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    jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
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    I see Fournette got in trouble today. Overall hes not been good, clashes with coaches and management. I suspect they may want to move on from him. They have plenty of holes and likely arent contenders this year or next. What are the odds we could offer Duke Johnson, one of our DB's and our 2020 1 for Jalen Ramsey. Would they do it? Would you do it. 

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      darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by darren15
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      I would do it .......Ramsey and Denzel  ...... 2 Islands nobody lands on.

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         trade for rsmsey would be intriguing. Id think a straight swap for duke would be enough to take that impending contract off the jags. He's a FA after 2020 i think. Or is it after next year?

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          gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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          The last i saw on Ramsey was 1) Jags put the 5th year option on Jalen feb of 2019. 2) His twitter says he ain't coming to camp till Jalen sees Josh Norman 15M/season. 3)Jags countered that with "they will negotiate with his agent up to & after the draft"....4) Let me guess? 1 year wonder Fournette showed up fat & out of shape again?

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            Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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            Zombo said:

            The Jags are deep at running back, driving with suspended is no big deal NFL-wise, and Duke Johnson is not much of a commodity.

            So next year's #1 for Ramsey... I think the Jags would be smarter to re-sign Ramsey.

            Agree... can't see JAX parting with Ramsay...

            ... and a Duke for Fournette offer might end up putting the JAX GM in the hospital.

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              OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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              Don't the Jets have Bell?

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                jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
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                Zombo said:

                The Jags are deep at running back, driving with suspended is no big deal NFL-wise, and Duke Johnson is not much of a commodity.

                So next year's #1 for Ramsey... I think the Jags would be smarter to re-sign Ramsey.

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                Jags have a ton of jags at RB IMO. While Duke isn’t a superstar he’s better than everyone except for Fournette. Fournette is not very good and he’s not a team guy. He’s getting the boot soon. 

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                  Zombo said:

                  The Jags are deep at running back, driving with suspended is no big deal NFL-wise, and Duke Johnson is not much of a commodity.

                  So next year's #1 for Ramsey... I think the Jags would be smarter to re-sign Ramsey.

                  Z

                  Jags have a ton of jags at RB IMO. While Duke isn’t a superstar he’s better than everyone except for Fournette. Fournette is not very good and he’s not a team guy. He’s getting the boot soon. 

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                  NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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                  @jcam222 said:

                  Fournette is not very good and he’s not a team guy. He’s getting the boot soon. 

                  Really? 

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                    @jcam222 said:

                    Fournette is not very good and he’s not a team guy. He’s getting the boot soon. 

                    Really? 

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                    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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                    @nero said:

                    Really? 

                    Same question for me. This article about him taking on his conditioning in Wyoming and reporting in great shape as a result says otherwise. The driving thing means nothing. He worked with his old LSU S&C coach to work off a lot of pounds and be in the shape he was in his LSU glory days. He showed up some 27 pounds lighter in the first camp (read that elsewhere) @ 223Lbs.. Pretty committed I'd say.

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                      @jcam222 said:

                      Fournette is not very good and he’s not a team guy. He’s getting the boot soon. 

                      Really? 

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                      @nero said:

                      Really? 

                      Not going to get into him as a teammate, but he's got a career 3.7 yards per carry after his first two seasons. 

                      There's some value as a guy who can consistently churn out 3 or 4 yards for a ball-control team (see: Eddie George) but as the 4th overall pick in the draft? Dude has been underwhelming so far considering his hype entering the NFL. 

                      Ezekiel Elliot, Saquon Barkley or Todd Gurley he is not. 

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                        @nero said:

                        Really? 

                        Not going to get into him as a teammate, but he's got a career 3.7 yards per carry after his first two seasons. 

                        There's some value as a guy who can consistently churn out 3 or 4 yards for a ball-control team (see: Eddie George) but as the 4th overall pick in the draft? Dude has been underwhelming so far considering his hype entering the NFL. 

                        Ezekiel Elliot, Saquon Barkley or Todd Gurley he is not. 

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                        @dutch-oven said:

                        Not going to get into him as a teammate, but he's got a career 3.7 yards per carry after his first two seasons. 

                        There's some value as a guy who can consistently churn out 3 or 4 yards for a ball-control team (see: Eddie George) but as the 4th overall pick in the draft? Dude has been underwhelming so far considering his hype entering the NFL. 

                        Ezekiel Elliot, Saquon Barkley or Todd Gurley he is not. 

                        This past injury ridden out of shape year drug that average down. He was great his first year and now he has reported in at his old playing weight. I'd be hesitant to drop or trade a player that good until I see how he does this coming season. He has redemption on his mind despite the minor license violation.

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                          NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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                          Problem with Fournette is that he has been asked to carry all the offense on his shoulders (Bortles makes Eli, Prescott and Goff look like Montana) while suffering an injury. 

                          And the defense didn't play as well as they did on 2017, so I can understand those numbers.

                          Though I agree that all those backs are better.

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                            T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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                            Fornette's first year he had 268 carries for 1,040 yds for a 3.9 average and added 36 reception for 306 yds. This is on a team with Bortles as QB, so defenses could gear up to stop the real weapon.

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                              Zombo said:

                              The Jags are deep at running back, driving with suspended is no big deal NFL-wise, and Duke Johnson is not much of a commodity.

                              So next year's #1 for Ramsey... I think the Jags would be smarter to re-sign Ramsey.

                              Z

                              Jags have a ton of jags at RB IMO. While Duke isn’t a superstar he’s better than everyone except for Fournette. Fournette is not very good and he’s not a team guy. He’s getting the boot soon. 

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                              Gunz41G Gunz41 wrote on last edited by
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                              @jcam222 said:

                              Jags have a ton of jags at RB IMO. While Duke isn’t a superstar he’s better than everyone except for Fournette. Fournette is not very good and he’s not a team guy. He’s getting the boot soon. 

                              I think you might be overvaluing Duke. If its just your opinion that Duke has more talent than the others, that is different. But Jags have 2 other backs who have shown to play at a higher level than Duke, Yeldon and Rawls.

                              If I were the Jags, with the presented trade offer of Duke, 2020 1st rounder and one of the DBs on the team, it would only make sense if that DB was Ward. If not, I get a 3rd string back, a low 1st round pick (who couldn't be relied upon to be as good as Jalen) and make my team worse on what we hang our hat on, defense.

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                                darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by darren15
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                                Yeldon is gone .......heading to Pats for a workout

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                                  Yeldon is gone .......heading to Pats for a workout

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                                  Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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                                  @darren15 said:

                                  Yeldon is gone .......heading to Pats for a workout

                                  lol.... and the next pats star RB is born...

                                  Although I would not be shocked if he were to see a lot of WR duty as well.

                                  Kinda the reverse Cordarelle Patterson...

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                                    @jcam222 said:

                                    Jags have a ton of jags at RB IMO. While Duke isn’t a superstar he’s better than everyone except for Fournette. Fournette is not very good and he’s not a team guy. He’s getting the boot soon. 

                                    I think you might be overvaluing Duke. If its just your opinion that Duke has more talent than the others, that is different. But Jags have 2 other backs who have shown to play at a higher level than Duke, Yeldon and Rawls.

                                    If I were the Jags, with the presented trade offer of Duke, 2020 1st rounder and one of the DBs on the team, it would only make sense if that DB was Ward. If not, I get a 3rd string back, a low 1st round pick (who couldn't be relied upon to be as good as Jalen) and make my team worse on what we hang our hat on, defense.

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                                    jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
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                                    @gunz41 said:

                                    I think you might be overvaluing Duke. If its just your opinion that Duke has more talent than the others, that is different. But Jags have 2 other backs who have shown to play at a higher level than Duke, Yeldon and Rawls.

                                    If I were the Jags, with the presented trade offer of Duke, 2020 1st rounder and one of the DBs on the team, it would only make sense if that DB was Ward. If not, I get a 3rd string back, a low 1st round pick (who couldn't be relied upon to be as good as Jalen) and make my team worse on what we hang our hat on, defense.

                                    Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder. 

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                                      @gunz41 said:

                                      I think you might be overvaluing Duke. If its just your opinion that Duke has more talent than the others, that is different. But Jags have 2 other backs who have shown to play at a higher level than Duke, Yeldon and Rawls.

                                      If I were the Jags, with the presented trade offer of Duke, 2020 1st rounder and one of the DBs on the team, it would only make sense if that DB was Ward. If not, I get a 3rd string back, a low 1st round pick (who couldn't be relied upon to be as good as Jalen) and make my team worse on what we hang our hat on, defense.

                                      Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder. 

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                                      Gunz41G Gunz41 wrote on last edited by
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                                      @jcam222 said:

                                      Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder. 

                                      I'm not questioning that part, but if you are the Jags do you accept that? Or look at it another way, would you trade Ward for Rawls, a DB not named Ramsey or Bouye and what will more than likely be a late 1st round pick?

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                                        @jcam222 said:

                                        Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder. 

                                        I'm not questioning that part, but if you are the Jags do you accept that? Or look at it another way, would you trade Ward for Rawls, a DB not named Ramsey or Bouye and what will more than likely be a late 1st round pick?

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                                        @gunz41 said:

                                        I'm not questioning that part, but if you are the Jags do you accept that? Or look at it another way, would you trade Ward for Rawls, a DB not named Ramsey or Bouye and what will more than likely be a late 1st round pick?

                                        Based on their current situation I think they might. 

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                                          @gunz41 said:

                                          I think you might be overvaluing Duke. If its just your opinion that Duke has more talent than the others, that is different. But Jags have 2 other backs who have shown to play at a higher level than Duke, Yeldon and Rawls.

                                          If I were the Jags, with the presented trade offer of Duke, 2020 1st rounder and one of the DBs on the team, it would only make sense if that DB was Ward. If not, I get a 3rd string back, a low 1st round pick (who couldn't be relied upon to be as good as Jalen) and make my team worse on what we hang our hat on, defense.

                                          Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder. 

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                                          @jcam222 said:

                                          Rawls has proven to be very inconsistent in what he offers. In my trade Duke and one of our lesser DB's are just addons to the 2020 first rounder. 

                                          You're positing a trade that's never going to happen. We could use a DB like Ramsey, but it would kill any remaining cap space. And we don't need Fournett.  Chubb + Hunt we're set at RB.

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