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  • calfoxwc C Dedicated Very Popular Conversation Starter Collaborator First Post Posting Machine Reacting Well Week One Done One Year In One Month Later
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    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    so... on Chubb's highlight reel TD catch - if he hadn't have been able to complete the catch - where the )_(& is the flag for defensive interference?

    The db is faceguarding, away from the ball, flagrantly....I've seen it called plenty of times before. Why no call here? How can any ref not see it?

    or.....am I missing something?

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      T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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      I don't think it's illegal anymore unless there is also contact before the ball arrives. My son now teaches his DBs to faceguard if they are hopelessly beaten so that they don't slow down when they look back. He verifies the rules with the refs before every game to make sure they understand the new rules. Pretty sure the NFL runs it that way now too for quite some time. They will call you for the premature contact more readily though if you are faceguarding.

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        Z Zombo wrote on last edited by
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        Not PI because Chubb came back to the ball, the safety was just doing his job and threw his arms up.

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          Not PI because Chubb came back to the ball, the safety was just doing his job and threw his arms up.

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          darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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          Zombo said:

          Not PI because Chubb came back to the ball, the safety was just doing his job and threw his arms up.

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          If in doubt just go to Zombo in the booth 🙂

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            jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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            This is great defense actually. Face guarding is 100% legal if the guy doesn't get significantly impeded which Chubb clearly was not. You're not wrong that this often gets called, but he didn't even lose a step in his attempt to catch the ball. It's great to know though that Chubb also has the ability to Moss someone on top of everything else. 

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              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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              Thanks !

                 It just seems weird to have to catch the ball with the db's helmet between your arms and looking right at you.

              I remember all sorts of calls and they say " he got called because he was not trying to look back for the ball"...

              but I appreciate the explanations !

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                Thanks !

                   It just seems weird to have to catch the ball with the db's helmet between your arms and looking right at you.

                I remember all sorts of calls and they say " he got called because he was not trying to look back for the ball"...

                but I appreciate the explanations !

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                Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                @calfoxwc said:

                I appreciate the explanations !

                Really only needed one... the right one.

                @texasag1969 said:

                I don't think it's illegal anymore unless there is also contact before the ball arrives.

                Ding Ding Ding...

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                  I don't think it's illegal anymore unless there is also contact before the ball arrives. My son now teaches his DBs to faceguard if they are hopelessly beaten so that they don't slow down when they look back. He verifies the rules with the refs before every game to make sure they understand the new rules. Pretty sure the NFL runs it that way now too for quite some time. They will call you for the premature contact more readily though if you are faceguarding.

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                  jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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                  @texasag1969 said:

                  I don't think it's illegal anymore unless there is also contact before the ball arrives. My son now teaches his DBs to faceguard if they are hopelessly beaten so that they don't slow down when they look back. He verifies the rules with the refs before every game to make sure they understand the new rules. Pretty sure the NFL runs it that way now too for quite some time. They will call you for the premature contact more readily though if you are faceguarding.

                  I also think it's how the face-guarding impacts the play, if that makes sense. Like, if Chubb came back to the ball and ran into the defender and fell down, I think they'd call it. Because then the defender would've been face-guarding and impeding Chubb from the path of the ball. In other words, if Chubb sold it, they would have almost HAD to call it. But we don't have beetches on our team. Chubb just went and scored. 

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                    CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS wrote on last edited by
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                    The ball was a little under thrown so Chubb plucked it off the DB, and the DB didn’t make much contact before the ball got there.

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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      I don't think it's illegal anymore unless there is also contact before the ball arrives. My son now teaches his DBs to faceguard if they are hopelessly beaten so that they don't slow down when they look back. He verifies the rules with the refs before every game to make sure they understand the new rules. Pretty sure the NFL runs it that way now too for quite some time. They will call you for the premature contact more readily though if you are faceguarding.

                      I also think it's how the face-guarding impacts the play, if that makes sense. Like, if Chubb came back to the ball and ran into the defender and fell down, I think they'd call it. Because then the defender would've been face-guarding and impeding Chubb from the path of the ball. In other words, if Chubb sold it, they would have almost HAD to call it. But we don't have beetches on our team. Chubb just went and scored. 

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                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                      @jiggins7919 said:

                      Like, if Chubb came back to the ball and ran into the defender and fell down, I think they'd call it. Because then the defender would've been face-guarding and impeding Chubb from the path of the ball. In other words

                      a/k/a "contact"...

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