Kitchens And Williams
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I recently read an article about this situation that said Dorsey will have to find a way to keep emotion out of his decision. It's difficult because the team is playing well, the players are responding to coaches, and he doesn't want to screw up momentum. But the author said that Dorsey has to look through all of that and really try to look everywhere for a coach that could be even better than what we have now. We're an attractive destination (for once), and while I'll stop short of saying we can have any coach we want, I do think it's fair to say that we're the premier anticipated vacancy. More so than Green Bay.
The author cited several examples of failed coaching rollovers, such as Mangini winning 3 or 4 in a row to end a year, and then coming back to completely suck. Romeo Crennell having that one magical year, and then coming back to reality and sucking balls. I forget the others, but you get the point.
I'm not sure what's going to happen, but I don't think you can bring back Gregg Williams if he's not going to be the head coach. Like, if we hired Arians and kept Kitchens as the OC, I don't believe Gregg could just go back to being the DC. I think it'd confuse the players, blur roles, and possibly screw up our team mojo.
Could we keep everything the way it is now? We COULD, but I don't think we will. For one thing, if Dorsey WAS going to keep the status quo, he probably would have already announced it. I mean, why not? Your team is playing well, they're playing together, and you're winning games. I myself am kind of rooting for things to stay the same (new special teams coach though). Of course, I also wanted Hue Jackson to come back last year for the sake of continuity, so what do I freaking know?
You’re wrong on one thing. Dorsey said that he will not address the HC situation until the season is over. And he has stuck to that. Everyone else wants to put words in Dorsey’s mouth. He’s remained silent
Dorsey said that he will not address the HC situation until the season is over. And he has stuck to that. Everyone else wants to put words in Dorsey’s mouth. He’s remained silent
read somewhere, Dorsey will have a presser Monday morning 9am..kinda think Haslam will be sitting to his left. the less Jimma's chitletts move the better..Baker in his best Dorsey sweater to his right would be awesome
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I recently read an article about this situation that said Dorsey will have to find a way to keep emotion out of his decision. It's difficult because the team is playing well, the players are responding to coaches, and he doesn't want to screw up momentum. But the author said that Dorsey has to look through all of that and really try to look everywhere for a coach that could be even better than what we have now. We're an attractive destination (for once), and while I'll stop short of saying we can have any coach we want, I do think it's fair to say that we're the premier anticipated vacancy. More so than Green Bay.
The author cited several examples of failed coaching rollovers, such as Mangini winning 3 or 4 in a row to end a year, and then coming back to completely suck. Romeo Crennell having that one magical year, and then coming back to reality and sucking balls. I forget the others, but you get the point.
I'm not sure what's going to happen, but I don't think you can bring back Gregg Williams if he's not going to be the head coach. Like, if we hired Arians and kept Kitchens as the OC, I don't believe Gregg could just go back to being the DC. I think it'd confuse the players, blur roles, and possibly screw up our team mojo.
Could we keep everything the way it is now? We COULD, but I don't think we will. For one thing, if Dorsey WAS going to keep the status quo, he probably would have already announced it. I mean, why not? Your team is playing well, they're playing together, and you're winning games. I myself am kind of rooting for things to stay the same (new special teams coach though). Of course, I also wanted Hue Jackson to come back last year for the sake of continuity, so what do I freaking know?
You’re wrong on one thing. Dorsey said that he will not address the HC situation until the season is over. And he has stuck to that. Everyone else wants to put words in Dorsey’s mouth. He’s remained silent
You’re wrong on one thing. Dorsey said that he will not address the HC situation until the season is over. And he has stuck to that. Everyone else wants to put words in Dorsey’s mouth. He’s remained silent
That's a fair point. I guess I was just saying that perspectives can change, and Dorsey reserves the right to change his mind if he wants to. But you're right, he said he'd address it after the season and he generally sticks to his word. Man, how good does it feel to have a GM you believe in? You know what also feels good? I literally haven't looked at one single mock draft all year. I can't even THINK of the last time that happened.
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Gotta LOVE Kitchens. He's the perfect OC for the Browns offense.
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You’re wrong on one thing. Dorsey said that he will not address the HC situation until the season is over. And he has stuck to that. Everyone else wants to put words in Dorsey’s mouth. He’s remained silent
That's a fair point. I guess I was just saying that perspectives can change, and Dorsey reserves the right to change his mind if he wants to. But you're right, he said he'd address it after the season and he generally sticks to his word. Man, how good does it feel to have a GM you believe in? You know what also feels good? I literally haven't looked at one single mock draft all year. I can't even THINK of the last time that happened.
That's a fair point. I guess I was just saying that perspectives can change, and Dorsey reserves the right to change his mind if he wants to. But you're right, he said he'd address it after the season and he generally sticks to his word. Man, how good does it feel to have a GM you believe in? You know what also feels good? I literally haven't looked at one single mock draft all year. I can't even THINK of the last time that happened.
It’s actually funny. So many people saying this or that. But the ones that really matter haven’t uttered a peep about it. My feeling is that presser that’s scheduled will be to announce that we’re standing pat on our coaching staff. I know Haslam’s an idiot but is he so stupid as to blow up the best thing that’s happened to the Browns coaching staff in 25 years or so?
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Gotta LOVE Kitchens. He's the perfect OC for the Browns offense.
Gotta agree. A lot of that is also due to some good head coaching. Gregg has some input for the offensive coordinator, then let’s him go. Work with Baker, open things up and such....that’s a good combination when you have coaching and players on the same page. And as much as I like Freddie, I just don’t think he’s all that without a good boss
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Dorsey said that he will not address the HC situation until the season is over. And he has stuck to that. Everyone else wants to put words in Dorsey’s mouth. He’s remained silent
read somewhere, Dorsey will have a presser Monday morning 9am..kinda think Haslam will be sitting to his left. the less Jimma's chitletts move the better..Baker in his best Dorsey sweater to his right would be awesome
read somewhere, Dorsey will have a presser Monday morning 9am..kinda think Haslam will be sitting to his left. the less Jimma's chitletts move the better..Baker in his best Dorsey sweater to his right would be awesome
actually i think having williams to his right would bode better for the team
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read somewhere, Dorsey will have a presser Monday morning 9am..kinda think Haslam will be sitting to his left. the less Jimma's chitletts move the better..Baker in his best Dorsey sweater to his right would be awesome
actually i think having williams to his right would bode better for the team
actually i think having williams to his right would bode better for the team
Good idea! That would say a lot. And the Haslams can watch at home like me
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Good idea! That would say a lot. And the Haslams can watch at home like me
exactly the less we see of them the better
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But what does that entail?
Haslam walks into Dorsey's office and says, "I don't want you to hire your own coach. I want Williams as HC and Kitchens as OC."
Then Dorsey walks into Williams' office and says, "You can be the HC but you can't hire your own OC. It has to be Kitchens."
How do ya go about it? Without it being a shotgun marriage?
Quit acting like Tony Grossi... I saw that on the Red Zone and wanted to choke him...
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About Gregg Williams, he came up through the coaching tree of Buddy Ryan who was a pretty good defensive coach. Rex Ryan became a coach because of Buddy Ryan’s penis. One is a coach, the other is a dick
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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports interim coach Gregg Williams isn't considered "anything close" to a frontrunner for the Browns' full-time job.
This isn't a surprise — Williams was never more than a placeholder. The Browns have had a second half turnaround under OC Freddie Kitchens, but there's no mandate to keep Kitchens or Williams under the new coaching staff. Williams won't struggle to resurface in another defensive coordinator role this offseason.hope this not true i get bad feeling we are gonna go after gase or mcdanial -
Lincoln Riley coaching is losing to saben. A failed nfl coach.
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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports interim coach Gregg Williams isn't considered "anything close" to a frontrunner for the Browns' full-time job.
This isn't a surprise — Williams was never more than a placeholder. The Browns have had a second half turnaround under OC Freddie Kitchens, but there's no mandate to keep Kitchens or Williams under the new coaching staff. Williams won't struggle to resurface in another defensive coordinator role this offseason.hope this not true i get bad feeling we are gonna go after gase or mcdanialNFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports interim coach Gregg Williams isn't considered "anything close" to a frontrunner for the Browns' full-time job.
This isn't a surprise — Williams was never more than a placeholder. The Browns have had a second half turnaround under OC Freddie Kitchens, but there's no mandate to keep Kitchens or Williams under the new coaching staff. Williams won't struggle to resurface in another defensive coordinator role this offseason.hope this not true i get bad feeling we are gonna go after gase or mcdanialYou watch those guys? Birds of a feather.
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And once again, not one person that is associated with the team says anything. This is just one mans opinion. A stupid one at that. Green Bay has been talking to people and yet Dorsey has this pretty much on the back burner as he said he would. Tomorrow will let us know. Dorsey seems like a very good judge of talent and character.
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Lincoln Riley coaching is losing to saben. A failed nfl coach.
As I said before the game, the little fraud 12 (can't even get the real number right) is not used to defense. Game was really over @ 28-0. And a shortstop (which is what he should be) pumped a little life with his legs, not the arm which is not NFL level. Just say no to Lincoln. Has no idea how to run an NFL level defense and has had a passer and a runner to score for him behind some talent in the OL.
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According to the PD and all the others. Blake is DC with input from Gregg as Freddy is OC with input from Gregg. Williams is an experienced head coach and shows it
That's the same way I've understood it. He's been on a learning curve where less and less input from his father is required. It almost feels like yesterday when Blake was an All State player from Western NY. He was an absolute stud on both sides of the ball with leadership qualities and instincts destined to make him an ideal football coach... And here we are - what it is man....
I don't know about anyone else but I'd HATE to see them put all the progress, chemistry and continuity building here up in smoke with Lincoln Riley or even the Bruce Arians who had to leave coaching because stress wasn't good for his heart disease. Regardless of what happens today - to knee jerk Gregg Williams out of town is going to piss off A LOT of players that stayed the course because of him. Hard to underestimate. Right now - we've become a recruiting attraction for veteran FAs. When they talk to the guys that LOVE to play for Gregg Williams - that will help to close the deal on some important signings for next season.
McCarthy did a nice job developing Rodgers many moons ago. That said, nobody has more Rookie of the Week honors than Baker this year. Kitchens is doing a great job especially knowing he isn't being micro-managed or receiving a complete lack of trust from Williams. Some will say why not make Kitchens the HC? First, how LONG has he even been an OC here? Second, how often do Coordinators ace their first HC opportunity inclusive of Belicheck here (only 1 winning season in 5 years, but 0-3 vrs Pitt in that 1 season). If that's not a good example, Romeo Crennel, Lindy Infante, Wade Wilson, and Norv Turner didn't ace any of their HC opportunities (but were excellent Coordinators for more than 1 team).
Again, why hurry to change what just finally pleased our fan base and restored faith in a lot of fans that never thought it would be possible again? As much as I love a lot of things Dorsey has done here - we're 1 bad move away from feeling like we're in check mate again. No FREAKIN thanks! And I don't feel like saying FREAKIN if you know what I mean...
If we get rathoused today - you never read this...
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According to the PD and all the others. Blake is DC with input from Gregg as Freddy is OC with input from Gregg. Williams is an experienced head coach and shows it
That's the same way I've understood it. He's been on a learning curve where less and less input from his father is required. It almost feels like yesterday when Blake was an All State player from Western NY. He was an absolute stud on both sides of the ball with leadership qualities and instincts destined to make him an ideal football coach... And here we are - what it is man....
I don't know about anyone else but I'd HATE to see them put all the progress, chemistry and continuity building here up in smoke with Lincoln Riley or even the Bruce Arians who had to leave coaching because stress wasn't good for his heart disease. Regardless of what happens today - to knee jerk Gregg Williams out of town is going to piss off A LOT of players that stayed the course because of him. Hard to underestimate. Right now - we've become a recruiting attraction for veteran FAs. When they talk to the guys that LOVE to play for Gregg Williams - that will help to close the deal on some important signings for next season.
McCarthy did a nice job developing Rodgers many moons ago. That said, nobody has more Rookie of the Week honors than Baker this year. Kitchens is doing a great job especially knowing he isn't being micro-managed or receiving a complete lack of trust from Williams. Some will say why not make Kitchens the HC? First, how LONG has he even been an OC here? Second, how often do Coordinators ace their first HC opportunity inclusive of Belicheck here (only 1 winning season in 5 years, but 0-3 vrs Pitt in that 1 season). If that's not a good example, Romeo Crennel, Lindy Infante, Wade Wilson, and Norv Turner didn't ace any of their HC opportunities (but were excellent Coordinators for more than 1 team).
Again, why hurry to change what just finally pleased our fan base and restored faith in a lot of fans that never thought it would be possible again? As much as I love a lot of things Dorsey has done here - we're 1 bad move away from feeling like we're in check mate again. No FREAKIN thanks! And I don't feel like saying FREAKIN if you know what I mean...
If we get rathoused today - you never read this...
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But what does that entail?
Haslam walks into Dorsey's office and says, "I don't want you to hire your own coach. I want Williams as HC and Kitchens as OC."
Then Dorsey walks into Williams' office and says, "You can be the HC but you can't hire your own OC. It has to be Kitchens."
How do ya go about it? Without it being a shotgun marriage?
Quit acting like Tony Grossi... I saw that on the Red Zone and wanted to choke him...
Quit acting like Tony Grossi... I saw that on the Red Zone and wanted to choke him...
Like the line in the song
paranoia runs deep.... especially around here
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