Myles

[Vambo]

Browns' Garrett to appeal, taking shot at junk defense

https://sports.yahoo.com/browns-garrett-appeal-taking-shot-203246115.html

According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, Garrett intends to argue he was provoked by a shot to the groin from Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph.

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@ibleedbrown said:

You know, l literally typed “it’s not really that funny” but backspaced it. And yes, l do remember when it was funny. I did chuckle at the fainting woman. A latin phrase...

Yea, like most times they pull off a skit that borders on funny (due to something in the news that's funny) you can be rest-assured there won't be anything funny in the remainder of the show. I don't know how it's on the air, I know almost no one who watches it. 

Oh, and the stuff they did on Tebow, back when he was taking Denver by storm, was funny, but rest of shows still sucked. 

[calfoxwc]

Let's see...

Rudolph, the Sissy Hosed quarterback,

had a Browns-have-your number day....

and even though he girlie-manned,

the facts will not go away.

He has been a real loser stiff,

his own fans wish he'd stay away....

When he played san fran weeks ago,

every football fan can SEE....

his qb rating was 18.1, 

his own fans were really steamed...

he played the Colts, and girlie-manned more...

and qb rated 22.4 !

but when he played our Cleveland Browns,

He sucked to an all time low score....

His qb rating was 13.8 and

his own fans want him out the door.

So at last, at the games' end,

he plotted his revenge.

he got himself cleanly sacked AGAIN, but

blew it up so he wouldn't have to face Garrett again......

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3116407/mason-rudolph

"sigh". Just getting over my cold. That took three minutes of goofiness. I need some more hot tea.

[The Gipper]

@icecube said:

In short, there are little "standards" and it's really just Roger reacting to what the owners want. People forget: His enormous salary ($31. mill a year)  is PAID FOR by the owners and they give him his marching orders, way too many fans think these decisions are all on Roger himself. They are not. He does what the owners tell him to do, trying to make as many as possible happy with him. But the owners love Roger taking the heat  for what they want, and most fans buy into him being the primary decision maker on unpopular policies. 

Well....Jimmy Haslam is an owner.  But it has seemed over the years that he is just sort of a useless appendage as far as the "owner's club" is concerned.  He clearly garners little or no respect whatsoever.  He, and a few others let Jerry  (I'm getting senile) Jones and ....Robert (Here I cum) Kraft dictate everything.  You would think that maybe he would start getting a bit more influence, give that he is moving up the line in terms of seniority among owners:

Green Bay Packers Green Bay Packers, Inc.⁴1923

Chicago Bears Virginia Halas McCaskey†‡²1983

Dallas Cowboys Jerry Jones1989

Cincinnati Bengals Mike Brown‡²1991

New England Patriots Robert Kraft1994

Philadelphia Eagles Jeffrey Lurie and Christina Weiss Lurie1994

Indianapolis Colts Jim Irsay‡1997

Washington Redskins Dan Snyder†1999

New York Jets Robert Wood Johnson IV⁵ and Christopher Wold Johnson‡2000

Atlanta Falcons Arthur Blank†¹2004

Baltimore Ravens Steve Bisciotti†¹2004

Minnesota Vikings Zygi Wilf†2005

New York Giants John Mara (50%)³  Steve Tisch (50%)2005

Kansas City Chiefs Clark Hunt and siblings‡²2006

Miami Dolphins Stephen M. Ross†2008

San Francisco 49ers Denise DeBartolo York and Jed York‡¹2009

Los Angeles Rams Stan Kroenke¹2010

Oakland Raiders Carol and Mark Davis (mother and son)†‡2011

Cleveland Browns Jimmy and Dee Haslam2012

Jacksonville Jaguars Shahid Khan2012

Tennessee Titans Amy Adams Strunk ²2013

Buffalo Bills Kim and  Terry Pegula2014

Detroit Lions Martha Ford†^[1]2014

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Bryan Glazer and siblings‡2014

Pittsburgh Steelers Art Rooney II^1,3 (60%) and family (12%)^1,2,32017

Carolina Panthers David Tepper2018

Houston Texans Janice McNair and family†‡²2018

Los Angeles Chargers Dean Spanos2018

New Orleans Saints Gayle Benson2018

Seattle Seahawks Jody Allen, trustee⁶2018

Arizona Cardinals Estate of Bill Bidwell‡⁶2019

Denver Broncos Joe Ellis, trustee⁶2019
 

[D Bone]

@the-gipper said:

...... Another question:  does the league somehow hold it against you if you have multiple roughing the passer penalties?  Did Garrett like not to want to hit some sort of imposed limit on such a thing?

While I doubt they would ever admit it, but I would guess that the current leader(s) of roughing the passer calls would be looked on differently by the league.... especially perennial leaders. 

I do think Myles' harsh penalty is solely because of the optics of his actions..... The NFL just can't have it and there was no way in hell that they weren't going to send a quick and clear message to the rest of the current and future players regardless of his' past roughing the QB calls.

His appeals process should be interesting though, and while I believe and fear otherwise, I hope that he only misses the rest of this year and is then allowed to be at all offseason stuff as well as the start of camp and opening day.

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[Vambo]

[Dutch Oven]

@calfoxwc said:

Garret, of course, was talked to about the landing on crap- which has been done for decades..... so Garrett tried desperately to cleanly sack him. Rudolph the Pink-nosed Peabrain threw a hissy fit. I still suspect....doot doot dooooo..... it was planned by the squeaders trashy tomlin.

    Who, btw, Kitchens and co. OUTCOACHED hUGELY and KICKED TOMLIN and CO.'s arse.

Ergo, the provocation by the urine stained pukesburg qb again and again until Garrett made his mistake.

Advantage, squealers when they play the Browns in two weeks.

An adult wrote this. A grown-ass adult. 

[onkyoreceiver]

What do you think would happen if Myles Garrett went to the Cleveland police and had Mason Rudolph charged with assault for attempting to rip his head off, kicking him and punching him in the groin repeatedly and charging him violently while other huge NFL linemen held Myles?  it might not stick legally (then again maybe it would), but it would be great publicity and possibly great leverage as it is TOTALLY clear he was repeatedly assaulted by Mason Rudolph and everything Myles did was self-defense.  It's all right there on video.  It could possibly force the NFL to back down if the law comes to a completely opposite conclusion from Roger Gooddell.

[Dutch Oven]

@onkyoreceiver said:

What do you think would happen if Myles Garrett went to the Cleveland police and had Mason Rudolph charged with assault for attempting to rip his head off, kicking him and punching him in the groin repeatedly and charging him violently while other huge NFL linemen held Myles?  it might not stick legally (then again maybe it would), but it would be great publicity and possibly great leverage as it is TOTALLY clear he was repeatedly assaulted by Mason Rudolph and everything Myles did was self-defense.  It's all right there on video.  It could possibly force the NFL to back down if the law comes to a completely opposite conclusion from Roger Gooddell.

I somewhat think the reason Rudolph didn't receive a suspension is because the NFL didn't want him to sue Garrett, or hell, maybe the NFL itself. (Not sure how he would sue the NFL, but stupider lawsuits have happened). 

[calfoxwc]

I believe Josh Cribbs has an excellent point - Rudolph has no legal leg to stand on. He was the aggressor, from the beginning...and Garrett could have been injured. Eye, vocal cords, neck, groin. And, Garrett was being restrained at the time, nearly? the entire time as rudoofus assaulted him again. I figure that there is legit merit to a claim of self-defense. The nfl has let steeler "intimidation" get way, way out of hand for way, way too long.

Superbowl $$$$$$$$$$$$$ favoritism, that is what I think.

     Perhaps Miles should sue rudolph and get part of his salary back in a lawsuit.

[gumby73]

@vambo said:

Browns' Garrett to appeal, taking shot at junk defense

https://sports.yahoo.com/browns-garrett-appeal-taking-shot-203246115.html

According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, Garrett intends to argue he was provoked by a shot to the groin from Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph.

      No Mary Kay, does he looked scared ?

[calfoxwc]

perhaps Goodhell and Troy Vincent forgot about this one:

Lanning could have had his neck broken and risk being paralyzed. Eyes/face damaged.

I guess the corrupt nfl thinks a shoe can be used as an assault weapon...by a steeler.......

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2747087/Pittsburgh-Steelers-Antonio-Brown-karate-kicks-Cleveland-Browns-Spencer-Lanning-face.html

Luckily for Lanning, his helmet took the brunt of the force and the incident led to a 15-yard penalty for the Cleveland for unnecessary roughness.

The incident brought laughter from the crowd delighting in what appeared to be another mauling in a series full of them.

and do not miss THIS quote by rapistbooger.

"We can't apologise for the way we win,' Roethlisberger said. 'We just have to win games.'"

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@calfoxwc said:

I believe Josh Cribbs has an excellent point

Look, I'm all into thinking this has become funny, as opposed to tragic. But to think this was some nefarious subterfuge by the Steelers is loco. Tit for tat. Myles didn't need to lay on him, Mason didn't need to grab his face mask and kick him in the nuts, and so on

[Gorka]

 "Waa waa mommy, but Rudolph started it!"

Had this incident  happened against any team but the Squeelers  I'd bet most of you knuckleheads defending Garrett would probably concede to the fact Garrett was way out of line no matter who or what caused the fight, accept the punishment and declare "next man up"!   But since it was against those hated Squeeler thugs we release an entire different set of emotions that impede our ability to be rational.

These  lame attempts by some  to equate Myles swinging a helmet at someone's head to Harrisons hits or Wards blindside blocks or Browns apparent kick to the facemask during a runback, well, you people just aint right.

Those actions, although illegal, were still within the confines of game...tackling, running, blocking.  Those infractions occurred when football was being played. Trying to inflict harm to another player by swinging a helmet at his unprotected head when the play is over is not football. 

If you're all gung ho for revenge, then revenge is the hit Ju Ju took, revenge is the blow Randall gave to the other steeler wideout. Both infractions occurring playing the game of football. Both squeelers on concussion protocol.  I must admit I felt a sense of satisfaction. It was payback for what that franchise had coming. But being the civil dude that I am, I still would have preferred those shots to the head to not have happened and kick their asses cleanly.

Did you ever get pissed and amused at the same time? It's how you feel when you hear another Browns joke. You hate it but have to admit it's funny. In the comments under one of those Myles videos was..."Now we know why the Browns logo is a helmet"...which made me right away think of Dwayne Rudd tossing his....geez.

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@the-gipper said:

Well....Jimmy Haslam is an owner.  But it has seemed over the years that he is just sort of a useless appendage as far as the "owner's club" is concerned.  He clearly garners little or no respect whatsoever.  He, and a few others let Jerry  (I'm getting senile) Jones and ....Robert (Here I cum) Kraft dictate everything.  You would think that maybe he would start getting a bit more influence, give that he is moving up the line in terms of seniority among owners:

Mr. Jimmy has to have a few winning seasons to matter. 

[Neo]

What Myles did was wrong, but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. If you shoot at someone, miss and hit the wall, you don't get charged with murder. Myles swung and connected with the helmet but he is 6'4 275 pounds of solid muscle and could of destroyed Mason Rudolph's head with that helmet. I think it's safe to say he either realised his fuck up and held back, or he never had any intention of hurting Rudolph.

Second, it was absurd that the Cleveland police were seen leaving the Browns locker room,  this was football fight no crime here, should be handled in house. I actually feel bad for poor Myles for being treated like a felon.

Third, if Rudolph actually filed charges, he would been laughed out of the courtroom and possibly the NFL. And he probably would of had a target on his back.

4-6 games would have been more than adequate.

FREE MYLES GARRETT 

[TexasAg1969]

"Next man up"-SR

Myles with the junk defense. The helmet was just a "warning shot" to the head. ?

[calfoxwc]

@gorka said:

 "Waa waa mommy, but Rudolph started it!"

Had this incident  happened against any team but the Squeelers  I'd bet most of you knuckleheads defending Garrett would probably concede to the fact Garrett was way out of line no matter who or what caused the fight, accept the punishment and declare "next man up"!   But since it was against those hated Squeeler thugs we release an entire different set of emotions that impede our ability to be rational.

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    Weird. The rest of us admit he should never have swung the helmet. Richardson above just said the same thing. Garrett says it. There isn't any disagreement - you don't whack people in the head with helmets. I do understand self-defense.

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These  lame attempts by some  to equate Myles swinging a helmet at someone's head to Harrisons hits or Wards blindside blocks or Browns apparent kick to the facemask during a runback, well, you people just aint right.

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     Go watch the steelers' van cheap shotten take out Carson Palmer's knee, on the SECOND OFFENSIVE PLAY by the Bengals, in the AFC WILD CARD GAME. Palmer was never the same. Slow down, and ask yourself - who got hurt far, far worse...Palmer, or Rudolph?

Watch the hit on Josh Cribbs, the hit on our kicker....the list goes on. and the pittsburg crowd laughed about the foot to our kicker's face? Come on.

The steelers have bullied and cheap shotted the Browns for years, they have done it to other teams. and hurt other players and laughed about it.

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Those actions, although illegal, were still within the confines of game...tackling, running, blocking.  Those infractions occurred when football was being played. Trying to inflict harm to another player by swinging a helmet at his unprotected head when the play is over is not football.

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    Wrong. Two kicks to the groin, trying to scratch Garrett's eyes out, trying to rip his helmet off, and charging him AFTER Garrett allowed himself to be pulled away,...  IS NOT WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE GAME. Nobody is excusing Garrett for the helmet swing. No one is glad it happened.

  The simple fact is, rudolph's behavior is the same as steeler behavior over many years.

Cheap shots, bullying, and often, a light rap on the hand with a rubber ruler if anything at all.

Most all of us wish the melee hadn't ever happened. It happened because rudolph is just another entitled, referee favored cheap shot steeler.

Perhaps you missed the point - Troy Vincent of the NFL said Ogunjobi got a one game suspension for shoving rudolph, because "that could have resulted in a re-escalation".

So, what the hell do you call rudolph charging after a restrained Garrett, AFTER he kicked Garrett in the groin, scratched up his face, said whatever it was to him that Kitchens won't repeat, tried to rip his helmet off...?

[The Cysko Kid]

[stillmotion]

I think everyone is aware what Myles did was wrong.

But like the Japanese classic Film "Rashomon" you have to look at all perspectives.

Mason's Perspective, Myles' Perspective, and the Outside perspective considering all that happened.

What happened? Tomlin and Freddie kept their starters in.... Mason was sacked, Tried to do something cheap to Myles. Myles wasn't having it, Mason tried to kick him in the balls and pull his facemask off.

Then instead of holding Mason back (If the Steelers players would of held Mason back, my bet is Garrett would've walked away), they hold and carry away Myles while Rudolph charges him. How stupid do you have to be to charge a guy who's being held by two of your teammates. And if anyone doesn't see that as  threatening, that's ridiculous. Let's let two guys hold you as another guy charges you.

Mason should get the same punishment Myles got. Myles deserves to be punished and suspended multiple games, but letting Rudolph play the victim is just plain wrong. The way this all played out was solely because of him instigating the fight. Without him instigating, nothing would've happened.

That being said, I think four games is fair, even the rest of the reason is fair, but for Mason to get off Scott free it's an insult to players everywhere.

Suspend myles the rest of the season if you must, but into next year, that's just making an example out of us.

People make mistakes and I get it. And for Damien Woody and Keyshawn Johnson, you're a couple of simpletons that are both overreacting.

Max Kellerman actually had a good take on it. People need to look at the entire situation instead of one point of it.

I hope Myles learns from this, and I hope Rudolph quits playing the victim. Because nobody felt sorry for us when Pittsburgh kicked our kicker in the face, when Harrison cheapshotted us, when all the cheapshots happened to us. So give me a break with the poor Steelers dirty Browns BS.

We'll come back stronger from this.