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  • mjp28M mjp28

    Answer me this if they finish 6-10 even 7-9 can they justify keeping Freddie as HC ?

    @mjp28 said:

    Answer me this if they finish 6-10 even 7-9 can they justify keeping Freddie as HC ?

    No

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  • Was watching the Eagles/Redskins earlier and the Fox announcers were playing up the fact that Urban was watching the game from Dan Browns box. They even had a graphic of the Redskin coaches records. While I don't believe Urban will coach anytime soon. What are the thoughts of him being a Brown?

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  • mjp28M mjp28

    Answer me this if they finish 6-10 even 7-9 can they justify keeping Freddie as HC ?

    @mjp28 said:

    Answer me this if they finish 6-10 even 7-9 can they justify keeping Freddie as HC ?

    the last i looked, this team is still owned by the Haslams..not Dorsey nor Baker can save Gomer's Pyle's ? at this point... 

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  • dustyD dusty

    Was watching the Eagles/Redskins earlier and the Fox announcers were playing up the fact that Urban was watching the game from Dan Browns box. They even had a graphic of the Redskin coaches records. While I don't believe Urban will coach anytime soon. What are the thoughts of him being a Brown?

    @dusty said:

    Was watching the Eagles/Redskins earlier and the Fox announcers were playing up the fact that Urban was watching the game from Dan Browns box. They even had a graphic of the Redskin coaches records. While I don't believe Urban will coach anytime soon. What are the thoughts of him being a Brown?

    He's automatically better than this fatass!

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  • The bandwag...er haywagon has tipped over on freddie...

    Kitchens is sinking this ship...

  • Ok it’s time to make a coaching change.  I am very very against making a change just after one year or even two, but Fred’s has got to go.  When a coach takes over a team it is expected to be a little bumpy.  Even if it is bumpy you are supposed to see improvement.  They is no improvement.  Baker has regressed, he keeps throwing the ball high or behind causing tips and ints.  And with the d yeah there are injuries and they have held there own a little but minus Myles they are a mess.  That’s all coaching. Yes they have been screwed by the nfl to many times to count, but the fact of the matter is no improvement.  Fred’s got to go. 

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  • Baker got figured out from last year...he is too short and has to overthrow because he cant see...flash in the pan...great at commercials tho??

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  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    Baker got figured out from last year...he is too short and has to overthrow because he cant see...flash in the pan...great at commercials tho??

    @kvoethe said:

    Baker got figured out from last year...he is too short and has to overthrow because he cant see...flash in the pan...great at commercials tho??

    He is not to short that’s silly He is as tall as bres and Wilson that’s not the issue.  One is the time the line gives him they have been terrible all year In pass protection and they are running a Gimmick style offense that doesn’t work.  They biggest thing with the o is not down field attack. 

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  • B Babernakle

    @kvoethe said:

    Baker got figured out from last year...he is too short and has to overthrow because he cant see...flash in the pan...great at commercials tho??

    He is not to short that’s silly He is as tall as bres and Wilson that’s not the issue.  One is the time the line gives him they have been terrible all year In pass protection and they are running a Gimmick style offense that doesn’t work.  They biggest thing with the o is not down field attack. 

    @babernakle said:

    He is not to short that’s silly He is as tall as bres and Wilson that’s not the issue. 

    Unfortunately there are more than plenty of examples to demonstrate that Bakers height does work against him at times.  I've even noted it in the previous Browns v Bengals thread while piggybacking of a well respected NFL youtube analyst.      Breesy and Wilson have their own issues with height at times but adaptation, proper coaching, more intelligently designed offenses and the like have helped them to over come that deficit. 

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  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @babernakle said:

    He is not to short that’s silly He is as tall as bres and Wilson that’s not the issue. 

    Unfortunately there are more than plenty of examples to demonstrate that Bakers height does work against him at times.  I've even noted it in the previous Browns v Bengals thread while piggybacking of a well respected NFL youtube analyst.      Breesy and Wilson have their own issues with height at times but adaptation, proper coaching, more intelligently designed offenses and the like have helped them to over come that deficit. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    Unfortunately there are more than plenty of examples to demonstrate that Bakers height does work against him at times.  I've even noted it in the previous Browns v Bengals thread while piggybacking of a well respected NFL youtube analyst.      Breesy and Wilson have their own issues with height at times but adaptation, proper coaching, more intelligently designed offenses and the like have helped them to over come that deficit. 

    Yes coaching he has not improved 

  • Blame can go in both directions.

    It's been shown that the coaches have not put Baker in the best position to be successful throughout this entire season, and it's been shown that Baker at this point of his career is a somewhat limited QB. 

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @tour2ma said:

    And anyone who thinks Freddie is "Safe" at this point is fooling themselves. He will get a mulligan if they get blown out by the Ratbirds next week, but lose to the Bungles week 17, you're one and done.....   

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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @tour2ma said:

    And anyone who thinks Freddie is "Safe" at this point is fooling themselves. He will get a mulligan if they get blown out by the Ratbirds next week, but lose to the Bungles week 17, you're one and done.....   

    @hoorta said:

    And anyone who thinks Freddie is "Safe" at this point is fooling themselves. He will get a mulligan if they get blown out by the Ratbirds next week, but lose to the Bungles week 17, you're one and done.....   

    You could be very right. 

  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    Baker got figured out from last year...he is too short and has to overthrow because he cant see...flash in the pan...great at commercials tho??

    @kvoethe said:

    .he is too short and has to overthrow

    I don't know about too short.....but I've felt the same way, that he has to go up high with his throws so it clears the trees in front of him.

    As to this thread theme,  What did Freddy do today to add to the Fire Him side of the ledger?  (...and I don't mean, what did the payers do wrong?)

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  • B Babernakle

    @kvoethe said:

    Baker got figured out from last year...he is too short and has to overthrow because he cant see...flash in the pan...great at commercials tho??

    He is not to short that’s silly He is as tall as bres and Wilson that’s not the issue.  One is the time the line gives him they have been terrible all year In pass protection and they are running a Gimmick style offense that doesn’t work.  They biggest thing with the o is not down field attack. 

    @babernakle said:

    He is not to short that’s silly He is as tall as bres and Wilson that’s not the issue.  One is the time the line gives him they have been terrible all year In pass protection and they are running a Gimmick style offense that doesn’t work.  They biggest thing with the o is not down field attack. 

    He doesn’t move around the pocket This Season like Brees and Wilson.  He’s regressed here actually 
     

    there is hope because he was better at it last year.  
     

    His success moving forward will depend largely upon mechanics and scheme.  

  • If I was a dc i would be worried about how to deal with chubb and hunt...but i wouldnt have to worry...staff doesnt use em to their advantage.

  • It's time to fire the entire coaching staff...again. This time, bring in an experienced HC ( Rivera ). Baker needs to be pushed....we need to sign another qb, and make Mayfield compete for the starting qb position. He got lazy in the off season, living off his moderate success from 2018. He's lost his fire, and needs to earn his role again.

  • And where is Higgins and Njoku?  Are they busts, problems in the locker room? 

  • BrownsKiddB BrownsKidd

    And where is Higgins and Njoku?  Are they busts, problems in the locker room? 

    @brownskidd said:

    And where is Higgins and Njoku?  Are they busts, problems in the locker room? 

    Something has happened regarding both, I'm guessing they are being used as examples, but of what I have no idea. Complete mystery. 

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