Ron Rivera

jrb12711

Rivera is an excellent coach, my gut reaction is to say the same thing. I really wonder (strongly) what this team would look like with a veteran leader like Ron along with Freddie calling the plays.

ballpeen

You might, but John Dorsey isn't.

D Bone

Surprise firing for sure....... one man's trash, is........... (or so they say)

browns52

@lodilobo said:

I would hire him today to replace Kitchens.

i would take him in a heartbeat....even if he would have to rebuild his own way....because his way would be better than what we have now for sure and what we have had for 21 yrs now.....but like ballpeen says...dorsey isn't....although i don't know how he knows this....but dorsey is a piece of shit if he does not consider it...

Tour2ma

@ballpeen said:

You might, but John Dorsey isn't.

Yup...

John chose Freddie over Williams. I can't see him jumping to Rivera.

TexasAg1969

@tour2ma said:

Yup...

John chose Freddie over Williams. I can't see him jumping to Rivera.

But how long does it take to see Freddie is in over his head? As bad as Huey? No. But still just not that good.

mjp28

@texasag1969 said:

But how long does it take to see Freddie is in over his head? As bad as Huey? No. But still just not that good.

Another lost very promising season?

Remember Cleveland was the HOT team to go to after Mayfield lit it up in the 7-8-1 campaign.....will that still be true in 2020?

I'd at least interview Rivera if they haven't talked already..... just sayin'.

SdBacker80

Riverboat Ron.

Defensive coach yes I’d co-sign on that move.

Hes been labeled as “players coach”. I think we need a Coughlin and Mangini type in that regard.

D Bone

@texasag1969 said:

But how long does it take to see Freddie is in over his head? As bad as Huey? No. But still just not that good.

Not very.

browns52

@jrb12711 said:

Rivera is an excellent coach, my gut reaction is to say the same thing. I really wonder (strongly) what this team would look like with a veteran leader like Ron along with Freddie calling the plays.

don't think freddy will be around...don't usually see someone stay on the same team after a demotion....i can't think of any although there might have been one...but i cannot recall it...

Icecube

@tour2ma said:

Yup...

John chose Freddie over Williams. I can't see him jumping to Rivera.

Yea, because ego comes before winning.

hoorta

@texasag1969 said:

But how long does it take to see Freddie is in over his head? As bad as Huey? No. But still just not that good.

It will be "we have to evaluate everything after the season is over". And to date, my grade on Freddie is a "D". We'll see if the Dorse thinks differently.

@icecube said:

Yea, because ego comes before winning.

Not really. Dorsey didn't waste much time shipping out his draft mistakes of Corbett and Callaway. It would be unheard of to axe a new head coach before his first season is over. If he thinks he can do better than Kitchens- I have no doubt he will do so. After the season is over. He can shield Haslam from the quick trigger label by saying "it's my call".

Tour2ma

@icecube said:

Yea, because ego comes before winning.

Dorsey would certainly have to set his ego aside to move on from Freddie after one season. Especially since IIRC he had to sell Haslam on Freddie as the choice.

@hoorta said:

Dorsey didn't waste much time shipping out his draft mistakes of Corbett and Callaway. It would be unheard of to axe a new head coach before his first season is over. If he thinks he can do better than Kitchens- I have no doubt he will do so. After the season is over. He can shield Haslam from the quick trigger label by saying "it's my call".

It's not just Corbett and Callaway, h... there are trades and FA signings that have not panned out.

Firing Freddie after one season would be widely viewed as scapegoating, h... I don't see Dorsey embracing that moniker.

Tour2ma

Fun facts....

In 2019 eight teams made HC changes... that's 1/4 of the league, a pretty typical turnover level.

Six hires were first-time HCs. Not sure, but I'd be surprised if the pendulum ever swung that far away from retreads before.

In addition to Rivera, Jay Gruden is already out there.

Prime candidates to join Ron and Jay include:

Jason Garrett,
Anthony Lynn,
Dan Quinn
Pat Shurmur
Doug Marrone... that's 7...

Doesn't seem like there are as many "Hot" coordinators out there this season, but a lot of that talk is generated during the playoffs.

Feels like 2020 is setting up to be a retread year....

mjp28

@tour2ma said:

Fun facts....

Feels like 2020 is setting up to be a retread year....

I guess that's the new norm in the NFL billionaires owners club and the win now or else mentality.

Every single NFL head coach today was hired after 2000, most since 2010 once Belichick, Payton and those guys leave it will be a long time before you see a coach with 20 years with one team again.

An old quote from Bum Phillips "there's two kinds of coaches, them that's fired and them gonna be fired".

Sad really.

hoorta

@tour2ma said:

Fun facts....

In 2019 eight teams made HC changes... that's 1/4 of the league, a pretty typical turnover level.

Six hires were first-time HCs. Not sure, but I'd be surprised if the pendulum ever swung that far away from retreads before.

In addition to Rivera, Jay Gruden is already out there.

Prime candidates to join Ron and Jay include:

Jason Garrett,

Anthony Lynn,

Dan Quinn

Pat Shur-loss

Doug Marrone... that's 7...

Doesn't seem like there are as many "Hot" coordinators out there this season, but a lot of that talk is generated during the playoffs.

Feels like 2020 is setting up to be a retread year....

FIFY. Pat doesn't have the horses. Jason is done if the Scow-boys don't make the playoffs in the pathetic NFC East. Quinn can put the house up for sale.

At least on the coaching side, it's definitely Not For Long. Win or you're fired. Why I wonder if Feddie will be one and done. He was given plenty of talent- underperformed, and apparently doesn't seem to know how to use it. He gets a mulligan if he loses to the Ravens the second time around, but not losses to the Bengals or Cardinals.

MDDawg

@lodilobo said:

I would hire him today to replace Kitchens.

So would I, even though he's a defensive coach he hired good OC's at the Panthers and had a much better offense than his predecessor John Fox.

ATOM

@icecube said:

Yea, because ego comes before winning.

where in the fuck do you come up with this shit ? espn ? cowherd? seriously wtf are you talking about ?

Icecube

@atom said:

where in the fuck do you come up with this shit ? espn ? cowherd? seriously wtf are you talking about ?

You honestly don't understand the role of ego?

jbluhm86

This thread is kind of an exercise in mental masturbation, because I highly doubt Ron Rivera would even want to come to Cleveland. With Jimmah constantly overriding his FO's and analyst's recommendations and coaches having 1-2 years here before they're shit canned, why would Ron Rivera (or any other talented coach) want to waste their time coming here? The fact is, this team's HC job is pretty toxic at the moment.