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    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    Why.....

    1. The Pats haven't played anyone as yet. Not that we have exactly shown ourselves to be "someone", but we are the most talented "nobody" they've had to face.
    2. The talent we have is exactly the positions we need it to be to beat them. (see "How")
    3. We get our starting CBs back.
    4. There's a hint of distraction in Camelot.
    5. Two weeks to prepare.

    How.... on Defense:

    1. Pressure up the middle to move TB off his spot... every passing down either go double-A gap blitz or with 3 DL head up on NE's LG-C-RG. Stunt their asses off...
    2. Put our speed rushers inside... Edge pressure is a waste of time as Brady simply steps up. Use MG, OV or both inside early and often.
    3. Play Cover 3/2/1 over man... no need to worry about DBs turning their backs to the QB.
    4. Double Edelman... he's TB's security blanket... take him away. Use Ward here... especially when numbers will not allow double.
    5. Match Greedy on Sanu everywhere.
    6. Match Joe to whatever RB is in the game... punish PA...

    How... on Offense:

    1. Bring back the Baker RPO... get him hit.... get him fired up... get him pissed... get him in space.
    2. Unleash our WR speed... yes, Gilmore may shutdown OBJ, but OBJ neutralizes him.
    3. And, of course, give them a heavy dose of Chubb...
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      Yeah baby yeah that's the spirit!  The undefeated and best ever Patriots against the bumbling BROWNS.  This looks like the biggest massacre since Custer at Wounded Knee, it's over already.

      ......but somehow I still think our Brownies have a chance in this contest. Win and you keep the very slight and on life support BROWNS season going......lose and you go read Mel Kiper Jr's column.  Plus as a bonus the CLE +13 should be good.  

      GO BROWNS, I'm in.....baby!

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      GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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        jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by jiggins7919
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        Tour, I so hope you're right. It would literally rejuvenate our entire season because if we lose, it's pretty much over. We CAN beat the Bills, but they're the EXACT team we don't play well against (physical, tough defense, etc). I think if we beat Patriots, we'll beat the Bills, but if we lose Sunday, we'll have difficulty pulling it out against the Bills. 

        Tour, have you seen the weather forecast for our game? Geez man, it's AWFUL. Rain is listed as 100%, and I know that's never good. Our speed was one of our only advantages, and that downpour will severely negate that edge. Rain is also likely to exacerbate our turnover tendencies, so that's a bit scary. Perhaps the weather gods are wrong and it'll pass through without impacting our game, but it doesn't look very good. 

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          Yeah baby yeah that's the spirit!  The undefeated and best ever Patriots against the bumbling BROWNS.  This looks like the biggest massacre since Custer at Wounded Knee, it's over already.

          ......but somehow I still think our Brownies have a chance in this contest. Win and you keep the very slight and on life support BROWNS season going......lose and you go read Mel Kiper Jr's column.  Plus as a bonus the CLE +13 should be good.  

          GO BROWNS, I'm in.....baby!

          glitter-unicorn-on-rainbow-dream-260nw-1368150971.jpg

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          @mjp28 said:

          Yeah baby yeah that's the spirit!  The undefeated and best ever Patriots against the bumbling BROWNS.  This looks like the biggest massacre since Custer at Wounded Knee, it's over already.

          ......but somehow I still think our Brownies have a chance in this contest. Win and you keep the very slight and on life support BROWNS season going......lose and you go read Mel Kiper Jr's column.  Plus as a bonus the CLE +13 should be good.  

          GO BROWNS, I'm in.....baby!

          glitter-unicorn-on-rainbow-dream-260nw-1368150971.jpg

          i believe the o/u is 48 what sezs u ?

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            @mjp28 said:

            Yeah baby yeah that's the spirit!  The undefeated and best ever Patriots against the bumbling BROWNS.  This looks like the biggest massacre since Custer at Wounded Knee, it's over already.

            ......but somehow I still think our Brownies have a chance in this contest. Win and you keep the very slight and on life support BROWNS season going......lose and you go read Mel Kiper Jr's column.  Plus as a bonus the CLE +13 should be good.  

            GO BROWNS, I'm in.....baby!

            glitter-unicorn-on-rainbow-dream-260nw-1368150971.jpg

            i believe the o/u is 48 what sezs u ?

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            jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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            @atom said:

            i believe the o/u is 48 what sezs u ?

            I picked a score that would be over, but with the weather looking terrible and wet, smart money might be on the under. 

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              @atom said:

              i believe the o/u is 48 what sezs u ?

              I picked a score that would be over, but with the weather looking terrible and wet, smart money might be on the under. 

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              @jiggins7919 said:

              I picked a score that would be over, but with the weather looking terrible and wet, smart money might be on the under. 

              ya the weather fucked me up in san frans game last week is the forcast looking about the same for sunday ?

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                And for once, Freddie gives Baker a checkdown option on every play..

                The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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                  @mjp28 said:

                  Yeah baby yeah that's the spirit!  The undefeated and best ever Patriots against the bumbling BROWNS.  This looks like the biggest massacre since Custer at Wounded Knee, it's over already.

                  ......but somehow I still think our Brownies have a chance in this contest. Win and you keep the very slight and on life support BROWNS season going......lose and you go read Mel Kiper Jr's column.  Plus as a bonus the CLE +13 should be good.  

                  GO BROWNS, I'm in.....baby!

                  glitter-unicorn-on-rainbow-dream-260nw-1368150971.jpg

                  i believe the o/u is 48 what sezs u ?

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                  mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                  @atom said:

                  i believe the o/u is 48 what sezs u ?

                  The latest that I saw was 45.5 to 46 and a concensus of 46 but if the wx is real bad it may go lower.    vegasinsider.com

                  My gut says OVER unless the weather is really really bad.     Almost a stay away bet even though I think the BROWNS are due to open it up like at Baltimore.

                  Game time decision.

                  GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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                    It's a winnable game contingent on Freddie fielding a DISCIPLINED team on Sunday. However I have a feeling it will be a close game that the refs will hand to the Patriots..

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                      @atom said:

                      i believe the o/u is 48 what sezs u ?

                      The latest that I saw was 45.5 to 46 and a concensus of 46 but if the wx is real bad it may go lower.    vegasinsider.com

                      My gut says OVER unless the weather is really really bad.     Almost a stay away bet even though I think the BROWNS are due to open it up like at Baltimore.

                      Game time decision.

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                      @mjp28 said:

                      The latest that I saw was 45.5 to 46 and a concensus of 46 but if the wx is real bad it may go lower.    vegasinsider.com

                      My gut says OVER unless the weather is really really bad.     Almost a stay away bet even though I think the BROWNS are due to open it up like at Baltimore.

                      Game time decision.

                      to late  i bet the under 

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                        @mjp28 said:

                        The latest that I saw was 45.5 to 46 and a concensus of 46 but if the wx is real bad it may go lower.    vegasinsider.com

                        My gut says OVER unless the weather is really really bad.     Almost a stay away bet even though I think the BROWNS are due to open it up like at Baltimore.

                        Game time decision.

                        to late  i bet the under 

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                        @atom said:

                        to late  i bet the under 

                        You might have gotten a better number than late if it drops because they are playing in a wind blown monsoon.  Good luck.

                        GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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                          @atom said:

                          to late  i bet the under 

                          You might have gotten a better number than late if it drops because they are playing in a wind blown monsoon.  Good luck.

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                          You might have gotten a better number than late if it drops because they are playing in a wind blown monsoon.  Good luck.

                          oregon lottery started it's sports betting last week I could bet the Browns +18 but of course the payout is less 

                          betting from your phone can be a dangerous thing

                          but hey thanks and go Browns

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                            hey what about the ball game tonight ? i made some money betting against verlander but to bad for me he is not pitching tonight 

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                              @mjp28 said:

                              You might have gotten a better number than late if it drops because they are playing in a wind blown monsoon.  Good luck.

                              oregon lottery started it's sports betting last week I could bet the Browns +18 but of course the payout is less 

                              betting from your phone can be a dangerous thing

                              but hey thanks and go Browns

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                              @atom said:

                              oregon lottery started it's sports betting last week I could bet the Browns +18 but of course the payout is less 

                              betting from your phone can be a dangerous thing

                              but hey thanks and go Browns

                              If the BROWNS can't cover +13 or +16 or +18 I'll become a steelrz fan,..,............. right that will never happen either.     😆

                              GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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                                @atom said:

                                oregon lottery started it's sports betting last week I could bet the Browns +18 but of course the payout is less 

                                betting from your phone can be a dangerous thing

                                but hey thanks and go Browns

                                If the BROWNS can't cover +13 or +16 or +18 I'll become a steelrz fan,..,............. right that will never happen either.     😆

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                                If the BROWNS can't cover +13 or +16 or +18 I'll become a steelrz fan,..,............. right that will never happen either.     😆

                                I bet that also

                                so again what about the B Ball game tonight I believe Grienke will get lit up

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                                  Why.....

                                  1. The Pats haven't played anyone as yet. Not that we have exactly shown ourselves to be "someone", but we are the most talented "nobody" they've had to face.
                                  2. The talent we have is exactly the positions we need it to be to beat them. (see "How")
                                  3. We get our starting CBs back.
                                  4. There's a hint of distraction in Camelot.
                                  5. Two weeks to prepare.

                                  How.... on Defense:

                                  1. Pressure up the middle to move TB off his spot... every passing down either go double-A gap blitz or with 3 DL head up on NE's LG-C-RG. Stunt their asses off...
                                  2. Put our speed rushers inside... Edge pressure is a waste of time as Brady simply steps up. Use MG, OV or both inside early and often.
                                  3. Play Cover 3/2/1 over man... no need to worry about DBs turning their backs to the QB.
                                  4. Double Edelman... he's TB's security blanket... take him away. Use Ward here... especially when numbers will not allow double.
                                  5. Match Greedy on Sanu everywhere.
                                  6. Match Joe to whatever RB is in the game... punish PA...

                                  How... on Offense:

                                  1. Bring back the Baker RPO... get him hit.... get him fired up... get him pissed... get him in space.
                                  2. Unleash our WR speed... yes, Gilmore may shutdown OBJ, but OBJ neutralizes him.
                                  3. And, of course, give them a heavy dose of Chubb...
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                                  @tour2ma said:

                                  The Pats haven't played anyone as yet.

                                  That's what we said about the 49'ers.

                                  BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
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                                    Tour, I so hope you're right. It would literally rejuvenate our entire season because if we lose, it's pretty much over. We CAN beat the Bills, but they're the EXACT team we don't play well against (physical, tough defense, etc). I think if we beat Patriots, we'll beat the Bills, but if we lose Sunday, we'll have difficulty pulling it out against the Bills. 

                                    Tour, have you seen the weather forecast for our game? Geez man, it's AWFUL. Rain is listed as 100%, and I know that's never good. Our speed was one of our only advantages, and that downpour will severely negate that edge. Rain is also likely to exacerbate our turnover tendencies, so that's a bit scary. Perhaps the weather gods are wrong and it'll pass through without impacting our game, but it doesn't look very good. 

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                                    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                    @jiggins7919 said:

                                    Tour, have you seen the weather forecast for our game? Geez man, it's AWFUL.

                                    No, I had not.... but it's possible that the impact will be minimal. Our field drains unlike WSH's...

                                    And if the game were reduced to  battle of ground games, then I like our chances as well.

                                    @orion said:

                                    That's what we said about the 49'ers.

                                    True.... but that's about all we could say in that case.

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                                      Why.....

                                      1. The Pats haven't played anyone as yet. Not that we have exactly shown ourselves to be "someone", but we are the most talented "nobody" they've had to face.
                                      2. The talent we have is exactly the positions we need it to be to beat them. (see "How")
                                      3. We get our starting CBs back.
                                      4. There's a hint of distraction in Camelot.
                                      5. Two weeks to prepare.

                                      How.... on Defense:

                                      1. Pressure up the middle to move TB off his spot... every passing down either go double-A gap blitz or with 3 DL head up on NE's LG-C-RG. Stunt their asses off...
                                      2. Put our speed rushers inside... Edge pressure is a waste of time as Brady simply steps up. Use MG, OV or both inside early and often.
                                      3. Play Cover 3/2/1 over man... no need to worry about DBs turning their backs to the QB.
                                      4. Double Edelman... he's TB's security blanket... take him away. Use Ward here... especially when numbers will not allow double.
                                      5. Match Greedy on Sanu everywhere.
                                      6. Match Joe to whatever RB is in the game... punish PA...

                                      How... on Offense:

                                      1. Bring back the Baker RPO... get him hit.... get him fired up... get him pissed... get him in space.
                                      2. Unleash our WR speed... yes, Gilmore may shutdown OBJ, but OBJ neutralizes him.
                                      3. And, of course, give them a heavy dose of Chubb...
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                                      @tour2ma said:

                                      Why.....

                                      1. The Pats haven't played anyone as yet. Not that we have exactly shown ourselves to be "someone", but we are the most talented "nobody" they've had to face.
                                      2. The talent we have is exactly the positions we need it to be to beat them. (see "How")
                                      3. We get our starting CBs back.
                                      4. There's a hint of distraction in Camelot.
                                      5. Two weeks to prepare.

                                      How.... on Defense:

                                      1. Pressure up the middle to move TB off his spot... every passing down either go double-A gap blitz or with 3 DL head up on NE's LG-C-RG. Stunt their asses off...
                                      2. Put our speed rushers inside... Edge pressure is a waste of time as Brady simply steps up. Use MG, OV or both inside early and often.
                                      3. Play Cover 3/2/1 over man... no need to worry about DBs turning their backs to the QB.
                                      4. Double Edelman... he's TB's security blanket... take him away. Use Ward here... especially when numbers will not allow double.
                                      5. Match Greedy on Sanu everywhere.
                                      6. Match Joe to whatever RB is in the game... punish PA...

                                      How... on Offense:

                                      1. Bring back the Baker RPO... get him hit.... get him fired up... get him pissed... get him in space.
                                      2. Unleash our WR speed... yes, Gilmore may shutdown OBJ, but OBJ neutralizes him.
                                      3. And, of course, give them a heavy dose of Chubb...

                                      All great points.  We have the ingredients.

                                      i just can’t see us playing a clean game.  We are our own worst enemy.  I have friends that text me every Sunday (fans of other teams) they can’t figure out how and why we beat ourselves or the refs beat us. It’s comical to them.  I finally have the blinders off. 

                                      This week we may execute for 3 quarters and something stupid happens or the Pats charmed life takes over.

                                      Don’t listen to me...that Seattle game took all the hope out of the season.

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                                        Why.....

                                        1. The Pats haven't played anyone as yet. Not that we have exactly shown ourselves to be "someone", but we are the most talented "nobody" they've had to face.
                                        2. The talent we have is exactly the positions we need it to be to beat them. (see "How")
                                        3. We get our starting CBs back.
                                        4. There's a hint of distraction in Camelot.
                                        5. Two weeks to prepare.

                                        How.... on Defense:

                                        1. Pressure up the middle to move TB off his spot... every passing down either go double-A gap blitz or with 3 DL head up on NE's LG-C-RG. Stunt their asses off...
                                        2. Put our speed rushers inside... Edge pressure is a waste of time as Brady simply steps up. Use MG, OV or both inside early and often.
                                        3. Play Cover 3/2/1 over man... no need to worry about DBs turning their backs to the QB.
                                        4. Double Edelman... he's TB's security blanket... take him away. Use Ward here... especially when numbers will not allow double.
                                        5. Match Greedy on Sanu everywhere.
                                        6. Match Joe to whatever RB is in the game... punish PA...

                                        How... on Offense:

                                        1. Bring back the Baker RPO... get him hit.... get him fired up... get him pissed... get him in space.
                                        2. Unleash our WR speed... yes, Gilmore may shutdown OBJ, but OBJ neutralizes him.
                                        3. And, of course, give them a heavy dose of Chubb...
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                                        @tour2ma said:

                                        Why.....

                                        1. The Pats haven't played anyone as yet. Not that we have exactly shown ourselves to be "someone", but we are the most talented "nobody" they've had to face.
                                        2. The talent we have is exactly the positions we need it to be to beat them. (see "How")
                                        3. We get our starting CBs back.
                                        4. There's a hint of distraction in Camelot.
                                        5. Two weeks to prepare.

                                        How.... on Defense:

                                        1. Pressure up the middle to move TB off his spot... every passing down either go double-A gap blitz or with 3 DL head up on NE's LG-C-RG. Stunt their asses off...
                                        2. Put our speed rushers inside... Edge pressure is a waste of time as Brady simply steps up. Use MG, OV or both inside early and often.
                                        3. Play Cover 3/2/1 over man... no need to worry about DBs turning their backs to the QB.
                                        4. Double Edelman... he's TB's security blanket... take him away. Use Ward here... especially when numbers will not allow double.
                                        5. Match Greedy on Sanu everywhere.
                                        6. Match Joe to whatever RB is in the game... punish PA...

                                        How... on Offense:

                                        1. Bring back the Baker RPO... get him hit.... get him fired up... get him pissed... get him in space.
                                        2. Unleash our WR speed... yes, Gilmore may shutdown OBJ, but OBJ neutralizes him.
                                        3. And, of course, give them a heavy dose of Chubb...

                                        that is GREAT stuff. I do have a question:

                                        It won't happen often, but Brady loved to throw to Gronk back in the day, when the defense least expected it, for important first downs, especially.

                                            Their top two TE's are out of the game - leaving the old veteran Ben Watson...and Eric Tomlinson, another big TE. What would you do, to keep an eye on the TE position? He has thrown little to the TE's so far....

                                        and that could be a major surprise if the Browns don't watch for it. Just sayin...

                                        and I agree with you on Sanu - he and Brady are really getting on the same page. Brady says he bring the "juice" and Sanu says he also brings the "squeeze".

                                        He won't be happy with Greedy covering him.

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                                          I agree about inside pressure.  I mentioned on another board I would put Garrett insdie fairly often.  He most certainly would garner the attention of the center, biving a backer of safety a pretty good  chance up through the A.  The other DT would simply have to hit hard on the guard outside shoulder to keep him off the blitzer.

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