Myles
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"Next man up"-SR
Myles with the junk defense. The helmet was just a "warning shot" to the head. ?
"Next man up"-SR
Myles with the junk defense. The helmet was just a "warning shot" to the head. ?
Love that song.
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First, thanks... I do pride myself on being one of the more objective posters on this board.
Second... you've been around here long enough to know that I've had Gipper on ignore for years now... so any psycho babble you see in my posts is mine and mine alone.
Third... specify what you want, retreat as far as you want, but at any angle I could gouge your eye inside a football helmet if I wanted to. It's not angle.... it's distance and with a worn helmet at chest high, the wearer's eyes are in range.
Fourth.... there was no fence post involved.... and have you ever built a fence?
Fifth... are you really maintaining that Rudolph was not trying to injure Myles? Was he pulling on MG's helmet so he could kiss him?
Lastly.... this incident is only unprecedented in that the swung helmet made contact, but regardless any punishment has to take into account the offending player's history... something you have either steadfastly refused to do or have seen through thoroughly biased eyes from the start.
You lost all credibility with me when you said it was the worst thing you'd ever seen on a football field.... or was it in sport? Either way I disagree...
In football there was Burfect's KO of AB... slightly edging out his latest hit on Doyle(?) only because he had to know that AB did not have the ball
And then there was this one too..... Seriously- those other cheap shots resulted in concussions\ serious injuries. Rudolph wasn't even hurt, and Squealer fans are acting like Garrett almost killed him.... they've got far more to bitch about on the other hit where the guy was bleeding out of his ear-
Oh and about 3:10 a real class move by Troy Poly-poo-poo...... the rest of it is interesting if you have 10 minutes to watch. Let's not forget Tomlin trying to trip that guy either....
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The rulebook states that using the helmet as a weapon is a 15 yard penalty and ejection from the game. Since there was only 8 seconds left, Myles should sit out the Miami game and return in time for the Steelers rematch. It's in the books and no amount of crying by the snowflake culture should change Football's rules on dime.
Myles Garrett should be suspended from the Miami game and a 250K fine should be paid before he can play again. period. period. period... oh, and Mason Rudolph should also be suspended a game for unruly and reckless behavior... and fined 50 cent for being a bitch.
The rulebook states that using the helmet as a weapon is a 15 yard penalty and ejection from the game. Since there was only 8 seconds left, Myles should sit out the Miami game and return in time for the Steelers rematch. It's in the books and no amount of crying by the snowflake culture should change Football's rules on dime.
And if the appeals committee wants to cry and say, "yeah but, it looked bad", then they can change the rules right then and there, BUT- Myles Garrett should be Grandfathered into what the rules stated at the time of the incident...
Nice try, but the rulebook is the starting point for discipline... nothing more.
Rules are separate from the league's disciplinary process.
Players are routinely suspended for on-field actions... even actions for which they were not ejected. In fact sometimes they are suspended for actions that were not even flagged at the time.
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My Wife recorded "Tailgate 19" - with Bob Golic, Eric Metcalf, Josh Cribbs, and Tony Zarella. I love listening to these guys. Cribbs said the suspension can't stand upon review, and the question was raised about a lawsuit. Cribbs is a very smart guy - he said bring it on, because in a court of law, the instigator is the assaulter, and clearly that was, obviously, Rudolph. He said it was football - Garrett had every right to sack him, and as Golic noted, Garrett went way, way careful to not land on him, and had Rudolph land on him instead, to not draw a penalty, etc and then the qb went ballistic. My paraphrase.
The instigator was the assaulter which would be a consideration. And Not only did he instigate he pursued Garrett later as Garrett was retreating.
Did Cribbs mention Garrett’s use of reasonable force the question would be did Garrett use reasonable force to protect himself from round two of the assault?
Garrett was faced with the following:
-two on one fight he was being subdued by one individual and the threat of attack was coming. Garrett was already assaulted by Rudolph it would be reasonable for Garrett to believe he was going to be assaulted again- he’s justified in protecting himself but The question hinges upon: Was his show of force excessive given the circumstances?
Garrett was faced with the following:
-two on one fight he was being subdued by one individual and the threat of attack was coming. Garrett was already assaulted by Rudolph it would be reasonable for Garrett to believe he was going to be assaulted again- he’s justified in protecting himself but The question hinges upon: Was his show of force excessive given the circumstances?
While your depiction of this incident is accurate, reason is no longer a factor.
Remember when SNL was at least a little funny?
It still is... in fact it's very funny. Some nights more than others and some skits more than others, but the past couple seasons stand with the best of the "golden era" of SNL.
Try taking in an entire show someday.
Trying to inflict harm to another player by swinging a helmet at his unprotected head when the play is over is not football.
Are you secretly Goodell??? You've using his arguments...
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I think everyone is aware what Myles did was wrong.
But like the Japanese classic Film "Rashomon" you have to look at all perspectives.
Mason's Perspective, Myles' Perspective, and the Outside perspective considering all that happened.
What happened? Tomlin and Freddie kept their starters in.... Mason was sacked, Tried to do something cheap to Myles. Myles wasn't having it, Mason tried to kick him in the balls and pull his facemask off.
Then instead of holding Mason back (If the Steelers players would of held Mason back, my bet is Garrett would've walked away), they hold and carry away Myles while Rudolph charges him. How stupid do you have to be to charge a guy who's being held by two of your teammates. And if anyone doesn't see that as threatening, that's ridiculous. Let's let two guys hold you as another guy charges you.
Mason should get the same punishment Myles got. Myles deserves to be punished and suspended multiple games, but letting Rudolph play the victim is just plain wrong. The way this all played out was solely because of him instigating the fight. Without him instigating, nothing would've happened.
That being said, I think four games is fair, even the rest of the reason is fair, but for Mason to get off Scott free it's an insult to players everywhere.
Suspend myles the rest of the season if you must, but into next year, that's just making an example out of us.
People make mistakes and I get it. And for Damien Woody and Keyshawn Johnson, you're a couple of simpletons that are both overreacting.
Max Kellerman actually had a good take on it. People need to look at the entire situation instead of one point of it.
I hope Myles learns from this, and I hope Rudolph quits playing the victim. Because nobody felt sorry for us when Pittsburgh kicked our kicker in the face, when Harrison cheapshotted us, when all the cheapshots happened to us. So give me a break with the poor Steelers dirty Browns BS.
We'll come back stronger from this.
I think everyone is aware what Myles did was wrong.
But like the Japanese classic Film "Rashomon" you have to look at all perspectives.
Mason's Perspective, Myles' Perspective, and the Outside perspective considering all that happened.
What happened? Tomlin and Freddie kept their starters in.... Mason was sacked, Tried to do something cheap to Myles. Myles wasn't having it, Mason tried to kick him in the balls and pull his facemask off.
Then instead of holding Mason back (If the Steelers players would of held Mason back, my bet is Garrett would've walked away), they hold and carry away Myles while Rudolph charges him. How stupid do you have to be to charge a guy who's being held by two of your teammates. And if anyone doesn't see that as threatening, that's ridiculous. Let's let two guys hold you as another guy charges you.
Mason should get the same punishment Myles got. Myles deserves to be punished and suspended multiple games, but letting Rudolph play the victim is just plain wrong. The way this all played out was solely because of him instigating the fight. Without him instigating, nothing would've happened.
That being said, I think four games is fair, even the rest of the reason is fair, but for Mason to get off Scott free it's an insult to players everywhere.
Suspend myles the rest of the season if you must, but into next year, that's just making an example out of us.
People make mistakes and I get it. And for Damien Woody and Keyshawn Johnson, you're a couple of simpletons that are both overreacting.
Max Kellerman actually had a good take on it. People need to look at the entire situation instead of one point of it.
I hope Myles learns from this, and I hope Rudolph quits playing the victim. Because nobody felt sorry for us when Pittsburgh kicked our kicker in the face, when Harrison cheapshotted us, when all the cheapshots happened to us. So give me a break with the poor Steelers dirty Browns BS.
We'll come back stronger from this.
May be the first Japanese cinema reference I've ever seen posted here.
Agree with your take...
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I've noticed something, and multiple people have done it, in the retelling of the Rudolph/Garrett incident.
Garrett did not sack Rudolph. He most likely thought he did, but Rudolph got rid of the ball as Garrett wrapped him up and completed the pass to one of their RBs. This is important, because this is most likely the reason everything after occurred. Garrett had no idea Rudolph got rid of the ball, so he completed the tackle, Rudolph DID know he got rid of the ball, which is why he got pissed and lost his mind.
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Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
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Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
You don't think having his helmet almost ripped off, getting kicked in his lil' Myles and having the guy who did both coming back at him AGAIN didn't have something to do with his anger?
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Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
er... he was upset about rudoolfus who tried to scratch his eyes out, tried to rip off his helmet down over his face....and who DID kick him in the groin...
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Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
er... he was upset about rudoolfus who tried to scratch his eyes out, tried to rip off his helmet down over his face....and who DID kick him in the groin...
er... he was upset about rudoolfus who tried to scratch his eyes out, tried to rip off his helmet down over his face....and who DID kick him in the groin...
It will be interesting tomorrow if Mr. Arbitrator buys that line of reasoning Cal..... I'm certain Myles will bring all that up. If the arbitrator goes along with it, the suspension will be reduced.
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Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
I hope the reasoning you gave is sarcasm.
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Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
I don't think that had a damn thing to do with it.
maybe he was mad because he was being held all night.
Maybe he was mad because a guy was trying to poke him in the eye and rip off his helmet and kick him in the nuts.
Maybe he was mad because he hadn't gotten laid in a month.
Maybe this, maybe that, maybe another thing. His pressure was largely responsible for Rudolpho throwing 4 picks. Nothing to be mad about there.
A pick is better than a sack, in my opinion.
To paraphrase Luke Skywalker....
Except, yes...he should have tossed the helmet.
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Once Garrett ripped off the helmet......he should've just tossed it aside. The game was over. But no, he was pissed off because he, again, didn't get any sacks. He is apparently quite concerned with his personal sack count. He wants to lead the league. - It certainly wasn't frustration that his team was losing another game.
I hope the reasoning you gave is sarcasm.
I hope the reasoning you gave is sarcasm.
Nope.
I think what I said has a part to play in it.
Do I think it was the sole factor? Of course not. Just because he didn't get any sacks, again, he wasn't going to go over to Rudolph and yank his helmet off and whack him with it. No. But add to him already being frustrated, then the guy tries to rip his helmet off, and then comes back for more........it all adds up to 'whack'.
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Shows a really great view that closed the book on the fairy tale that Rudolph had his hand stuck in Myles helmet. You can clearly see his sissy hand outside the helmet before he DECIDED to put in it the cage.
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OK...while this is a very serious situation, I have to admit...this made me laugh my ass off!
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I've noticed something, and multiple people have done it, in the retelling of the Rudolph/Garrett incident.
Garrett did not sack Rudolph. He most likely thought he did, but Rudolph got rid of the ball as Garrett wrapped him up and completed the pass to one of their RBs. This is important, because this is most likely the reason everything after occurred. Garrett had no idea Rudolph got rid of the ball, so he completed the tackle, Rudolph DID know he got rid of the ball, which is why he got pissed and lost his mind.
I've noticed something, and multiple people have done it, in the retelling of the Rudolph/Garrett incident.
Garrett did not sack Rudolph. He most likely thought he did, but Rudolph got rid of the ball as Garrett wrapped him up and completed the pass to one of their RBs. This is important, because this is most likely the reason everything after occurred. Garrett had no idea Rudolph got rid of the ball, so he completed the tackle, Rudolph DID know he got rid of the ball, which is why he got pissed and lost his mind.
It is very telling that no flag was given to Garrett on the near sack. Nowadays it’s touch football with the QB. So if that aggravated Mason to the point on that kind of anger - perhaps he has a problem besides just throwing footballs
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Garrett was faced with the following:
-two on one fight he was being subdued by one individual and the threat of attack was coming. Garrett was already assaulted by Rudolph it would be reasonable for Garrett to believe he was going to be assaulted again- he’s justified in protecting himself but The question hinges upon: Was his show of force excessive given the circumstances?
While your depiction of this incident is accurate, reason is no longer a factor.
Remember when SNL was at least a little funny?
It still is... in fact it's very funny. Some nights more than others and some skits more than others, but the past couple seasons stand with the best of the "golden era" of SNL.
Try taking in an entire show someday.
Trying to inflict harm to another player by swinging a helmet at his unprotected head when the play is over is not football.
Are you secretly Goodell??? You've using his arguments...
While your depiction of this incident is accurate, reason is no longer a factor.
It still is... in fact it's very funny. Some nights more than others and some skits more than others, but the past couple seasons stand with the best of the "golden era" of SNL.
Try taking in an entire show someday.
Are you secretly Goodell??? You've using his arguments...
Well it’s likely the true reason he didn’t attempt to bring charges.
He would be judged On all the attending circumstances and scenarios that play out in the self defense standard. Many of nuances to it and the actions that took place don’t exactly make him look innocent.
Garrett may have been better off if the Steelers and Mason attempted to pursue action. The ultimate decision and likely message would be prosecution not pursuing this type of case and the reasons would probably make Garrett not look so bad in the eye of the public which is important because I’d argue that was the basis of his initial suspension
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A lot of interesting sources on what the appeals process is looking like. I thought the "indefinite" suspension what a show move all along and this would quietly (as possible) get reduced down a bit.
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The helmet swing looked bad when it happened, but it's not really THAT bad. We are not used to seeing things like this so when it happened everyone is appalled and it didn't help a lot of people super overreacted to it. Once more details started to come out I think people started to calm down. It is what it is, a football fight that happened on a football field that should (and was) handled in house. The fact that the Cleveland police were seen leaving the locker room and the talk of legal action are totally absurd.
AND, this could be the shot in the arm this franchise has needed for quite some time. The Browns are in the thick of a playoff hunt and you bet your ass the Pittsburgh rivalry is back on and everyone's got that game in Pittsburgh circled. If you're a Browns player and you're not up for this game, take off the uniform and go play soccer.
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