member, of this board was consistently correct. At least since the beginning of the rule of King Jimmy. And that's only because he consistently predicted Doom and Gloom.
WSS
Like Coach Sam used to say.. "Throw enough shit on the wall".."Some of it is bound to stick"
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Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
WSS
Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
Make him back down??? Ceded authority???
There are enough legitimate concerns to worry about without making shtuff up.
For me the key is the prep of the individual development plans Stef talked about in his intro. If these are done well, then it should be easy for players to buy in.
Same message to Terry who's worrying about OTA attendance. Whether OBJ or any other vet attends any in 2020 says nothing about Stef as a HC. It might say something in 2021, but not this year.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
Make him back down??? Ceded authority???
There are enough legitimate concerns to worry about without making shtuff up.
For me the key is the prep of the individual development plans Stef talked about in his intro. If these are done well, then it should be easy for players to buy in.
Same message to Terry who's worrying about OTA attendance. Whether OBJ or any other vet attends any in 2020 says nothing about Stef as a HC. It might say something in 2021, but not this year.
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Those are question marks. I count 6.
lol... Very good...
Now can you guess how many fingers I am holding up?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Here's a concern. Stefanski got the job apparently because he ceded authority to run the team to people that included Jimmy and Dee. Is anyone else nervous than about his ability to stand up to obj Landry maybe even Baker or anyone else? And even if he can the minute Depo or the Haslam's make him back down his stature in the locker room will be pretty much gone.
Make him back down??? Ceded authority???
There are enough legitimate concerns to worry about without making shtuff up.
For me the key is the prep of the individual development plans Stef talked about in his intro. If these are done well, then it should be easy for players to buy in.
Same message to Terry who's worrying about OTA attendance. Whether OBJ or any other vet attends any in 2020 says nothing about Stef as a HC. It might say something in 2021, but not this year.
Make him back down??? Ceded authority???
Yes. From what they've been talking about this new alignment requires the coach to sit down with Jimmy and Dee Etc before putting together a game plan. Seems to me like they want a lot more Hands-On interaction with the day-to-day planning of the team. If you don't think Jimmy and Dee would ever override the coach's decision then feel free to tell me you think I'm wrong. On the other hand if you think there's a possibility (or even a probability) that they might pull something like telling Mike Pettine he had to start Johnny (which undermined the coach's Authority whether you believe it or not) then you might agree that I at least have a legitimate concern.
There are enough legitimate concerns to worry about without making shtuff up.
For me the key is the prep of the individual development plans Stef talked about in his intro. If these are done well, then it should be easy for players to buy in.
Same message to Terry who's worrying about OTA attendance. Whether OBJ or any other vet attends any in 2020 says nothing about Stef as a HC. It might say something in 2021, but not this year.
yes but that concern is not mutually exclusive of my own.
WSS
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Those are question marks. I count 6.
lol... Very good...
Now can you guess how many fingers I am holding up?
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Those are question marks. I count 6.
lol... Very good...
Now can you guess how many fingers I am holding up?
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Make him back down??? Ceded authority???
Yes. From what they've been talking about this new alignment requires the coach to sit down with Jimmy and Dee Etc before putting together a game plan. Seems to me like they want a lot more Hands-On interaction with the day-to-day planning of the team. If you don't think Jimmy and Dee would ever override the coach's decision then feel free to tell me you think I'm wrong. On the other hand if you think there's a possibility (or even a probability) that they might pull something like telling Mike Pettine he had to start Johnny (which undermined the coach's Authority whether you believe it or not) then you might agree that I at least have a legitimate concern.
There are enough legitimate concerns to worry about without making shtuff up.
For me the key is the prep of the individual development plans Stef talked about in his intro. If these are done well, then it should be easy for players to buy in.
Same message to Terry who's worrying about OTA attendance. Whether OBJ or any other vet attends any in 2020 says nothing about Stef as a HC. It might say something in 2021, but not this year.
yes but that concern is not mutually exclusive of my own.
WSS
Make him back down??? Ceded authority???
1. Yes. From what they've been talking about this new alignment requires the coach to sit down with Jimmy and Dee Etc before putting together a game plan. Seems to me like they want a lot more Hands-On interaction with the day-to-day planning of the team. If you don't think Jimmy and Dee would ever override the coach's decision then feel free to tell me you think I'm wrong. On the other hand if you think there's a possibility (or even a probability) that they might pull something like telling Mike Pettine he had to start Johnny (which undermined the coach's Authority whether you believe it or not) then you might agree that I at least have a legitimate concern.
There are enough legitimate concerns to worry about without making shtuff up.
For me the key is the prep of the individual development plans Stef talked about in his intro. If these are done well, then it should be easy for players to buy in.
Same message to Terry who's worrying about OTA attendance. Whether OBJ or any other vet attends any in 2020 says nothing about Stef as a HC. It might say something in 2021, but not this year.
2. yes but that concern is not mutually exclusive of my own.
- You need to catch up. The "game plan meeting" was a false rumor that Stef put to rest in his intro presser. There will be a Monday post mortem of the week's game, but it is not uncommon for owners to attend those.
- Then please pass along to the others that it's not a 2020 concern.
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Make him back down??? Ceded authority???
1. Yes. From what they've been talking about this new alignment requires the coach to sit down with Jimmy and Dee Etc before putting together a game plan. Seems to me like they want a lot more Hands-On interaction with the day-to-day planning of the team. If you don't think Jimmy and Dee would ever override the coach's decision then feel free to tell me you think I'm wrong. On the other hand if you think there's a possibility (or even a probability) that they might pull something like telling Mike Pettine he had to start Johnny (which undermined the coach's Authority whether you believe it or not) then you might agree that I at least have a legitimate concern.
There are enough legitimate concerns to worry about without making shtuff up.
For me the key is the prep of the individual development plans Stef talked about in his intro. If these are done well, then it should be easy for players to buy in.
Same message to Terry who's worrying about OTA attendance. Whether OBJ or any other vet attends any in 2020 says nothing about Stef as a HC. It might say something in 2021, but not this year.
2. yes but that concern is not mutually exclusive of my own.
- You need to catch up. The "game plan meeting" was a false rumor that Stef put to rest in his intro presser. There will be a Monday post mortem of the week's game, but it is not uncommon for owners to attend those.
- Then please pass along to the others that it's not a 2020 concern.
- You need to catch up. The "game plan meeting" was a false rumor that Stef put to rest in his intro presser. There will be a Monday post mortem of the week's game, but it is not uncommon for owners to attend those.
- Then please pass along to the others that it's not a 2020 concern.
Well good. Frankly nobody will be happier than me if my concerns turn out to be for naught. I will expect no less than nine + seven.
But:
"I'm a superstitious man, and if some unlucky accident should befall the Cleveland Browns- if they they would to be shot in the head by a police officer, or be found hung dead in a jail cell... or if they should be struck by a bolt of lightning - then I'm going to blame some of the people in this room; and then I do not forgive. "
WSS
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Terry Pluto...... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/what-should-new-cleveland-browns-do-about-odell-beckham-jr.html
What should new Cleveland Browns leaders do about Odell Beckham Jr?
Updated Jan 16, 2:55 PM;Posted Jan 16, 2:54 PM
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Terry in his tactful way........
I’m not suggesting they address this question immediately. But they do need to deal with it before training camp opens in July:
What to do with Odell Beckham Jr.?
At his opening press conference, Stefanski delivered the terrific line of “Personality is welcome, production is required.”
Beckham delivers personality, especially an obsessive need to draw attention to himself. Then he wonders, “Why is everyone paying attention to me?”
The Browns will have to measure that against his possible production in 2020.
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Terry Pluto...... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/what-should-new-cleveland-browns-do-about-odell-beckham-jr.html
What should new Cleveland Browns leaders do about Odell Beckham Jr?
Updated Jan 16, 2:55 PM;Posted Jan 16, 2:54 PM
Terry Pluto...... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/what-should-new-cleveland-browns-do-about-odell-beckham-jr.html
What should new Cleveland Browns leaders do about Odell Beckham Jr?
Updated Jan 16, 2:55 PM;Posted Jan 16, 2:54 PM
You also have to weigh the effect of losing OBJ on Landry. Is he pro enough to not let it change his contributions to the team in the locker room and on the field if OBJ gets traded? Will we get help from another gifted receiver that fits well with the team without all the baggage? This is only my opinion, but I felt that having OBJ rather than a very good WR drafted really hurt Baker. First he lost a good OL to protect him and second there was pressure to look for OBJ rather than going through progressions properly. Instant disaster reflected in a soph slump.
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Terry Pluto...... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/what-should-new-cleveland-browns-do-about-odell-beckham-jr.html
What should new Cleveland Browns leaders do about Odell Beckham Jr?
Updated Jan 16, 2:55 PM;Posted Jan 16, 2:54 PM
You also have to weigh the effect of losing OBJ on Landry. Is he pro enough to not let it change his contributions to the team in the locker room and on the field if OBJ gets traded? Will we get help from another gifted receiver that fits well with the team without all the baggage? This is only my opinion, but I felt that having OBJ rather than a very good WR drafted really hurt Baker. First he lost a good OL to protect him and second there was pressure to look for OBJ rather than going through progressions properly. Instant disaster reflected in a soph slump.
You also have to weigh the effect of losing OBJ on Landry. Is he pro enough to not let it change his contributions to the team in the locker room and on the field if OBJ gets traded? Will we get help from another gifted receiver that fits well with the team without all the baggage? This is only my opinion, but I felt that having OBJ rather than a very good WR drafted really hurt Baker. First he lost a good OL to protect him and second there was pressure to look for OBJ rather than going through progressions properly. Instant disaster reflected in a soph slump.
More than you felt Freddie's force-feeding flushed offensive functionality in favor of forward-flinging flash ( fucking alliterate much?) directed in OBJ direction. Can't ever know, but I suspect that a healthy OBJ comes down with some of those 50/50 balls that wound up falling harmlessly to earth and that a few more would not have been 50/50's because a healthy OBJ separates more from the #1 CB's he faced week in and week out.
More than Landry's mental approach... after all he is a Pro... I'd be concerned about his productivity falling off for lack of (oh no... not again) a true #1. And I don't see a substitute "gifted receiver" falling into our lap.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You also have to weigh the effect of losing OBJ on Landry. Is he pro enough to not let it change his contributions to the team in the locker room and on the field if OBJ gets traded? Will we get help from another gifted receiver that fits well with the team without all the baggage? This is only my opinion, but I felt that having OBJ rather than a very good WR drafted really hurt Baker. First he lost a good OL to protect him and second there was pressure to look for OBJ rather than going through progressions properly. Instant disaster reflected in a soph slump.
More than you felt Freddie's force-feeding flushed offensive functionality in favor of forward-flinging flash ( fucking alliterate much?) directed in OBJ direction. Can't ever know, but I suspect that a healthy OBJ comes down with some of those 50/50 balls that wound up falling harmlessly to earth and that a few more would not have been 50/50's because a healthy OBJ separates more from the #1 CB's he faced week in and week out.
More than Landry's mental approach... after all he is a Pro... I'd be concerned about his productivity falling off for lack of (oh no... not again) a true #1. And I don't see a substitute "gifted receiver" falling into our lap.
More than you felt Freddie's force-feeding flushed offensive functionality in favor of forward-flinging flash ( fucking alliterate much?) directed in OBJ direction. Can't ever know, but I suspect that a healthy OBJ comes down with some of those 50/50 balls that wound up falling harmlessly to earth and that a few more would not have been 50/50's because a healthy OBJ separates more from the #1 CB's he faced week in and week out.
More than Landry's mental approach... after all he is a Pro... I'd be concerned about his productivity falling off for lack of (oh no... not again) a true #1. And I don't see a substitute "gifted receiver" falling into our lap.
Uh, um, I would think that OBJ (healthy) would be one of the Alpha Dog #1 WRs in the NFL.....fair to say?
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