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  • Both should have been tossed...

    Neither was...

    On to San Francisco...

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  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    @bjh2130 said:

    You're right but my point is anytime a punch is thrown it's supposed to be automatic ejection.  So if they go back and look at it they very well may say OBJ threw a punch and should have been ejected but wasn't so we need to suspend him for a game. 

    Also I would be willing to bet that plenty of times players are choking the ball carrier at the bottom of piles a lot more often than one would think.  As tour astutely pointed out look at the Robert Reynolds choke that actually kept sorgi out of games afterwards. He thought he had enough cover from a pile to do so.  Im not excusing Humphrey's behavior at all I'm just not going to say "oh my God the audacity of Humphreys" knowing it goes on in piles at football games of every level from high school up. Honestly eye gouging in piles is a big reason visors have become such a commonplace.  It sure as hell isn't for glare because it can't be tinted enough to block out light (ask obj).

    I'm not sure anyone disagrees with you, I don't anyway. That argument doesn't really hold a ton of water though when you think about it. People steal from Walmart every day, but that doesn't mean the police shouldn't get involved if someone robs the place at gun point. Trust me, I've been in scraps on the field where spit and eye pokes weren't out of the question. I get it's part of the game

    But for Marlon to choke (read: strangle) an opponent in plain view is the equivalent of my example of a robbing a store at gun point. It went egregiously above the scrappy nature of football (of which I'd include blows being thrown). FWIW, I'd be saying the same thing if the situation was reversed. 

    @jrb12711 said:

    I'm not sure anyone disagrees with you, I don't anyway. That argument doesn't really hold a ton of water though when you think about it. People steal from Walmart every day, but that doesn't mean the police shouldn't get involved if someone robs the place at gun point. Trust me, I've been in scraps on the field where spit and eye pokes weren't out of the question. I get it's part of the game

    But for Marlon to choke (read: strangle) an opponent in plain view is the equivalent of my example of a robbing a store at gun point. It went egregiously above the scrappy nature of football (of which I'd include blows being thrown). FWIW, I'd be saying the same thing if the situation was reversed. 

    Again I am not defending Marlon I am saying that I would rather them not even look at the situation again so that they don't suspend OBJ for the game in San Francisco. To me the visibility of it doesn't make the act anymore egregious than if it happened in a pile.  In both instances a player is trying to choke another.   

    As tour said above both should have been ejected, but neither were. For that reason im not gonna get on my soapbox and say Humphrey needs to be suspended because he should have been ejected. If they retroactively punish one of them for the officials not electing to eject him they would need to do it to both of them. If you think both should be suspended then that's fine I don't think either should be suspended. I don't think you can call for a suspension to one and not the other though. 

  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    @bjh2130 said:

    You're right but my point is anytime a punch is thrown it's supposed to be automatic ejection.  So if they go back and look at it they very well may say OBJ threw a punch and should have been ejected but wasn't so we need to suspend him for a game. 

    Also I would be willing to bet that plenty of times players are choking the ball carrier at the bottom of piles a lot more often than one would think.  As tour astutely pointed out look at the Robert Reynolds choke that actually kept sorgi out of games afterwards. He thought he had enough cover from a pile to do so.  Im not excusing Humphrey's behavior at all I'm just not going to say "oh my God the audacity of Humphreys" knowing it goes on in piles at football games of every level from high school up. Honestly eye gouging in piles is a big reason visors have become such a commonplace.  It sure as hell isn't for glare because it can't be tinted enough to block out light (ask obj).

    I'm not sure anyone disagrees with you, I don't anyway. That argument doesn't really hold a ton of water though when you think about it. People steal from Walmart every day, but that doesn't mean the police shouldn't get involved if someone robs the place at gun point. Trust me, I've been in scraps on the field where spit and eye pokes weren't out of the question. I get it's part of the game

    But for Marlon to choke (read: strangle) an opponent in plain view is the equivalent of my example of a robbing a store at gun point. It went egregiously above the scrappy nature of football (of which I'd include blows being thrown). FWIW, I'd be saying the same thing if the situation was reversed. 

    @jrb12711 said:

    But for Marlon to choke (read: strangle) an opponent in plain view 

    Upon further review of closeup footage Marlon was not choking (read: strangling) OBJ like I originally thought.  His hands were on OBJ chest plate the entire time.  His right hand did slide off his chest plate when they first went down to the ground but he grabbed it right back.  He was pushing his chest plate up towards his head but he didn't have his hands directly on his throat/neck like I thought. 

  • bjh2130B bjh2130

    @jrb12711 said:

    But for Marlon to choke (read: strangle) an opponent in plain view 

    Upon further review of closeup footage Marlon was not choking (read: strangling) OBJ like I originally thought.  His hands were on OBJ chest plate the entire time.  His right hand did slide off his chest plate when they first went down to the ground but he grabbed it right back.  He was pushing his chest plate up towards his head but he didn't have his hands directly on his throat/neck like I thought. 

    @bjh2130 said:

    Upon further review of closeup footage Marlon was not choking (read: strangling) OBJ like I originally thought.  His hands were on OBJ chest plate the entire time.  His right hand did slide off his chest plate when they first went down to the ground but he grabbed it right back.  He was pushing his chest plate up towards his head but he didn't have his hands directly on his throat/neck like I thought. 

    I mean, nah man. He grabbed his jersey first sure, but then his hands went right to this throat for an extended period of time. Maybe it wasn't Homer Simpson strangling Bart level of hands on neck, but just because a jersey was between his hands and neck doesn't mean he wasn't  attempting to choke the dude.  Your head doesn't tilt back the way OBJ's did if he's on his chest plate. Marlon essentially admitted what he did and apologized.

    It's honestly pathetic journalism from the Ravens, and this isn't a "hurr Ravens suck durr" type of thing. That article reads like someone trying to explain how their business isn't a pyramid scheme. If you have to explain why something DIDN'T happen, it just did.

  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    @bjh2130 said:

    Upon further review of closeup footage Marlon was not choking (read: strangling) OBJ like I originally thought.  His hands were on OBJ chest plate the entire time.  His right hand did slide off his chest plate when they first went down to the ground but he grabbed it right back.  He was pushing his chest plate up towards his head but he didn't have his hands directly on his throat/neck like I thought. 

    I mean, nah man. He grabbed his jersey first sure, but then his hands went right to this throat for an extended period of time. Maybe it wasn't Homer Simpson strangling Bart level of hands on neck, but just because a jersey was between his hands and neck doesn't mean he wasn't  attempting to choke the dude.  Your head doesn't tilt back the way OBJ's did if he's on his chest plate. Marlon essentially admitted what he did and apologized.

    It's honestly pathetic journalism from the Ravens, and this isn't a "hurr Ravens suck durr" type of thing. That article reads like someone trying to explain how their business isn't a pyramid scheme. If you have to explain why something DIDN'T happen, it just did.

    @jrb12711 said:

    I mean, nah man. He grabbed his jersey first sure, but then his hands went right to this throat for an extended period of time. Maybe it wasn't Homer Simpson strangling Bart level of hands on neck, but just because a jersey was between his hands and neck doesn't mean he wasn't  attempting to choke the dude.  Your head doesn't tilt back the way OBJ's did if he's on his chest plate. Marlon essentially admitted what he did and apologized.

    It's honestly pathetic journalism from the Ravens, and this isn't a "hurr Ravens suck durr" type of thing. That article reads like someone trying to explain how their business isn't a pyramid scheme. If you have to explain why something DIDN'T happen, it just did.

    I don't know what you are referring to about there journalism by ravens I was just referring to the closeup video I watched on a tweet by browns access. If you push someone's chest plate on their shoulder pads up towards the head your head will certainly tilt back like that.  Anyhow we can agree to disagree. the league has reviewed it and moved on with no further discipline so I will move on with no further discussion. 

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