Looking back on Bill
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They moved away and THEN won a super bowl. The ultimate snub.
We hated Bill because he cut Kosar....WHILE Testaverde was injured and thought might be out for the year. He inserted Todd Philcox. We watched Philcox play horribly (as expected) and lose while Bernie played the following sunday for Dallas....and won 2 of 3 games. We had a pretty good team. And it went into the sewer...while Kosar could've kept us afloat until Testaverde came back. - The cutting of Kosar was not in the best interest of the football team at that time.
Who moved away. The Browns never moved never ever.
Who moved away. The Browns never moved never ever.
Man, you've been extra Gipperish this week.
Yes, the Browns moved.
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To guys like Trollie, who still claim the Ravens are the Browns... and Modell will still go down in history as the owner firing two HOF coaches...
Here's the truth that Browns fans don't want to hear:
Modell was right to fire both.
There are quite a few Browns players on record that say the Browns would not have won the 1964 NFL Title with Paul Brown as head coach. And as great of a head coach Paul Brown was, Blanton Collier had the EXACT SAME WIN PERCENTAGE as head coach as Brown for the NFL Browns. (The AAFC years push Brown's win % way up).
And Belichick himself said that he needed to be fired from the Browns/Ravens job if he ever wanted to become the head coach he is now.
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I read the piece... Bill was such an asshole while he was here... I remember vividly how I wanted to squeeze his throat and squeeze the living fuck out of his life!... I hate that mother fucker... call me bitter I guess....
EDIT: Seeing 'Metcalf up the middle' to no avail just infuriated me... It never worked... Then there was Steve Crosby.. a real piece of offensive genius..Complete buffoon... LOL!!
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Who moved away. The Browns never moved never ever.
Man, you've been extra Gipperish this week.
Yes, the Browns moved.
Man, you've been extra Gipperish this week.
Yes, the Browns moved.
How much money you want to bet
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One of the first things Bill did after taking control of the Browns what is the cut back on the Press perks. Free food hanging out on the team bus or airplane etc etc. So you piss off sportswriters community and guess what happens to your coverage?
WSS
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One of the first things Bill did after taking control of the Browns what is the cut back on the Press perks. Free food hanging out on the team bus or airplane etc etc. So you piss off sportswriters community and guess what happens to your coverage?
WSS
One of the first things Bill did after taking control of the Browns what is the cut back on the Press perks. Free food hanging out on the team bus or airplane etc etc. So you piss off sportswriters community and guess what happens to your coverage?
WSS
So in other words he was a many and varied asshole
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One of the first things Bill did after taking control of the Browns what is the cut back on the Press perks. Free food hanging out on the team bus or airplane etc etc. So you piss off sportswriters community and guess what happens to your coverage?
WSS
So in other words he was a many and varied asshole
So in other words he was a many and varied asshole
Bernie Kosar was once a fine quarterback.
So was Drew Bledsoe.
WSS
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Man, you've been extra Gipperish this week.
Yes, the Browns moved.
How much money you want to bet
How much money you want to bet
Weird how every player on the 1995 Browns roster and every coach on the 1995 Browns were not in Cleveland for the 1996 NFL season.
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How much money you want to bet
Weird how every player on the 1995 Browns roster and every coach on the 1995 Browns were not in Cleveland for the 1996 NFL season.
Weird how every player on the 1995 Browns roster and every coach on the 1995 Browns were not in Cleveland for the 1996 NFL season.
......and then there are those that think the earth is flat....and we never landed on the moon....and the new Ravens were 'clones' of the Browns organization, while the originals were zapped into non existence by gamma rays. - The reality is, the Browns moved to Baltimore, and subsequently were told to paint themselves purple and call themselves something other than the Browns. (ok, I lied. they weren't told to paint themselves purple...they chose to paint themselves purple) - Then we got a stadium, so we could have a team, and so we could select all special teamers in the plan B expansion draft. We came back into the league as dummies and remained that way until a blind squirrel finally found John Dorsey.
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How much money you want to bet
Weird how every player on the 1995 Browns roster and every coach on the 1995 Browns were not in Cleveland for the 1996 NFL season.
Weird how every player on the 1995 Browns roster and every coach on the 1995 Browns were not in Cleveland for the 1996 NFL season.
I didn’t think I would have to educate someone like you like you were stupid Steeler fan. Do I really have to after 25 years now educate our own people. Those players had their contracts assigned to the new Baltimore franchise. The Cleveland franchise never left the Cleveland Browns never left. Now you owe me lunch at Al’s
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Who moved away. The Browns never moved never ever.
Man, you've been extra Gipperish this week.
Yes, the Browns moved.
Man, you've been extra Gipperish this week.
Yes, the Browns moved.
Don't even try..... He'll argue what the definition of is is.
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How much money you want to bet
Weird how every player on the 1995 Browns roster and every coach on the 1995 Browns were not in Cleveland for the 1996 NFL season.
Weird how every player on the 1995 Browns roster and every coach on the 1995 Browns were not in Cleveland for the 1996 NFL season.
this time, I'll defend Gipper. as of X date- those players & coaches ceased to be "Browns".
Don't even try..... He'll argue what the definition of is is.
It's FYI the difference between "players" and "franchise". The players moved to Baltimore, the Browns franchise did not. The Ravens were an expansion franchise, filled with former Browns players. If you need any more proof, go look it up on the HOF website... The 1999 Browns were the original Browns franchise, filled with expansion players. Got it? There's a f**king huge difference...
If you still don't understand the difference, try to get this through your thick heads. When Irsay pulled the Colts out of Baltimore- everything went with them- including the records and colors. Johnny Unitas' records now reside in Indy. Where are the Browns colors and records? You say in Cleveland? Congrats... Because it's the same franchise.
Hell's bells, we had to deal with Balitmoron trolls for 10 years with this crap, and now Cleveland fans still swallow uninformed media BS. It's the same as saying that Deshone Kizer was a former Brown, now he's a Green Bay Packer. Sheeze......
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If a franchise at any particular moment is not defined by its players, the heck if I know what a franchise is.
We get that the Browns history, name, etc did not move from Cleveland, but the whole team moved, so it should be reasonable to say that there was a "move".
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If a franchise at any particular moment is not defined by its players, the heck if I know what a franchise is.
We get that the Browns history, name, etc did not move from Cleveland, but the whole team moved, so it should be reasonable to say that there was a "move".
If a franchise at any particular moment is not defined by its players, the heck if I know what a franchise is.
We get that the Browns history, name, etc did not move from Cleveland, but the whole team moved, so it should be reasonable to say that there was a "move".
It's just silly.
A team full of players, coaches, office personnel, trainers were being rooted on by myself, hoorta and Gipper in 1995 in Cleveland.
The next season, I, hoorta and Gipper WOULD HAVE been rooting for many of the same people but strangely, Cleveland Stadium was empty on Sundays. The team we would have been rooting for was now playing their home games in Baltimore's Memorial Stadium.
Now, none of their feats in '96 had any impact on the records of the Cleveland Browns, but lets just stop pretending that the team didn't move, regardless of technical semantics. Steve Everett didn't get fined by the NFL because he wore a CLEVELAND BROWNS bandanna on game days in 1996 for no reason.
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Man, you've been extra Gipperish this week.
Yes, the Browns moved.
Don't even try..... He'll argue what the definition of is is.
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If a franchise at any particular moment is not defined by its players, the heck if I know what a franchise is.
We get that the Browns history, name, etc did not move from Cleveland, but the whole team moved, so it should be reasonable to say that there was a "move".
If a franchise at any particular moment is not defined by its players, the heck if I know what a franchise is.
We get that the Browns history, name, etc did not move from Cleveland, but the whole team moved, so it should be reasonable to say that there was a "move".
I will not go into it now because I’m on my phone not on my computer but this goes directly to what is a legal matter. For this you have to understand franchise law a bit contract law assigibility of contracts etc. Let’s just say this franchise is not its players. It’s more the fans actually is in the players. Think of a franchise is something that has a deed. The owner of the franchise is the entity that owns and has his name on the deed
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If a franchise at any particular moment is not defined by its players, the heck if I know what a franchise is.
We get that the Browns history, name, etc did not move from Cleveland, but the whole team moved, so it should be reasonable to say that there was a "move".
It's just silly.
A team full of players, coaches, office personnel, trainers were being rooted on by myself, hoorta and Gipper in 1995 in Cleveland.
The next season, I, hoorta and Gipper WOULD HAVE been rooting for many of the same people but strangely, Cleveland Stadium was empty on Sundays. The team we would have been rooting for was now playing their home games in Baltimore's Memorial Stadium.
Now, none of their feats in '96 had any impact on the records of the Cleveland Browns, but lets just stop pretending that the team didn't move, regardless of technical semantics. Steve Everett didn't get fined by the NFL because he wore a CLEVELAND BROWNS bandanna on game days in 1996 for no reason.
It's just silly.
A team full of players, coaches, office personnel, trainers were being rooted on by myself, hoorta and Gipper in 1995 in Cleveland.
The next season, I, hoorta and Gipper WOULD HAVE been rooting for many of the same people but strangely, Cleveland Stadium was empty on Sundays. The team we would have been rooting for was now playing their home games in Baltimore's Memorial Stadium.
Now, none of their feats in '96 had any impact on the records of the Cleveland Browns, but lets just stop pretending that the team didn't move, regardless of technical semantics. Steve Everett didn't get fined by the NFL because he wore a CLEVELAND BROWNS bandanna on game days in 1996 for no reason.
It is technical semantics that you would lose your billion dollar bet on dude you get it you lose because of those technicalities if there was real money on the line I would have your money in my pocket. As it is like I said you just owe me lunch
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They moved away and THEN won a super bowl. The ultimate snub.
We hated Bill because he cut Kosar....WHILE Testaverde was injured and thought might be out for the year. He inserted Todd Philcox. We watched Philcox play horribly (as expected) and lose while Bernie played the following sunday for Dallas....and won 2 of 3 games. We had a pretty good team. And it went into the sewer...while Kosar could've kept us afloat until Testaverde came back. - The cutting of Kosar was not in the best interest of the football team at that time.
Who moved away. The Browns never moved never ever.
Who moved away. The Browns never moved never ever.
WTF is the argument here?
The owner of the franchise moved away with the franchise and a 18 wheeler or 2 full of it's possessions. He had every intention of taking the name of the franchise and colors of the storied tradition to Ratville with him (exactly like the Colts in Indy and Rams did in St Louis). Luckily, Baltimore never got to take the name of the franchise that went to 10 consecutive (Pro Football Championships) in their first 10 years of existence.
Like it's been argued; they did take some players that weren't PUMPED about leaving Cleveland just to go play for another city bailing Modell's business out of bankruptcy into good fortunes. These were guys we rooted for that wanted to make Cleveland a better franchise regardless of how much $ Art wanted to waste on the Andre Risons and Raymond Claybornes. If the NFL gave Cleveland in 99 the same 2 picks in rounds 1-3 they gave Ozzie Newsome, we might have got more picks right even if just by accident.
I never found it easy to hate ANY of the former Browns in Ratville. That was a huge conflict of interest for me; especially considering how much I wanted to see that owner fail in front of the 1 fan base that should have understood our situation far better than the lack of class they extended us for years.
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It's just silly.
A team full of players, coaches, office personnel, trainers were being rooted on by myself, hoorta and Gipper in 1995 in Cleveland.
The next season, I, hoorta and Gipper WOULD HAVE been rooting for many of the same people but strangely, Cleveland Stadium was empty on Sundays. The team we would have been rooting for was now playing their home games in Baltimore's Memorial Stadium.
Now, none of their feats in '96 had any impact on the records of the Cleveland Browns, but lets just stop pretending that the team didn't move, regardless of technical semantics. Steve Everett didn't get fined by the NFL because he wore a CLEVELAND BROWNS bandanna on game days in 1996 for no reason.
It is technical semantics that you would lose your billion dollar bet on dude you get it you lose because of those technicalities if there was real money on the line I would have your money in my pocket. As it is like I said you just owe me lunch
It is technical semantics that you would lose your billion dollar bet on dude you get it you lose because of those technicalities if there was real money on the line I would have your money in my pocket. As it is like I said you just owe me lunch
Comeon Gips - Enough already!
Technical semantics in this case is arguing for the sake of arguing like the Foolosh we always got from Ghoolosh. I always got the sense he thought if Vida Blue could pitch a no hitter on acid - he felt he could win a debate in here regardless of how much illegal TN Stupid juice and acid he powered down.
You're not being paid to win. You're in here to discuss a topic which involves reading and accepting some of the common ground people are presenting to you.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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