Personel Issues
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My observation during this game tonight is that the Browns have a certain problem with the makeup of this roster. At least, it seems in a couple of areas that I could seem to tell:
A. We miss Duke Johnson. At least we miss a guy like him, if not him. By that I mean a 3rd down back that can be used in passing situations and that can be a outlet receiver when Baker gets in trouble. Not one time tonight did I see where Baker did a checkdown to his outlet RB when he was in trouble. Has it happened any time this year? Baker was constantly being pursued...and constantly had to throw off his back foot downfield....because there was no one short for him to lay the ball off to. Was it a specific plan by Dorsey and the coaching staff to have no one like that available? Is that what this offense is all about?
B. We miss having a Fullback. Again, Donald...and others constantly were getting by the OL...with a direct line to Baker who had to scramble. Why do we not have a masher of a FB who can get in the face of pressure up the middle and check them or lay into them on their way to the QB. I don't recall ever seeing Chubb handle that role much.
So, its fine that we can have 3 wides, and 2 TEs. But those guys are not meant to protect the QB, either as a blocker or as an outlet receiver (though...shouldn't a TE perhaps be that...ours are not.
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My observation during this game tonight is that the Browns have a certain problem with the makeup of this roster. At least, it seems in a couple of areas that I could seem to tell:
A. We miss Duke Johnson. At least we miss a guy like him, if not him. By that I mean a 3rd down back that can be used in passing situations and that can be a outlet receiver when Baker gets in trouble. Not one time tonight did I see where Baker did a checkdown to his outlet RB when he was in trouble. Has it happened any time this year? Baker was constantly being pursued...and constantly had to throw off his back foot downfield....because there was no one short for him to lay the ball off to. Was it a specific plan by Dorsey and the coaching staff to have no one like that available? Is that what this offense is all about?
B. We miss having a Fullback. Again, Donald...and others constantly were getting by the OL...with a direct line to Baker who had to scramble. Why do we not have a masher of a FB who can get in the face of pressure up the middle and check them or lay into them on their way to the QB. I don't recall ever seeing Chubb handle that role much.
So, its fine that we can have 3 wides, and 2 TEs. But those guys are not meant to protect the QB, either as a blocker or as an outlet receiver (though...shouldn't a TE perhaps be that...ours are not.
My observation during this game tonight is that the Browns have a certain problem with the makeup of this roster. At least, it seems in a couple of areas that I could seem to tell:
A. We miss Duke Johnson. At least we miss a guy like him, if not him. By that I mean a 3rd down back that can be used in passing situations and that can be a outlet receiver when Baker gets in trouble. Not one time tonight did I see where Baker did a checkdown to his outlet RB when he was in trouble. Has it happened any time this year? Baker was constantly being pursued...and constantly had to throw off his back foot downfield....because there was no one short for him to lay the ball off to. Was it a specific plan by Dorsey and the coaching staff to have no one like that available? Is that what this offense is all about?
B. We miss having a Fullback. Again, Donald...and others constantly were getting by the OL...with a direct line to Baker who had to scramble. Why do we not have a masher of a FB who can get in the face of pressure up the middle and check them or lay into them on their way to the QB. I don't recall ever seeing Chubb handle that role much.
So, its fine that we can have 3 wides, and 2 TEs. But those guys are not meant to protect the QB, either as a blocker or as an outlet receiver (though...shouldn't a TE perhaps be that...ours are not.
Is Lawrence Vickers available?
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My observation during this game tonight is that the Browns have a certain problem with the makeup of this roster. At least, it seems in a couple of areas that I could seem to tell:
A. We miss Duke Johnson. At least we miss a guy like him, if not him. By that I mean a 3rd down back that can be used in passing situations and that can be a outlet receiver when Baker gets in trouble. Not one time tonight did I see where Baker did a checkdown to his outlet RB when he was in trouble. Has it happened any time this year? Baker was constantly being pursued...and constantly had to throw off his back foot downfield....because there was no one short for him to lay the ball off to. Was it a specific plan by Dorsey and the coaching staff to have no one like that available? Is that what this offense is all about?
B. We miss having a Fullback. Again, Donald...and others constantly were getting by the OL...with a direct line to Baker who had to scramble. Why do we not have a masher of a FB who can get in the face of pressure up the middle and check them or lay into them on their way to the QB. I don't recall ever seeing Chubb handle that role much.
So, its fine that we can have 3 wides, and 2 TEs. But those guys are not meant to protect the QB, either as a blocker or as an outlet receiver (though...shouldn't a TE perhaps be that...ours are not.
Is Lawrence Vickers available?
Is Lawrence Vickers available?
We do have Joe Kerridge as our only FB...but he is on IR.
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We do have Joe Kerridge as our only FB...but he is on IR.
I was being a tad facetious when I mentioned Vickers.. I do believe hes been retired a few years
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We don't miss Duke. We miss someone who didn't want to play here. Haha.
I said a guy like him
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I kinda think were missing a HC that can win games.
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I said a guy like him
having Higgins on the field would help Baker..Higgy is a must play next week ?
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The o-line is getting beat way to fast and easy.
And Baker seems to be having trouble reading the defense when he does have time
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
I said a guy like him
You right. Lol I read We miss Duke and I almost chucked my phone. Idk what kind of leader he was but Chubb seems to be doing real good. The other back tho... nope.
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What I mean is that we need an outlet receiver for times when Baker is in trouble and needs to dump it off. There appears to be NO scheme for that in this offense. So...no checkdown back means that Baker has to scramble and heave the ball downfield..instead of having a safety valve in there.
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What I mean is that we need an outlet receiver for times when Baker is in trouble and needs to dump it off. There appears to be NO scheme for that in this offense. So...no checkdown back means that Baker has to scramble and heave the ball downfield..instead of having a safety valve in there.
What I mean is that we need an outlet receiver for times when Baker is in trouble and needs to dump it off. There appears to be NO scheme for that in this offense. So...no checkdown back means that Baker has to scramble and heave the ball downfield..instead of having a safety valve in there.
The best QBs always have an offense with a checkdown short pass receiver. Whatever this is our OC runs is very defective, especially with a porous OL.
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What I mean is that we need an outlet receiver for times when Baker is in trouble and needs to dump it off. There appears to be NO scheme for that in this offense. So...no checkdown back means that Baker has to scramble and heave the ball downfield..instead of having a safety valve in there.
What I mean is that we need an outlet receiver for times when Baker is in trouble and needs to dump it off. There appears to be NO scheme for that in this offense. So...no checkdown back means that Baker has to scramble and heave the ball downfield..instead of having a safety valve in there.
That isn't a personnel issue though. That's a scheme issue. We have multiple backs who can catch check down passes and get up field afterwards (chubb Hilliard and Johnson are all more than capable). Whether or not we have a guy there is a scheme issue. I'll admit I havent seen a check down guy all too often this year but the times we do have one they are wide open and Baker still doesn't get it to them.
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What I mean is that we need an outlet receiver for times when Baker is in trouble and needs to dump it off. There appears to be NO scheme for that in this offense. So...no checkdown back means that Baker has to scramble and heave the ball downfield..instead of having a safety valve in there.
That isn't a personnel issue though. That's a scheme issue. We have multiple backs who can catch check down passes and get up field afterwards (chubb Hilliard and Johnson are all more than capable). Whether or not we have a guy there is a scheme issue. I'll admit I havent seen a check down guy all too often this year but the times we do have one they are wide open and Baker still doesn't get it to them.
I'll admit I havent seen a check down guy all too often this year but the times we do have one they are wide open and Baker still doesn't get it to them.
Soph learning curve or pressure to throw deep every damn play? Whatever it is he's holding the ball too long and is skittish in the pocket even when there is no reason to be so. I saw way too many people running go routes together yesterday all at the same time. Something very wrong there. If it's by design then fix it. If it's by selfishness, then bench whomever is not running the proper route.
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The weird regression I see in Baker is he’s fleeing the pocket. Some of the time it isn’t because of Pass rushers. If the ball is snapped and he’s going to his first read he’s in the pocket. If he goes to the second read or what appears to be a second or third WRs he’s not standing in and making the throw. He’s rolling out sometimes retreating and throwing on the run. Just a bad habit really.
Im not saying the line is perfect, but we are seeing tons of zone with backers dropping and the four man blitz. He’s given time in most of the circumstances and he’s going back to what I describe above. Baker did a lot of work from the pocket last year and one of his better qualities was feeling the rush and moving around IN the pocket. I don’t see the same this year.
Now the routes are awful too. I am not impressed with the scheme and the effort so far. We had a 3rd and 10 yesterday and we three side by side WRs running go routes!???
The line is the convenient excuse- they were really bad in the 4th quarter yesterday. McCray isn’t a RT in this league. Hubbard has had some problems too. Aside from Robinson’s bone head kick he’s serviceable we can certainly have a lot worse out there. We have bigger problems than this group. We need Kendall Lam back or we need to make a trade with a team that has tackle depth. I would say TE is a priority too.
The rest is Fixing Baker and scheming better offensively. Problems 1a and 1b
I don’t think any major personnel moves need to be made. Our depth as showcased last night is great defensively. Bravo to the back 7.
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The o-line is getting beat way to fast and easy.
And Baker seems to be having trouble reading the defense when he does have time
The o-line is getting beat way to fast and easy.
And Baker seems to be having trouble reading the defense when he does have time
That in a nutshell is the major problem. If you're running go routes, Baker isn't having time to throw the ball. They pointed out Baker was doing OK when he got rid of the ball in 2 seconds or less to negate the Ram's ridiculously good pass rush. Or is it the Browns o-line is ridiculously bad? Probably not, but as I like to point out the o-line chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, and we currently have a couple weak links LA knew exactly how to exploit. (So much for Ghoolie's continual dime-a-dozen fat ass rags)
Thing is going forward, teams are going to jam the line with bump and run- and bet their pass rush can get to Baker before he can burn them deep on a go route.
Guys were complaining after the Jets game about Mayfield holding on to the ball too long. Yesterday that was probably a factor when you're running for your life, it's tough to see guys that are open, and constantly being forced to make off balance throws turns your accuracy to garbage.
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The o-line is getting beat way to fast and easy.
And Baker seems to be having trouble reading the defense when he does have time
That in a nutshell is the major problem. If you're running go routes, Baker isn't having time to throw the ball. They pointed out Baker was doing OK when he got rid of the ball in 2 seconds or less to negate the Ram's ridiculously good pass rush. Or is it the Browns o-line is ridiculously bad? Probably not, but as I like to point out the o-line chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, and we currently have a couple weak links LA knew exactly how to exploit. (So much for Ghoolie's continual dime-a-dozen fat ass rags)
Thing is going forward, teams are going to jam the line with bump and run- and bet their pass rush can get to Baker before he can burn them deep on a go route.
Guys were complaining after the Jets game about Mayfield holding on to the ball too long. Yesterday that was probably a factor when you're running for your life, it's tough to see guys that are open, and constantly being forced to make off balance throws turns your accuracy to garbage.
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What I mean is that we need an outlet receiver for times when Baker is in trouble and needs to dump it off. There appears to be NO scheme for that in this offense. So...no checkdown back means that Baker has to scramble and heave the ball downfield..instead of having a safety valve in there.
That isn't a personnel issue though. That's a scheme issue. We have multiple backs who can catch check down passes and get up field afterwards (chubb Hilliard and Johnson are all more than capable). Whether or not we have a guy there is a scheme issue. I'll admit I havent seen a check down guy all too often this year but the times we do have one they are wide open and Baker still doesn't get it to them.
That isn't a personnel issue though. That's a scheme issue. We have multiple backs who can catch check down passes and get up field afterwards (chubb Hilliard and Johnson are all more than capable). Whether or not we have a guy there is a scheme issue. I'll admit I havent seen a check down guy all too often this year but the times we do have one they are wide open and Baker still doesn't get it to them.
Well....for some reason when Duke was here, they did have him play that role, but now they aren't. I am sure the guys we have could do it, so it probably is primarily a scheme issue. And, OK, Baker does have to learn to look for that more. Of course, it would help if he were taught to do so....and I am not sure he is being coached to do that.
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The weird regression I see in Baker is he’s fleeing the pocket. Some of the time it isn’t because of Pass rushers. If the ball is snapped and he’s going to his first read he’s in the pocket. If he goes to the second read or what appears to be a second or third WRs he’s not standing in and making the throw. He’s rolling out sometimes retreating and throwing on the run. Just a bad habit really.
Im not saying the line is perfect, but we are seeing tons of zone with backers dropping and the four man blitz. He’s given time in most of the circumstances and he’s going back to what I describe above. Baker did a lot of work from the pocket last year and one of his better qualities was feeling the rush and moving around IN the pocket. I don’t see the same this year.
Now the routes are awful too. I am not impressed with the scheme and the effort so far. We had a 3rd and 10 yesterday and we three side by side WRs running go routes!???
The line is the convenient excuse- they were really bad in the 4th quarter yesterday. McCray isn’t a RT in this league. Hubbard has had some problems too. Aside from Robinson’s bone head kick he’s serviceable we can certainly have a lot worse out there. We have bigger problems than this group. We need Kendall Lam back or we need to make a trade with a team that has tackle depth. I would say TE is a priority too.
The rest is Fixing Baker and scheming better offensively. Problems 1a and 1b
I don’t think any major personnel moves need to be made. Our depth as showcased last night is great defensively. Bravo to the back 7.
The weird regression I see in Baker is he’s fleeing the pocket. Some of the time it isn’t because of Pass rushers. If the ball is snapped and he’s going to his first read he’s in the pocket. If he goes to the second read or what appears to be a second or third WRs he’s not standing in and making the throw. He’s rolling out sometimes retreating and throwing on the run. Just a bad habit really.
Im not saying the line is perfect, but we are seeing tons of zone with backers dropping and the four man blitz. He’s given time in most of the circumstances and he’s going back to what I describe above. Baker did a lot of work from the pocket last year and one of his better qualities was feeling the rush and moving around IN the pocket. I don’t see the same this year.
Now the routes are awful too. I am not impressed with the scheme and the effort so far. We had a 3rd and 10 yesterday and we three side by side WRs running go routes!???
The line is the convenient excuse- they were really bad in the 4th quarter yesterday. McCray isn’t a RT in this league. Hubbard has had some problems too. Aside from Robinson’s bone head kick he’s serviceable we can certainly have a lot worse out there. We have bigger problems than this group. We need Kendall Lam back or we need to make a trade with a team that has tackle depth. I would say TE is a priority too.
The rest is Fixing Baker and scheming better offensively. Problems 1a and 1b
I don’t think any major personnel moves need to be made. Our depth as showcased last night is great defensively. Bravo to the back 7.
I disagree to this point......IF they are going to be so pourous as to let the interior D line of the opponents get on Baker's ass in 1.5 seconds....like they did last night.....then an asskicking blocking Fullback could possibly help in that area. A second line of defense, if you will. Baker is not going through his progressions mainly because he has no time to go through his progressions. (Ergo, I also disagree with you statement that "He's give time in most circumstances"...totally disagree with that....at least as far a last night is concerned.)
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