Myles
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perhaps Goodhell and Troy Vincent forgot about this one:
Lanning could have had his neck broken and risk being paralyzed. Eyes/face damaged.
I guess the corrupt nfl thinks a shoe can be used as an assault weapon...by a steeler.......
Luckily for Lanning, his helmet took the brunt of the force and the incident led to a 15-yard penalty for the Cleveland for unnecessary roughness.
The incident brought laughter from the crowd delighting in what appeared to be another mauling in a series full of them.
and do not miss THIS quote by rapistbooger.
"We can't apologise for the way we win,' Roethlisberger said. 'We just have to win games.'"
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I believe Josh Cribbs has an excellent point - Rudolph has no legal leg to stand on. He was the aggressor, from the beginning...and Garrett could have been injured. Eye, vocal cords, neck, groin. And, Garrett was being restrained at the time, nearly? the entire time as rudoofus assaulted him again. I figure that there is legit merit to a claim of self-defense. The nfl has let steeler "intimidation" get way, way out of hand for way, way too long.
Superbowl $$$$$$$$$$$$$ favoritism, that is what I think.
Perhaps Miles should sue rudolph and get part of his salary back in a lawsuit.
I believe Josh Cribbs has an excellent point
Look, I'm all into thinking this has become funny, as opposed to tragic. But to think this was some nefarious subterfuge by the Steelers is loco. Tit for tat. Myles didn't need to lay on him, Mason didn't need to grab his face mask and kick him in the nuts, and so on
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"Waa waa mommy, but Rudolph started it!"
Had this incident happened against any team but the Squeelers I'd bet most of you knuckleheads defending Garrett would probably concede to the fact Garrett was way out of line no matter who or what caused the fight, accept the punishment and declare "next man up"! But since it was against those hated Squeeler thugs we release an entire different set of emotions that impede our ability to be rational.
These lame attempts by some to equate Myles swinging a helmet at someone's head to Harrisons hits or Wards blindside blocks or Browns apparent kick to the facemask during a runback, well, you people just aint right.
Those actions, although illegal, were still within the confines of game...tackling, running, blocking. Those infractions occurred when football was being played. Trying to inflict harm to another player by swinging a helmet at his unprotected head when the play is over is not football.
If you're all gung ho for revenge, then revenge is the hit Ju Ju took, revenge is the blow Randall gave to the other steeler wideout. Both infractions occurring playing the game of football. Both squeelers on concussion protocol. I must admit I felt a sense of satisfaction. It was payback for what that franchise had coming. But being the civil dude that I am, I still would have preferred those shots to the head to not have happened and kick their asses cleanly.
Did you ever get pissed and amused at the same time? It's how you feel when you hear another Browns joke. You hate it but have to admit it's funny. In the comments under one of those Myles videos was..."Now we know why the Browns logo is a helmet"...which made me right away think of Dwayne Rudd tossing his....geez.
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In short, there are little "standards" and it's really just Roger reacting to what the owners want. People forget: His enormous salary ($31. mill a year) is PAID FOR by the owners and they give him his marching orders, way too many fans think these decisions are all on Roger himself. They are not. He does what the owners tell him to do, trying to make as many as possible happy with him. But the owners love Roger taking the heat for what they want, and most fans buy into him being the primary decision maker on unpopular policies.
Well....Jimmy Haslam is an owner. But it has seemed over the years that he is just sort of a useless appendage as far as the "owner's club" is concerned. He clearly garners little or no respect whatsoever. He, and a few others let Jerry (I'm getting senile) Jones and ....Robert (Here I cum) Kraft dictate everything. You would think that maybe he would start getting a bit more influence, give that he is moving up the line in terms of seniority among owners:
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Well....Jimmy Haslam is an owner. But it has seemed over the years that he is just sort of a useless appendage as far as the "owner's club" is concerned. He clearly garners little or no respect whatsoever. He, and a few others let Jerry (I'm getting senile) Jones and ....Robert (Here I cum) Kraft dictate everything. You would think that maybe he would start getting a bit more influence, give that he is moving up the line in terms of seniority among owners:
Mr. Jimmy has to have a few winning seasons to matter.
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What Myles did was wrong, but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. If you shoot at someone, miss and hit the wall, you don't get charged with murder. Myles swung and connected with the helmet but he is 6'4 275 pounds of solid muscle and could of destroyed Mason Rudolph's head with that helmet. I think it's safe to say he either realised his fuck up and held back, or he never had any intention of hurting Rudolph.
Second, it was absurd that the Cleveland police were seen leaving the Browns locker room, this was football fight no crime here, should be handled in house. I actually feel bad for poor Myles for being treated like a felon.
Third, if Rudolph actually filed charges, he would been laughed out of the courtroom and possibly the NFL. And he probably would of had a target on his back.
4-6 games would have been more than adequate.
FREE MYLES GARRETT
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"Next man up"-SR
Myles with the junk defense. The helmet was just a "warning shot" to the head. ?
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"Waa waa mommy, but Rudolph started it!"
Had this incident happened against any team but the Squeelers I'd bet most of you knuckleheads defending Garrett would probably concede to the fact Garrett was way out of line no matter who or what caused the fight, accept the punishment and declare "next man up"! But since it was against those hated Squeeler thugs we release an entire different set of emotions that impede our ability to be rational.
These lame attempts by some to equate Myles swinging a helmet at someone's head to Harrisons hits or Wards blindside blocks or Browns apparent kick to the facemask during a runback, well, you people just aint right.
Those actions, although illegal, were still within the confines of game...tackling, running, blocking. Those infractions occurred when football was being played. Trying to inflict harm to another player by swinging a helmet at his unprotected head when the play is over is not football.
If you're all gung ho for revenge, then revenge is the hit Ju Ju took, revenge is the blow Randall gave to the other steeler wideout. Both infractions occurring playing the game of football. Both squeelers on concussion protocol. I must admit I felt a sense of satisfaction. It was payback for what that franchise had coming. But being the civil dude that I am, I still would have preferred those shots to the head to not have happened and kick their asses cleanly.
Did you ever get pissed and amused at the same time? It's how you feel when you hear another Browns joke. You hate it but have to admit it's funny. In the comments under one of those Myles videos was..."Now we know why the Browns logo is a helmet"...which made me right away think of Dwayne Rudd tossing his....geez.
"Waa waa mommy, but Rudolph started it!"
Had this incident happened against any team but the Squeelers I'd bet most of you knuckleheads defending Garrett would probably concede to the fact Garrett was way out of line no matter who or what caused the fight, accept the punishment and declare "next man up"! But since it was against those hated Squeeler thugs we release an entire different set of emotions that impede our ability to be rational.
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Weird. The rest of us admit he should never have swung the helmet. Richardson above just said the same thing. Garrett says it. There isn't any disagreement - you don't whack people in the head with helmets. I do understand self-defense.
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These lame attempts by some to equate Myles swinging a helmet at someone's head to Harrisons hits or Wards blindside blocks or Browns apparent kick to the facemask during a runback, well, you people just aint right.
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Go watch the steelers' van cheap shotten take out Carson Palmer's knee, on the SECOND OFFENSIVE PLAY by the Bengals, in the AFC WILD CARD GAME. Palmer was never the same. Slow down, and ask yourself - who got hurt far, far worse...Palmer, or Rudolph?
Watch the hit on Josh Cribbs, the hit on our kicker....the list goes on. and the pittsburg crowd laughed about the foot to our kicker's face? Come on.
The steelers have bullied and cheap shotted the Browns for years, they have done it to other teams. and hurt other players and laughed about it.
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Those actions, although illegal, were still within the confines of game...tackling, running, blocking. Those infractions occurred when football was being played. Trying to inflict harm to another player by swinging a helmet at his unprotected head when the play is over is not football.
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Wrong. Two kicks to the groin, trying to scratch Garrett's eyes out, trying to rip his helmet off, and charging him AFTER Garrett allowed himself to be pulled away,... IS NOT WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE GAME. Nobody is excusing Garrett for the helmet swing. No one is glad it happened.
The simple fact is, rudolph's behavior is the same as steeler behavior over many years.
Cheap shots, bullying, and often, a light rap on the hand with a rubber ruler if anything at all.
Most all of us wish the melee hadn't ever happened. It happened because rudolph is just another entitled, referee favored cheap shot steeler.
Perhaps you missed the point - Troy Vincent of the NFL said Ogunjobi got a one game suspension for shoving rudolph, because "that could have resulted in a re-escalation".
So, what the hell do you call rudolph charging after a restrained Garrett, AFTER he kicked Garrett in the groin, scratched up his face, said whatever it was to him that Kitchens won't repeat, tried to rip his helmet off...?
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I think everyone is aware what Myles did was wrong.
But like the Japanese classic Film "Rashomon" you have to look at all perspectives.
Mason's Perspective, Myles' Perspective, and the Outside perspective considering all that happened.
What happened? Tomlin and Freddie kept their starters in.... Mason was sacked, Tried to do something cheap to Myles. Myles wasn't having it, Mason tried to kick him in the balls and pull his facemask off.
Then instead of holding Mason back (If the Steelers players would of held Mason back, my bet is Garrett would've walked away), they hold and carry away Myles while Rudolph charges him. How stupid do you have to be to charge a guy who's being held by two of your teammates. And if anyone doesn't see that as threatening, that's ridiculous. Let's let two guys hold you as another guy charges you.
Mason should get the same punishment Myles got. Myles deserves to be punished and suspended multiple games, but letting Rudolph play the victim is just plain wrong. The way this all played out was solely because of him instigating the fight. Without him instigating, nothing would've happened.
That being said, I think four games is fair, even the rest of the reason is fair, but for Mason to get off Scott free it's an insult to players everywhere.
Suspend myles the rest of the season if you must, but into next year, that's just making an example out of us.
People make mistakes and I get it. And for Damien Woody and Keyshawn Johnson, you're a couple of simpletons that are both overreacting.
Max Kellerman actually had a good take on it. People need to look at the entire situation instead of one point of it.
I hope Myles learns from this, and I hope Rudolph quits playing the victim. Because nobody felt sorry for us when Pittsburgh kicked our kicker in the face, when Harrison cheapshotted us, when all the cheapshots happened to us. So give me a break with the poor Steelers dirty Browns BS.
We'll come back stronger from this.
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Well....Jimmy Haslam is an owner. But it has seemed over the years that he is just sort of a useless appendage as far as the "owner's club" is concerned. He clearly garners little or no respect whatsoever. He, and a few others let Jerry (I'm getting senile) Jones and ....Robert (Here I cum) Kraft dictate everything. You would think that maybe he would start getting a bit more influence, give that he is moving up the line in terms of seniority among owners:
Mr. Jimmy has to have a few winning seasons to matter.
Mr. Jimmy has to have a few winning seasons to matter.
Is that it...really? I mean, maybe.
Because look at the list....Mike Brown has been around longer than anyone except the 96 year old Virginia McCaskey...and Jerrah....and he certainly garners no respect among the league. Fair to say?
It does seem that it is Jones, Kraft...and everyone else.
Here is an interesting article. It says that other influential owners include Mara from the Giants, Arthur Blank of Atlanta...and a couple of newer owners...Clark Hunt of KC and Art Rooney II of Pitt. (more because of legacy than anything else) It also tells how and why some of these owners become influential. (this article must have been written just before Paul Allen died, as it refers to him, but makes no reference to his death)
And the article seems to support your theory...that winning counts and that is why Haslam cannot garner any influence. see this passage:
Some envisioned a similar rise for well-liked Cleveland owner Jimmy Haslam, but that’s been derailed, to some degree, due to his team’s struggles on the field. He, like Khan, wanted to be involved, but his rise has been slower than some envisioned. And that’s why the sixth piece in the process—longevity—matters. Owners’ credentials are built over time.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/07/18/nfl-most-powerful-owners-jerry-jones-john-mara-arthur-blank
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"Next man up"-SR
Myles with the junk defense. The helmet was just a "warning shot" to the head. ?
"Next man up"-SR
Myles with the junk defense. The helmet was just a "warning shot" to the head. ?
Love that song.
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First, thanks... I do pride myself on being one of the more objective posters on this board.
Second... you've been around here long enough to know that I've had Gipper on ignore for years now... so any psycho babble you see in my posts is mine and mine alone.
Third... specify what you want, retreat as far as you want, but at any angle I could gouge your eye inside a football helmet if I wanted to. It's not angle.... it's distance and with a worn helmet at chest high, the wearer's eyes are in range.
Fourth.... there was no fence post involved.... and have you ever built a fence?
Fifth... are you really maintaining that Rudolph was not trying to injure Myles? Was he pulling on MG's helmet so he could kiss him?
Lastly.... this incident is only unprecedented in that the swung helmet made contact, but regardless any punishment has to take into account the offending player's history... something you have either steadfastly refused to do or have seen through thoroughly biased eyes from the start.
You lost all credibility with me when you said it was the worst thing you'd ever seen on a football field.... or was it in sport? Either way I disagree...
In football there was Burfect's KO of AB... slightly edging out his latest hit on Doyle(?) only because he had to know that AB did not have the ball
And then there was this one too..... Seriously- those other cheap shots resulted in concussions\ serious injuries. Rudolph wasn't even hurt, and Squealer fans are acting like Garrett almost killed him.... they've got far more to bitch about on the other hit where the guy was bleeding out of his ear-
Oh and about 3:10 a real class move by Troy Poly-poo-poo...... the rest of it is interesting if you have 10 minutes to watch. Let's not forget Tomlin trying to trip that guy either....
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The rulebook states that using the helmet as a weapon is a 15 yard penalty and ejection from the game. Since there was only 8 seconds left, Myles should sit out the Miami game and return in time for the Steelers rematch. It's in the books and no amount of crying by the snowflake culture should change Football's rules on dime.
Myles Garrett should be suspended from the Miami game and a 250K fine should be paid before he can play again. period. period. period... oh, and Mason Rudolph should also be suspended a game for unruly and reckless behavior... and fined 50 cent for being a bitch.
The rulebook states that using the helmet as a weapon is a 15 yard penalty and ejection from the game. Since there was only 8 seconds left, Myles should sit out the Miami game and return in time for the Steelers rematch. It's in the books and no amount of crying by the snowflake culture should change Football's rules on dime.
And if the appeals committee wants to cry and say, "yeah but, it looked bad", then they can change the rules right then and there, BUT- Myles Garrett should be Grandfathered into what the rules stated at the time of the incident...
Nice try, but the rulebook is the starting point for discipline... nothing more.
Rules are separate from the league's disciplinary process.
Players are routinely suspended for on-field actions... even actions for which they were not ejected. In fact sometimes they are suspended for actions that were not even flagged at the time.
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My Wife recorded "Tailgate 19" - with Bob Golic, Eric Metcalf, Josh Cribbs, and Tony Zarella. I love listening to these guys. Cribbs said the suspension can't stand upon review, and the question was raised about a lawsuit. Cribbs is a very smart guy - he said bring it on, because in a court of law, the instigator is the assaulter, and clearly that was, obviously, Rudolph. He said it was football - Garrett had every right to sack him, and as Golic noted, Garrett went way, way careful to not land on him, and had Rudolph land on him instead, to not draw a penalty, etc and then the qb went ballistic. My paraphrase.
The instigator was the assaulter which would be a consideration. And Not only did he instigate he pursued Garrett later as Garrett was retreating.
Did Cribbs mention Garrett’s use of reasonable force the question would be did Garrett use reasonable force to protect himself from round two of the assault?
Garrett was faced with the following:
-two on one fight he was being subdued by one individual and the threat of attack was coming. Garrett was already assaulted by Rudolph it would be reasonable for Garrett to believe he was going to be assaulted again- he’s justified in protecting himself but The question hinges upon: Was his show of force excessive given the circumstances?
Garrett was faced with the following:
-two on one fight he was being subdued by one individual and the threat of attack was coming. Garrett was already assaulted by Rudolph it would be reasonable for Garrett to believe he was going to be assaulted again- he’s justified in protecting himself but The question hinges upon: Was his show of force excessive given the circumstances?
While your depiction of this incident is accurate, reason is no longer a factor.
Remember when SNL was at least a little funny?
It still is... in fact it's very funny. Some nights more than others and some skits more than others, but the past couple seasons stand with the best of the "golden era" of SNL.
Try taking in an entire show someday.
Trying to inflict harm to another player by swinging a helmet at his unprotected head when the play is over is not football.
Are you secretly Goodell??? You've using his arguments...
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I think everyone is aware what Myles did was wrong.
But like the Japanese classic Film "Rashomon" you have to look at all perspectives.
Mason's Perspective, Myles' Perspective, and the Outside perspective considering all that happened.
What happened? Tomlin and Freddie kept their starters in.... Mason was sacked, Tried to do something cheap to Myles. Myles wasn't having it, Mason tried to kick him in the balls and pull his facemask off.
Then instead of holding Mason back (If the Steelers players would of held Mason back, my bet is Garrett would've walked away), they hold and carry away Myles while Rudolph charges him. How stupid do you have to be to charge a guy who's being held by two of your teammates. And if anyone doesn't see that as threatening, that's ridiculous. Let's let two guys hold you as another guy charges you.
Mason should get the same punishment Myles got. Myles deserves to be punished and suspended multiple games, but letting Rudolph play the victim is just plain wrong. The way this all played out was solely because of him instigating the fight. Without him instigating, nothing would've happened.
That being said, I think four games is fair, even the rest of the reason is fair, but for Mason to get off Scott free it's an insult to players everywhere.
Suspend myles the rest of the season if you must, but into next year, that's just making an example out of us.
People make mistakes and I get it. And for Damien Woody and Keyshawn Johnson, you're a couple of simpletons that are both overreacting.
Max Kellerman actually had a good take on it. People need to look at the entire situation instead of one point of it.
I hope Myles learns from this, and I hope Rudolph quits playing the victim. Because nobody felt sorry for us when Pittsburgh kicked our kicker in the face, when Harrison cheapshotted us, when all the cheapshots happened to us. So give me a break with the poor Steelers dirty Browns BS.
We'll come back stronger from this.
I think everyone is aware what Myles did was wrong.
But like the Japanese classic Film "Rashomon" you have to look at all perspectives.
Mason's Perspective, Myles' Perspective, and the Outside perspective considering all that happened.
What happened? Tomlin and Freddie kept their starters in.... Mason was sacked, Tried to do something cheap to Myles. Myles wasn't having it, Mason tried to kick him in the balls and pull his facemask off.
Then instead of holding Mason back (If the Steelers players would of held Mason back, my bet is Garrett would've walked away), they hold and carry away Myles while Rudolph charges him. How stupid do you have to be to charge a guy who's being held by two of your teammates. And if anyone doesn't see that as threatening, that's ridiculous. Let's let two guys hold you as another guy charges you.
Mason should get the same punishment Myles got. Myles deserves to be punished and suspended multiple games, but letting Rudolph play the victim is just plain wrong. The way this all played out was solely because of him instigating the fight. Without him instigating, nothing would've happened.
That being said, I think four games is fair, even the rest of the reason is fair, but for Mason to get off Scott free it's an insult to players everywhere.
Suspend myles the rest of the season if you must, but into next year, that's just making an example out of us.
People make mistakes and I get it. And for Damien Woody and Keyshawn Johnson, you're a couple of simpletons that are both overreacting.
Max Kellerman actually had a good take on it. People need to look at the entire situation instead of one point of it.
I hope Myles learns from this, and I hope Rudolph quits playing the victim. Because nobody felt sorry for us when Pittsburgh kicked our kicker in the face, when Harrison cheapshotted us, when all the cheapshots happened to us. So give me a break with the poor Steelers dirty Browns BS.
We'll come back stronger from this.
May be the first Japanese cinema reference I've ever seen posted here.
Agree with your take...
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I've noticed something, and multiple people have done it, in the retelling of the Rudolph/Garrett incident.
Garrett did not sack Rudolph. He most likely thought he did, but Rudolph got rid of the ball as Garrett wrapped him up and completed the pass to one of their RBs. This is important, because this is most likely the reason everything after occurred. Garrett had no idea Rudolph got rid of the ball, so he completed the tackle, Rudolph DID know he got rid of the ball, which is why he got pissed and lost his mind.
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Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
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Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
You don't think having his helmet almost ripped off, getting kicked in his lil' Myles and having the guy who did both coming back at him AGAIN didn't have something to do with his anger?
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Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
er... he was upset about rudoolfus who tried to scratch his eyes out, tried to rip off his helmet down over his face....and who DID kick him in the groin...
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Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
er... he was upset about rudoolfus who tried to scratch his eyes out, tried to rip off his helmet down over his face....and who DID kick him in the groin...
er... he was upset about rudoolfus who tried to scratch his eyes out, tried to rip off his helmet down over his face....and who DID kick him in the groin...
It will be interesting tomorrow if Mr. Arbitrator buys that line of reasoning Cal..... I'm certain Myles will bring all that up. If the arbitrator goes along with it, the suspension will be reduced.
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