The spread is spreading
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Are you suggesting we run some spread? A few WildDawg formations every once in a while with Cribbs might be nice.
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Are you suggesting we run some spread? A few WildDawg formations every once in a while with Cribbs might be nice.
Are you suggesting we run some spread? A few WildDawg formations every once in a while with Cribbs might be nice.
No...at least for now.
Just pointing out the trend taking place. It will be interesting to see who uses it and how often.
If it works as well as I think it could, it will be even more interesting to see teams running to get it in place.
Tebow comes out next year. If he doesn't get hurt, and he becomes a top 10 pick, you just found the team who is going to use it as their base offense.
Actually, as it was said in the article, I could one day see teams going with 2 qbs based on what they want to do.
First, it would create a major headache for defensive coordinators when setting their gameplan each week, and in the long run, it would drive down the price teams pay for a qb as splitting time would lessen the leverage qbs currently have over teams.
Thanks for the reply.
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i disagreed then, and disagree now. QB's are too rare to waste on this system.
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i disagreed then, and disagree now. QB's are too rare to waste on this system.
We'll see how Tom Brady does again this year. He destroyed defenses in 2007.
There is a good article inside SI.COM about the demise of the Middle LB because of these systems. Kind of goes hand in hand with the above article.
Last of a Dying Breed - Middle LB's
Here is part of the article:
The position is going the way of the dinosaur for the same reason real dinosaurs disappeared. The landscape and climate have changed. The beginning of the end of the do-everything, Ray Lewis-type middle linebackers probably began with the advent of run-and-shoot and no-huddle offenses in the mid-1980s.
In a sense, football mad scientists Darrel "Mouse" Davis and Sam Wyche helped change the position.
When Jack Pardee hired Davis to implement the run-and-shoot for the Houston Gamblers in the upstart USFL in 1984, the numbers quarterback Jim Kelly put up were astounding. It was impossible for the NFL not to notice -- and copy. Offensive coordinators around the league began tinkering with run-and-shoot sets and by the late-1980s, the Houston Oilers went full run-and-shoot in the NFL with much success.
Meanwhile, Wyche was changing things in Cincinnati, implementing a no-huddle attack that fatigued opposing players, put a premium on smaller, faster defensive personnel and changed the way defensive coordinators game-planned. Bengals quarterback Boomer Esiason excelled under the attacking style, and the Buffalo Bills followed suit with a similarly fast-paced K-Gun that led to four Super Bowl appearances.
Defenses have been trying to adjust to variations of the run-and-shoot and no-huddle ever since
Offenses have spread the field with four- and five-wide sets. There have been one-back and no-back sets. There have been spreads, wider line-splits and now more teams turning to the WildDawg formation that extends the defense even more
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Are you suggesting we run some spread? A few WildDawg formations every once in a while with Cribbs might be nice.
No...at least for now.
Just pointing out the trend taking place. It will be interesting to see who uses it and how often.
If it works as well as I think it could, it will be even more interesting to see teams running to get it in place.
Tebow comes out next year. If he doesn't get hurt, and he becomes a top 10 pick, you just found the team who is going to use it as their base offense.
Actually, as it was said in the article, I could one day see teams going with 2 qbs based on what they want to do.
First, it would create a major headache for defensive coordinators when setting their gameplan each week, and in the long run, it would drive down the price teams pay for a qb as splitting time would lessen the leverage qbs currently have over teams.
Thanks for the reply.
First, it would create a major headache for defensive coordinators when setting their gameplan each week, and in the long run, it would drive down the price teams pay for a qb as splitting time would lessen the leverage qbs currently have over teams.
I agree. But what a major headache that would be for a GM signing these guys. Agents would argue who is more important to the team based on who their client QB is, and then if one doesn't sign they need to find another fit to the scheme, ect...
Trends come and go, some stick around longer than others. Defense changes and offense changes. Been a long while since someone like Lawrence Taylor came into the NFL and made offenses adapt. Lately seems that offenses have made the defense adapt their schemes and players, i.e., standing up DE's coming out of college since the LB's are getting getting smaller and faster out of college and require more coverage skills.
We'll see, said the Zen Master.
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peen likes this line of thinking and brings it up now and again.
I'm not buying it just yet. Spread offenses aren't designed to deal with the type of elite athleticism found at all 11 positions on an NFL caliber defense. You'd already see it as a mainstay. There's nothing I'm seeing "trend wise" that makes me think a college phenomena will become an NFL standard. And for every "spread" QB that comes out there's a Joe Flacco that is ready to sling it in the NFL.
We'll see but I'm betting a ton on the "under" with this one.
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i disagreed then, and disagree now. QB's are too rare to waste on this system.
I agree if you use the current model of a NFL QB.
The fact is there aren't enough to go around as it is.
Go to a spread, you open up a whole new world of QBs, thus the demand will be lowered a bit, and presumably the dollars you have to pay them.....something the NFL will like.
You can't think in terms of 15 year qb's...you have to think in terms of 7-8 year qbs.
Ten years from now drop back qbs are going to be even rarer because nobody is teaching them to play that way anymore.
Where is the NFL going to find a drop back QB??
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Ten years from now drop back qbs are going to be even rarer because nobody is teaching them to play that way anymore.
Baloney. Utter baloney.
Where were the NFL getting forward passing QB's in the 60's and 70's when everything in college was a wishbone?
I already mentioned Flacco as an example of a pure pocket passer. This kid came from DELAWARE. You don't think young kids going into college didn't notice?
If you are a big, strong kid with a good arm that you rely on more than your feet..... you know your going to play in the NFL before the spread QB. They'll find their way onto the field at the collegiate level and the NFL will, in turn, draft them. Nothing's changed.
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Great article. I think the transition will be slower than the author predicted, but we'll see bits & pieces piggy-backed onto the WCO more and more a la Pats '07.
Bill Walsh. Holy sahhmokes. How smart was that guy?*
*Hopefully we all remember where Billy boy came from.
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Grey.....not that many teams were running the bone in that era...not as many who are now running the spread.
The SEC ran it and the old SW conference ran it....maybe some in the Big 8.
It was also doomed to be a short live offense because it was a run based O with little ability to pass.
The spread is allows big passing lanes and allows a full assortment of runs even if your runners aren't always lined up directly behind the qb.
Face it....it allows a lot of the athletes who measure just a bit short by current NFL cookie cutters to become viable players.
It is really just a throwback by having a QB who can run and a morphing of the WCO.
I just see it as the natural progression of football.
I don't know when and where you start breaking down era's in football, but I guess I have seen 4 in my lifetime...each lasts maybe 15-20 years.
I saw the end of the 40's and 50's era, the 60's-70's. the 80's and 90's were pretty similar ...and now possibly a new transition.
Trust me....the game changes
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