New NFL CBA
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If they do the 17th game, and they adopt this "permanent rival" concept.....there are quite a number that would seem fairly natural:
New York Jets vs. New York Giants. Same stadium.
Baltimore Ravens vs. Washington Redskins ....stadium's only about 30 miles apart
Carolina vs. Tennessee. Adjoining states which have a big "hillbilly rivalry" as it is.
Tampa Bay vs. Miami. Cross state rivalry.
Jacksonville vs. Atlanta. Mimic the Fla/Georgia rivalry and Just call it the World's Second Biggest Cocktail Party...or some such.
Cleveland vs. Detroit. Once the biggest NFL rivalry. Detroit actually closer to Cleveland than either Pitt or Cincy. Already do the GLC
Dallas vs. Houston Yeehaw
LA Chargers vs. LA Rams. Will be playing on the same field.
Philadelphia vs. Pittsburgh. Another cross state rivalry.
San Francisco vs. Oakland/Las Vegas. Rivalry could still be strong despite move of Raiders
Denver vs. Arizona. Call it the Four Corners rivalry
Chicago vs. Indianapolis I-65 rivalry.
.....That accounts for 24 of the 32 NFL teams.
The other 8 teams do not seem to have a natural rival in the other conference:
Cincinnati.....New Orleans....Green Bay....Minnesota....Seattle....Kansas City.....Buffalo.....New Engand.
Of these, the only one that could logically connect is Kansas City vs. Minn. And here is some weird reasoning: at one time the Twin Cities area was considered the "territory" of the Kansas City mob. So, why not?
How about a "Northern Corners Rivalry" between New England, the furthest Northeast NFL City vs. Seattle the furthest northwest NFL city.
Or a Riverboat Rivalry...between Cincinnati and New Orleans?
And a "Frozen Tundra Rivalry between Buffalo and Green Bay (and always play it in December!!)
Sound good?
Sound good?
No.
The rivalry thing wouldn't work. Teams move to new locations too often. mho
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Picky picky.
Could the Browns just change to playing against the Canton Bulldogs instead. Mike could get us tickets on the front row a la Bob Uecker. ?
Happy now!?
Happy to know that you’re just a silly old sod ????
Happy to know that you’re just a silly old sod ????
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Sound good?
No.
The rivalry thing wouldn't work. Teams move to new locations too often. mho
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If they do the 17th game, and they adopt this "permanent rival" concept.....there are quite a number that would seem fairly natural:
New York Jets vs. New York Giants. Same stadium.
Baltimore Ravens vs. Washington Redskins ....stadium's only about 30 miles apart
Carolina vs. Tennessee. Adjoining states which have a big "hillbilly rivalry" as it is.
Tampa Bay vs. Miami. Cross state rivalry.
Jacksonville vs. Atlanta. Mimic the Fla/Georgia rivalry and Just call it the World's Second Biggest Cocktail Party...or some such.
Cleveland vs. Detroit. Once the biggest NFL rivalry. Detroit actually closer to Cleveland than either Pitt or Cincy. Already do the GLC
Dallas vs. Houston Yeehaw
LA Chargers vs. LA Rams. Will be playing on the same field.
Philadelphia vs. Pittsburgh. Another cross state rivalry.
San Francisco vs. Oakland/Las Vegas. Rivalry could still be strong despite move of Raiders
Denver vs. Arizona. Call it the Four Corners rivalry
Chicago vs. Indianapolis I-65 rivalry.
.....That accounts for 24 of the 32 NFL teams.
The other 8 teams do not seem to have a natural rival in the other conference:
Cincinnati.....New Orleans....Green Bay....Minnesota....Seattle....Kansas City.....Buffalo.....New Engand.
Of these, the only one that could logically connect is Kansas City vs. Minn. And here is some weird reasoning: at one time the Twin Cities area was considered the "territory" of the Kansas City mob. So, why not?
How about a "Northern Corners Rivalry" between New England, the furthest Northeast NFL City vs. Seattle the furthest northwest NFL city.
Or a Riverboat Rivalry...between Cincinnati and New Orleans?
And a "Frozen Tundra Rivalry between Buffalo and Green Bay (and always play it in December!!)
Sound good?
If they do the 17th game, and they adopt this "permanent rival" concept.....there are quite a number that would seem fairly natural:
New York Jets vs. New York Giants. Same stadium.
Baltimore Ravens vs. Washington Redskins ....stadium's only about 30 miles apart
Carolina vs. Tennessee. Adjoining states which have a big "hillbilly rivalry" as it is.
Tampa Bay vs. Miami. Cross state rivalry.
Jacksonville vs. Atlanta. Mimic the Fla/Georgia rivalry and Just call it the World's Second Biggest Cocktail Party...or some such.
Cleveland vs. Detroit. Once the biggest NFL rivalry. Detroit actually closer to Cleveland than either Pitt or Cincy. Already do the GLC
Dallas vs. Houston Yeehaw
LA Chargers vs. LA Rams. Will be playing on the same field.
Philadelphia vs. Pittsburgh. Another cross state rivalry.
San Francisco vs. Oakland/Las Vegas. Rivalry could still be strong despite move of Raiders
Denver vs. Arizona. Call it the Four Corners rivalry
Chicago vs. Indianapolis I-65 rivalry.
.....That accounts for 24 of the 32 NFL teams.
The other 8 teams do not seem to have a natural rival in the other conference:
Cincinnati.....New Orleans....Green Bay....Minnesota....Seattle....Kansas City.....Buffalo.....New Engand.
Of these, the only one that could logically connect is Kansas City vs. Minn. And here is some weird reasoning: at one time the Twin Cities area was considered the "territory" of the Kansas City mob. So, why not?
How about a "Northern Corners Rivalry" between New England, the furthest Northeast NFL City vs. Seattle the furthest northwest NFL city.
Or a Riverboat Rivalry...between Cincinnati and New Orleans?
And a "Frozen Tundra Rivalry between Buffalo and Green Bay (and always play it in December!!)
Sound good?
Yes, for the most part. Definitely hard to conjure up rivalries, as they tend to happen over time. The NFL tried to force feed a Browns-Ratbirds rivalry, for instance.
Funny you mention the Lions-Browns rivalry. My dad told me growing up that I wasn't allowed to root for the NYG, Eagles, or Lions. Being the good boy I was, I didn't and never will.
I passed that on to my three sons, who are grown and relocated. They also know not to ever root for Balt, Pitt, Cincy, Tenn (nee Oilers), Den, and the entire NFC East.
Yeah, I only have a problem with about 27 NFL teams lol.
GO BROWNS
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Yeah, I only have a problem with about 27 NFL teams lol.
Can we go for 31 teams? Maybe.
But, now that you mention it.....I am thinking about which teams I may not have a problem...per se, as long as the Browns are not playing them. Most of these would be teams who have never won a title...or where it has been many, many years. So here is a partial list:
The Lions. This team is actually the team that has been in and stayed in its city the longest since their last title.
The Bills. They have waited only 1 year less than the Browns. 1965 since their last title.
So....as far as the above....it is the Curse of Lake Erie......Buffalo on the east, Cleveland in the center and Detroit in the west of the lake....
Minnesota Vikings. No titles since franchise began in 1960.
A few others:
The Chargers. I would have even more sympatico with them if they had not move to LA. As is, they have gone since 1963.
The Cards. This franchise has actually gone the longest. Since 1947. And, I mean....some team in major league sports has to exist to keep the Cleveland Indians now from being the team that has gone the longest since winning a title. But the Cards are a carpetbagger team....going from Chicago to St. Louis to AZ
The Titans. Similar to the Cards....no titles since 1961 as the Houston Oilers....but there move from Houston gives me a fuckem attitude toward them.
Jacksonville Jaguars. They don't really offend me as an entity....but they are a young team....let them wait.
Jets, and Dolphins. These two are in a similar boat......long time since last title....1968 and 1973 respectively. They don't seem too smug.....like the Pats in their division (but, I guess if they were winning they too could act smug)
The Chiefs. I see KC and Cleveland as similar type cities. Chiefs have not won since 1969.
Falcons. Not won since they have been in the league in the mid 60s. I have no sympathy though for fucking up royally the massive lead they had in the SB vs. Pats. What chokers.
Panthers. Like the Jags.
Finally....The Green Bay Packers. Yes, they have won recently...and have won more titles than any single other franchise. But the reason they are OK by me is that they are the only community owned franchise...not beset by the whims of a single greedy owner. How socialistic!!
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G. International Games. How many games will be played internationally and what amount of Home games should count towards that number or settling on a format that allows both teams to play their away games in another country.
G. International Games. How many games will be played internationally and what amount of Home games should count towards that number or settling on a format that allows both teams to play their away games in another country.
Yeah- this International stuff is getting out of hand. Pretty sure every team hates it when their number comes up to play in London. OTOH, I don't have a problem with regular season games in Mexico or Canada. FYI, when the Browns got tabbed to be the home team in London, the season ticket holders didn't get charged for it- and we were offered special travel packages if we wanted to make the trip...... They were mighty pricey though, in the $4,000- $5,000 range.
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G. International Games. How many games will be played internationally and what amount of Home games should count towards that number or settling on a format that allows both teams to play their away games in another country.
Yeah- this International stuff is getting out of hand. Pretty sure every team hates it when their number comes up to play in London. OTOH, I don't have a problem with regular season games in Mexico or Canada. FYI, when the Browns got tabbed to be the home team in London, the season ticket holders didn't get charged for it- and we were offered special travel packages if we wanted to make the trip...... They were mighty pricey though, in the $4,000- $5,000 range.
Yeah- this International stuff is getting out of hand. Pretty sure every team hates it when their number comes up to play in London. OTOH, I don't have a problem with regular season games in Mexico or Canada. FYI, when the Browns got tabbed to be the home team in London, the season ticket holders didn't get charged for it- and we were offered special travel packages if we wanted to make the trip...... They were mighty pricey though, in the $4,000- $5,000 range.
Fortunately all the international games seem to be done now for this year:
London Games
Chicago Bears vs. Oakland Raiders, Sunday, Oct. 6, 1 p.m. ET, at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium
Carolina Panthers vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Sunday, Oct. 13, 9:30 a.m. ET at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium
Cincinnati Bengals vs. Los Angeles Rams, Sunday, Oct. 27, 1 p.m. ET at Wembley Stadium
Houston Texans vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, Sunday, Nov. 3, 9:30 a.m. ET at Wembley Stadium
Mexico Game
Kansas City Chiefs vs. Los Angeles Chargers, Monday, Nov. 18, 8:15 pm. ET at Estadio Azteca
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Apparently both the Falcons and the Dolphins have volunteered to play in London next year:
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article236981771.html
Further....IF the NFL is going to continue to play in Mexico City, some accounts I have seen are saying that they can no longer play on the horrible grass field they have there, that the league should/would have to install the PAT down there.
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Apparently both the Falcons and the Dolphins have volunteered to play in London next year:
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article236981771.html
Further....IF the NFL is going to continue to play in Mexico City, some accounts I have seen are saying that they can no longer play on the horrible grass field they have there, that the league should/would have to install the PAT down there.
Apparently both the Falcons and the Dolphins have volunteered to play in London next year:
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article236981771.html
Further....IF the NFL is going to continue to play in Mexico City, some accounts I have seen are saying that they can no longer play on the horrible grass field they have there, that the league should/would have to install the PAT down there.
Only problem regarding the NFL down Mexico way. Estadia Azteca is primarily used for soccer, and if I'm not mistaken- soccer matches have to be played on natural grass. At an altitude of 7,200' I have a suspicion it's mighty tough to keep up a lush turf playing field.
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Apparently both the Falcons and the Dolphins have volunteered to play in London next year:
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article236981771.html
Further....IF the NFL is going to continue to play in Mexico City, some accounts I have seen are saying that they can no longer play on the horrible grass field they have there, that the league should/would have to install the PAT down there.
Only problem regarding the NFL down Mexico way. Estadia Azteca is primarily used for soccer, and if I'm not mistaken- soccer matches have to be played on natural grass. At an altitude of 7,200' I have a suspicion it's mighty tough to keep up a lush turf playing field.
Only problem regarding the NFL down Mexico way. Estadia Azteca is primarily used for soccer, and if I'm not mistaken- soccer matches have to be played on natural grass. At an altitude of 7,200' I have a suspicion it's mighty tough to keep up a lush turf playing field.
Why do the HAVE to be played on natural grass? There are a number of MLS teams that do not play on grass:
https://the18.com/soccer-entertainment/six-clubs-mls-with-turf-fields
Maybe the different natures of the games allow soccer to play on a shitty grass field. Perhaps football tears up a grass field more that soccer does.
But, I think if they want to continue to have NFL games there, they need to do something.....or do nothing (i.e...don't play there).
I mean, do they play on grass fields in Norway or Iceland...where the term "frozen tundra" really may apply
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G. International Games. How many games will be played internationally and what amount of Home games should count towards that number or settling on a format that allows both teams to play their away games in another country.
Yeah- this International stuff is getting out of hand. Pretty sure every team hates it when their number comes up to play in London. OTOH, I don't have a problem with regular season games in Mexico or Canada. FYI, when the Browns got tabbed to be the home team in London, the season ticket holders didn't get charged for it- and we were offered special travel packages if we wanted to make the trip...... They were mighty pricey though, in the $4,000- $5,000 range.
Yeah- this International stuff is getting out of hand. Pretty sure every team hates it when their number comes up to play in London. OTOH, I don't have a problem with regular season games in Mexico or Canada. FYI, when the Browns got tabbed to be the home team in London, the season ticket holders didn't get charged for it- and we were offered special travel packages if we wanted to make the trip...... They were mighty pricey though, in the $4,000- $5,000 range.
Yes if I recall correctly they charged us for 9 games instead of 10 but they also increased season ticket prices at the same time so not much of a discount.
Now with the "new" - past several years - of pricing different games with different prices it might work out better. I do like the suggestion of the 17th game being international if they keep those games.
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The current CBA expires at the end of the 2020 season....next year. Some issues I think will be in play:
A. A new disciplinary procedure needs to be instituted. Right now, one guy, (Troy Vincent currently) metes out all the fines, suspensions, etc. And while there is an appeal...that goes just to the Commissioner, Goodell. He occasionally revises punishment...but only occasionally and not by much. In the past this has caused a whole can of worms. I personally think that the NFL should have a disciplinary panel....made of up player reps (if not current ones because they are kinda busy, but maybe recently retired guys), management reps, and attorneys/magistrates...legal officials. Any appeals should go to like a 3 judge panel (just like regular court appeals do)...who, yes, should be like retired judges. The commissioners office should stay out of it completely IMO.
B. Dope. Dope...Marijuana testing will be eliminated. The only kind of discipline that should be applied would be if someone like got caught driving under the influence (that includes alcohol, MJ, other street drugs, or prescription drugs. Right how, I guess, maybe, they should perhaps still test for like cocaine, meth, etc. ..more to get people help than to discipline them.
C. The Franchise Tag....will be an issue for discussion. Players apparently hate it. Not sure why when under it they become at least one of the top 5 paid players at their positions.
D. I know the whole 18 game season/reduced preseason issue will be on board. I really do not like the idea of an 18 game season...but I really hate the idea of continuing with the current preseason format.
E. Healthcare. For current and retired players. Always a concern. And include side health issues...like CTE testing etc.
F. Money.....ALWAYS money. How do the players and owners divide up the huge revenues they receive.
Can you all think of anything else?
The current CBA expires at the end of the 2020 season....next year. Some issues I think will be in play:
A. A new disciplinary procedure needs to be instituted. Right now, one guy, (Troy Vincent currently) metes out all the fines, suspensions, etc. And while there is an appeal...that goes just to the Commissioner, Goodell. He occasionally revises punishment...but only occasionally and not by much. In the past this has caused a whole can of worms. I personally think that the NFL should have a disciplinary panel....made of up player reps (if not current ones because they are kinda busy, but maybe recently retired guys), management reps, and attorneys/magistrates...legal officials. Any appeals should go to like a 3 judge panel (just like regular court appeals do)...who, yes, should be like retired judges. The commissioners office should stay out of it completely IMO.
B. Dope. Dope...Marijuana testing will be eliminated. The only kind of discipline that should be applied would be if someone like got caught driving under the influence (that includes alcohol, MJ, other street drugs, or prescription drugs. Right how, I guess, maybe, they should perhaps still test for like cocaine, meth, etc. ..more to get people help than to discipline them.
C. The Franchise Tag....will be an issue for discussion. Players apparently hate it. Not sure why when under it they become at least one of the top 5 paid players at their positions.
D. I know the whole 18 game season/reduced preseason issue will be on board. I really do not like the idea of an 18 game season...but I really hate the idea of continuing with the current preseason format.
E. Healthcare. For current and retired players. Always a concern. And include side health issues...like CTE testing etc.
F. Money.....ALWAYS money. How do the players and owners divide up the huge revenues they receive.
Can you all think of anything else?
Good overview. I will say this: Some of the things the owners "got over" with the players last time will be hotly contested this time around. Allowing the commish to be "judge, jury and executioner" ain't gonna fly. And there will have to be something changed about the tag, as you note.
The franchise tag should probably be junked. If you can't agree on a contract with a free agent, tough titties, then they walk. Other industries can't do this.
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