The official Terry Pluto thread
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I can't open it. Can you copy and paste?
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I can't open it. Can you copy and paste?
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hmmm it opens for me okay
WSS
It's all in the wrist I guess. When I click on the link it brings me there, and then it goes black with a pop-up window telling me to sign in.
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hmmm it opens for me okay
WSS
It's all in the wrist I guess. When I click on the link it brings me there, and then it goes black with a pop-up window telling me to sign in.
It's all in the wrist I guess. When I click on the link it brings me there, and then it goes black with a pop-up window telling me to sign in.
Yes I've had that happen on occasion. For some reason it doesn't with this one and I never did subscribe. Sorry Orion
I tried to copy and paste the whole thing but it didn't seem to work.
WSS
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Maybe this work around... I think they might be in reverse order but still.
WSS
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Thanks muchly WSS !
We'll see if they can prepare like they need to...so they can play well and get a win against the Giants. It will take a certain mettle.
These next 2 games in NY are must wins. We do not want to have to beat the Steelers. It seems they can trot out Curtis Painter at QB and still beat us on the final week of the season. - we're different now, I know (at least I think I know)...but we want to qualify for the race before the final week of the season. Not interested in Pole Position this year. Just get in the race.
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Also screenshots just in case
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I think our defensive guys knew how beaten down Myles is by this virus and played accordingly! Glad for him that Myles got the late game 1/2 sack credit. He looked like he was near the end of a long Marathon from beginning to end, but just kept trying his best. The rest of the team picked it up for him.?
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This team just feels legit to me... Gotta love how these Browns play... scrappy fuckers... I love it!...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
This team just feels legit to me... Gotta love how these Browns play... scrappy fuckers... I love it!...
This team just feels legit to me... Gotta love how these Browns play... scrappy fuckers... I love it!...
Actually they are fun to watch ! Now back on primetime again.
GO BROWNS, 11-4 next Sunday, oh yeah.......baby !
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I think our defensive guys knew how beaten down Myles is by this virus and played accordingly! Glad for him that Myles got the late game 1/2 sack credit. He looked like he was near the end of a long Marathon from beginning to end, but just kept trying his best. The rest of the team picked it up for him.?
I think our defensive guys knew how beaten down Myles is by this virus and played accordingly! Glad for him that Myles got the late game 1/2 sack credit. He looked like he was near the end of a long Marathon from beginning to end, but just kept trying his best. The rest of the team picked it up for him.?
Maybe, but the Offense our D faced was NYG's... and it was a weakened NYG Offense at that.
We beat another bad team that we should have beaten... but at least this time we beat then easily.
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I think our defensive guys knew how beaten down Myles is by this virus and played accordingly! Glad for him that Myles got the late game 1/2 sack credit. He looked like he was near the end of a long Marathon from beginning to end, but just kept trying his best. The rest of the team picked it up for him.?
Maybe, but the Offense our D faced was NYG's... and it was a weakened NYG Offense at that.
We beat another bad team that we should have beaten... but at least this time we beat then easily.
Maybe, but the Offense our D faced was NYG's... and it was a weakened NYG Offense at that.
We beat another bad team that we should have beaten... but at least this time we beat then easily.
That was actually the best play at QB I had seen with the few Giants games I saw. Colt played decently but receivers betrayed him with stone hands.
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I know we have a Pluto thread and many Baker threads, but I thought this deserved it's own thread,
It's that good of a read.
Since I could see it I copied entire article in case you can't, but please try the link first. Give Terry the clicks he deserves for this gem.
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What do we now know about Baker Mayfield that we didn’t 16 games ago? – Terry’s Talkin’ Browns
By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer - CLEVELAND, Ohio
At the start of the season, the questions about Baker Mayfield were constant.
Is he “the guy”?
Is he a franchise quarterback?
Is he overrated, too small and destined to be mediocre?
That was 16 games ago. So what can be said about Mayfield now?
Most quarterbacks are prisoners of their last game. No other position leads to wilder mood swings than the quarterback. So what have we learned?
A LOT OF BAD HABITS
The new Browns front office and coaching staff decided to challenge Mayfield to make some significant changes from losing weight to new footwork to a new mental approach to the game.
Knowing Kevin Stefanski was Mayfield’s fourth head coach in three years, the Andrew Berry front office and Stefanski preached patience. They also broke the season down into the first eight games and the last eight games as a way to measure progress.
A year ago, coach Freddie Kitchens owed his job to Mayfield. He knew it. The team knew it. Mayfield knew it. Kitchens set up a throw-first offense around Mayfield. Browns fans know the story. The team lacked discipline. The record was 6-10. Mayfield threw 21 interceptions, second-most in the NFL. He ranked near the bottom of most passing categories.
There were a lot of bad habits to break.
WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN
Stefanski and offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt began preaching the gospel of the running game and don’t make turnovers.
Early in the season, running backs Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb were stars of the offense. Mayfield went from the fearless gunslinger looking to make big plays to the boring “game manager,” helping the rushing attack with a few passes. There were some rocky games. There were reasons to wonder if Mayfield was going to adapt.
In the past, Mayfield was told to just shake off an interception. Don’t sweat it. You’ll get the next one. This coaching staff had a different approach.
“We call them giveaways,” said Van Pelt. “We don’t want to give the defense anything. ... You get what you emphasize. We talk a lot about making great decisions and being OK with an incompletion.”
Then Van Pelt explained how “there’s always a guy open.” And who is that?
“The tuba player,” said Van Pelt. “If anything bad happens, the tuba player in the second row of the stands is always open. So we can just throw it away to him.”
Baker Mayfield celebrates after winning the game against the Pittsburgh Steelers and clinching a playoff spot. Joshua Gunter, cleveland.com
THE MIDSEASON REPORT
In his first eight games, Mayfield had completed 61.4 percent of his passes, 15 TDs vs. seven interceptions. His QB rating was 90.9. The Browns were pleased with his progress, but thought so much more was coming.
The team had a 5-3 record at the bye week. Only twice in those first eight games did the coaches ask Mayfield to throw more than 30 passes in a game.
First, the Browns were de-programming Mayfield from some of his less-disciplined passes and overall approach the game. The next step was turning him into a winning NFL quarterback, and that was built on a relationship between Stefanski, Van Pelt and Mayfield.
Baker Mayfield talks with head coach Kevin Stefanski and offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt in the second half of the season-opening loss to Baltimore.John Kuntz, cleveland.com
IT TAKES TRUST
After playing for Hue Jackson, Gregg Williams, Kitchens and finally Stefanski – it had to be overwhelming. His confidence had to be shaken at times.
“The relationship (between Mayfield and the coaches) takes time,” said Van Pelt. “The more open he is to coaching, the more we coaches are open to his ideas. ... If there is constant communication, (that produces) constant trust.”
Van Pelt discussed this point after 14 games. “Baker is really on the same page as the coaching staff,” he said. “He is performing at a high level.”
The coaches were allowing Mayfield to throw more often in the final eight games. He went from averaging 28 passes a game in the first games to 33 passes in the final eight.
“It’s trusting these guys around me,” said Mayfield. “It’s trusting the guys up front, going through my progressions and just delivering the ball and letting them make the plays.“
THE TOTAL GAME
Mayfield was learning to see the entire game, much like a coach. He worked hard to praise others. That was clear after the Browns beat the Giants 20-6 to raise their record to 10-4.
“Our guys are making a ton of plays,” Mayfield said. “Our protection continues to be great, and these guys continue to make plays for us. That is why the confidence is so high and I don’t have to do anything else. It is these guys doing their jobs.”
Then Mayfield said something very revealing: “I didn’t realize how hard it was to win in the league.”
In the second half of the season, the Browns were 6-2 to finish with an 11-5 record. That was their best record since 1994, earning their first trip to the playoffs since 2002. In those final eight games, Mayfield threw 11 TD passes compared to one interception. He completed 64 percent of his passes and had a rating of 100.1.
“We are a completely different team than we were early on – obviously, for the better,” Mayfield said. “We have learned a lot about ourselves scheme-wise, personnel-wise and what we need to do to have success.”
That goes for everyone in an orange helmet, especially the quarterback.
Cleveland Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield calls a play in the huddle in the first half, December 20, 2020, at MetLife Stadium.John Kuntz, cleveland.com
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT MAYFIELD?
1. He is coachable. He was challenged by Stefanski and Van Pelt to make some major changes. He had to go through some rough early games where he wasn’t comfortable with the new system. But he stayed with it.
2. He is durable: Mayfield has made 45 consecutive starts and has never missed a game to injury.
3. He learned how to win games and not worry about his passing stats.
4. He learned to hate interceptions. He threw only eight this season, down from 21.
5. The Browns surrounded him with a stronger offensive line. They have a power running game and solid receivers. But the QB is the key to making it work, especially if he works within the system. He is willing to do it.
6. The Browns were 11-5 and made the playoffs with him as a quarterback. That becomes the floor for his future. He is a winning quarterback. A playoff-caliber quarterback. A durable quarterback.
7. Finally, he is maturing as a quarterback and a person. He should be even better in 2021, finally having the same coaching staff for more than a year. The Browns have him under contract control for two more seasons, and they can begin to think long-term. But for now, the easy decision will come in March when they can pick up his option for the 2022 season.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I DID click on the link and was not disappointed. Terry Pluto remains a Cleveland Treasure!
Mike
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Great read. Baker is a team player and is extremely talented, no matter what is said about him in the future?. Not enough credit can be given to Stef and AVP
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