Browns to interview McCarthy
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That is your rule then. As a quick search will generate NFL CHAMPION.
But it's ok for you to change up the rules to fit your agenda.
Again, since you want to continue to argue this, go back to my original post and show me one thing that I was incorrect about? Don Shula IS recognized as the NFL CHAMPION that year. Nobody ever said SB, Ultimate champion, won last game, etc. And since there was no AFC/NFC there is no way to say that is what the Colts won. In Hindsight yes that is what the equivalent would appear to be, but the Colts went down as NFL CHAMPIONS
That is your rule then. As a quick search will generate NFL CHAMPION.
But it's ok for you to change up the rules to fit your agenda.
Again, since you want to continue to argue this, go back to my original post and show me one thing that I was incorrect about? Don Shula IS recognized as the NFL CHAMPION that year. Nobody ever said SB, Ultimate champion, won last game, etc. And since there was no AFC/NFC there is no way to say that is what the Colts won. In Hindsight yes that is what the equivalent would appear to be, but the Colts went down as NFL CHAMPIONS
No one recognizes that has a championship. He lost. He lost the Super Bowl. So you gonna tell me the Minnesota Vikings want to championship and that the Raiders and the Chiefs won the championships only despite the fact they got pounded by the Packers in the supers two Super Bowl‘s. In that way you’re thinking every Super Bowl loser is a champion
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Stupid. How could anyone be anything with Freddie kitchens as their coach.
You can keep thinking that Kitchens was completely to blame for Mayfield regressing this season, but you'd be wrong.
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Stupid. How could anyone be anything with Freddie kitchens as their coach.
You can keep thinking that Kitchens was completely to blame for Mayfield regressing this season, but you'd be wrong.
You can keep thinking that Kitchens was completely to blame for Mayfield regressing this season, but you'd be wrong.
98%
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That is your rule then. As a quick search will generate NFL CHAMPION.
But it's ok for you to change up the rules to fit your agenda.
Again, since you want to continue to argue this, go back to my original post and show me one thing that I was incorrect about? Don Shula IS recognized as the NFL CHAMPION that year. Nobody ever said SB, Ultimate champion, won last game, etc. And since there was no AFC/NFC there is no way to say that is what the Colts won. In Hindsight yes that is what the equivalent would appear to be, but the Colts went down as NFL CHAMPIONS
No one recognizes that has a championship. He lost. He lost the Super Bowl. So you gonna tell me the Minnesota Vikings want to championship and that the Raiders and the Chiefs won the championships only despite the fact they got pounded by the Packers in the supers two Super Bowl‘s. In that way you’re thinking every Super Bowl loser is a champion
No one recognizes that has a championship. He lost. He lost the Super Bowl. So you gonna tell me the Minnesota Vikings want to championship and that the Raiders and the Chiefs won the championships only despite the fact they got pounded by the Packers in the supers two Super Bowl‘s. In that way you’re thinking every Super Bowl loser is a champion
I'm not going to post anymore on the topic pal. Think whatever it is you want. All you have to do to see how history records them is do a quick search on NFL champions.
The last I will say is that you have tried different things to prove your point, which NOBODY disagreed with. You keep bringing up SB, Ultimate game, lost last game, AFC/NFC etc. Things that NOBODY said. All I asked was show me one thing that I posted that was incorrect, yet all you are doing is bringing up the same thing that nobody is contradicting.
There is NO grey area in the record books. The Colts were, are, and will always be the 1968 NFL CHAMPIONS.
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I’m fine with Mike. I’m so weary to this process that the only thing I want for sure is a coach who’s done this shit for a while at least at a coordinator level. I’m glad real a guy like Rhule didn’t want to interview. He may be the next great guy, but the Browns don’t need that.
We need someone who can come in and knows how to set the tone. Mike easily could do that.
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Stupid. How could anyone be anything with Freddie kitchens as their coach.
You can keep thinking that Kitchens was completely to blame for Mayfield regressing this season, but you'd be wrong.
You can keep thinking that Kitchens was completely to blame for Mayfield regressing this season, but you'd be wrong.
Kitchens was mostly to blame by designing poor gameplans and lack of attention to detail, Dorsey as well by blacklisting Higgins, cutting Fells, trading Zeitler and firing Zampese. Baker admits he didn't train hard in the offseason but that reflects on the culture Dorsey set in the building where he crowned Baker's a** before he'd really achieved anything.
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No one recognizes that has a championship. He lost. He lost the Super Bowl. So you gonna tell me the Minnesota Vikings want to championship and that the Raiders and the Chiefs won the championships only despite the fact they got pounded by the Packers in the supers two Super Bowl‘s. In that way you’re thinking every Super Bowl loser is a champion
I'm not going to post anymore on the topic pal. Think whatever it is you want. All you have to do to see how history records them is do a quick search on NFL champions.
The last I will say is that you have tried different things to prove your point, which NOBODY disagreed with. You keep bringing up SB, Ultimate game, lost last game, AFC/NFC etc. Things that NOBODY said. All I asked was show me one thing that I posted that was incorrect, yet all you are doing is bringing up the same thing that nobody is contradicting.
There is NO grey area in the record books. The Colts were, are, and will always be the 1968 NFL CHAMPIONS.
I'm not going to post anymore on the topic pal. Think whatever it is you want. All you have to do to see how history records them is do a quick search on NFL champions.
The last I will say is that you have tried different things to prove your point, which NOBODY disagreed with. You keep bringing up SB, Ultimate game, lost last game, AFC/NFC etc. Things that NOBODY said. All I asked was show me one thing that I posted that was incorrect, yet all you are doing is bringing up the same thing that nobody is contradicting.
There is NO grey area in the record books. The Colts were, are, and will always be the 1968 NFL CHAMPIONS.
No grey area in the record books. Colts were 1968 NFL champions and they are no more than the 51 Super Bowl other Super Bowl losers since then. NFC/AFC champions. Or even any more than say last year the Ravens were the AFC North Champions.
Maybe you also want to call all the "Division Championship" winners"Champions since then as well. They do call them Champions.
The better question is: Why do we call any team that did not win the Super Bowl "Champions" if they have simply won their won a step on the way to the right to get the "ultimate" championship game? Division champions? We need better terminology.
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You can keep thinking that Kitchens was completely to blame for Mayfield regressing this season, but you'd be wrong.
Kitchens was mostly to blame by designing poor gameplans and lack of attention to detail, Dorsey as well by blacklisting Higgins, cutting Fells, trading Zeitler and firing Zampese. Baker admits he didn't train hard in the offseason but that reflects on the culture Dorsey set in the building where he crowned Baker's a** before he'd really achieved anything.
Kitchens was mostly to blame by designing poor gameplans and lack of attention to detail, Dorsey as well by blacklisting Higgins, cutting Fells, trading Zeitler and firing Zampese. Baker admits he didn't train hard in the offseason but that reflects on the culture Dorsey set in the building where he crowned Baker's a** before he'd really achieved anything.
You (hell all of us Browns fans) better hope you are right.
Because if you are not, Baker Mayfield was vastly overrated.
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Kitchens was mostly to blame by designing poor gameplans and lack of attention to detail, Dorsey as well by blacklisting Higgins, cutting Fells, trading Zeitler and firing Zampese. Baker admits he didn't train hard in the offseason but that reflects on the culture Dorsey set in the building where he crowned Baker's a** before he'd really achieved anything.
You (hell all of us Browns fans) better hope you are right.
Because if you are not, Baker Mayfield was vastly overrated.
You (hell all of us Browns fans) better hope you are right.
Because if you are not, Baker Mayfield was vastly overrated.
Admittedly my doubts were creeping in about Baker this season but when I read about how Bienimy prepares Mahomes for games ( I linked it in the HC/GM thread) which obviously lacked here I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Not endorsing Bienimy but I want someone like him who pays attention to detail and coaches his players hard.
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I’m fine with Mike. I’m so weary to this process that the only thing I want for sure is a coach who’s done this shit for a while at least at a coordinator level. I’m glad real a guy like Rhule didn’t want to interview. He may be the next great guy, but the Browns don’t need that.
We need someone who can come in and knows how to set the tone. Mike easily could do that.
I’m fine with Mike. I’m so weary to this process that the only thing I want for sure is a coach who’s done this shit for a while at least at a coordinator level. I’m glad real a guy like Rhule didn’t want to interview. He may be the next great guy, but the Browns don’t need that.
We need someone who can come in and knows how to set the tone. Mike easily could do that.
Looks like he will "easily do it" in Dallas.
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You (hell all of us Browns fans) better hope you are right.
Because if you are not, Baker Mayfield was vastly overrated.
Admittedly my doubts were creeping in about Baker this season but when I read about how Bienimy prepares Mahomes for games ( I linked it in the HC/GM thread) which obviously lacked here I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Not endorsing Bienimy but I want someone like him who pays attention to detail and coaches his players hard.
Admittedly my doubts were creeping in about Baker this season but when I read about how Bienimy prepares Mahomes for games ( I linked it in the HC/GM thread) which obviously lacked here I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Not endorsing Bienimy but I want someone like him who pays attention to detail and coaches his players hard.
Did you read about how Eric studies every play in so much detail that he knows every player's role for every play? He said he does this so he doesn't let anyone down. Freddie did nothing along the sort. Browns mirrored Freddie - loosey goosey, sloppy, ghastly short on attention to detail. A complete joke. As the season went along, it became painfully obvious just how sloppy FK was.
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I'm not going to post anymore on the topic pal. Think whatever it is you want. All you have to do to see how history records them is do a quick search on NFL champions.
The last I will say is that you have tried different things to prove your point, which NOBODY disagreed with. You keep bringing up SB, Ultimate game, lost last game, AFC/NFC etc. Things that NOBODY said. All I asked was show me one thing that I posted that was incorrect, yet all you are doing is bringing up the same thing that nobody is contradicting.
There is NO grey area in the record books. The Colts were, are, and will always be the 1968 NFL CHAMPIONS.
No grey area in the record books. Colts were 1968 NFL champions and they are no more than the 51 Super Bowl other Super Bowl losers since then. NFC/AFC champions. Or even any more than say last year the Ravens were the AFC North Champions.
Maybe you also want to call all the "Division Championship" winners"Champions since then as well. They do call them Champions.
The better question is: Why do we call any team that did not win the Super Bowl "Champions" if they have simply won their won a step on the way to the right to get the "ultimate" championship game? Division champions? We need better terminology.
No grey area in the record books. Colts were 1968 NFL champions and they are no more than the 51 Super Bowl other Super Bowl losers since then. NFC/AFC champions. Or even any more than say last year the Ravens were the AFC North Champions.
Maybe you also want to call all the "Division Championship" winners"Champions since then as well. They do call them Champions.
The better question is: Why do we call any team that did not win the Super Bowl "Champions" if they have simply won their won a step on the way to the right to get the "ultimate" championship game? Division champions? We need better terminology.
Again, nobody ever claimed they were SB or Ultimate champion.
And by your logic there, Browns have ZERO championships since they didn't win a SUPER BOWL.
Everyone here knows that if it were this team that did what the Colts did then you would have a different opinion.
So you can keep rambling on and on to hear yourself, get your post count up, whatever you want, I am done with this one. As all you are doing is saying the exact same thing over and over and not saying a single word that anyone has disagreed with here. You just keep saying these bigger championship games when I nor anyone ever said they won them.
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No grey area in the record books. Colts were 1968 NFL champions and they are no more than the 51 Super Bowl other Super Bowl losers since then. NFC/AFC champions. Or even any more than say last year the Ravens were the AFC North Champions.
Maybe you also want to call all the "Division Championship" winners"Champions since then as well. They do call them Champions.
The better question is: Why do we call any team that did not win the Super Bowl "Champions" if they have simply won their won a step on the way to the right to get the "ultimate" championship game? Division champions? We need better terminology.
Again, nobody ever claimed they were SB or Ultimate champion.
And by your logic there, Browns have ZERO championships since they didn't win a SUPER BOWL.
Everyone here knows that if it were this team that did what the Colts did then you would have a different opinion.
So you can keep rambling on and on to hear yourself, get your post count up, whatever you want, I am done with this one. As all you are doing is saying the exact same thing over and over and not saying a single word that anyone has disagreed with here. You just keep saying these bigger championship games when I nor anyone ever said they won them.
Again, nobody ever claimed they were SB or Ultimate champion.
And by your logic there, Browns have ZERO championships since they didn't win a SUPER BOWL.
Not by my logic, no sir: my logic says that a team has to win their last game to be champions.
Everyone here knows that if it were this team that did what the Colts did then you would have a different opinion.
Nope, sure wouldn't. It has happened, and my criteria has not changed. You can't lose a championship game and be a champion.
So you can keep rambling on and on to hear yourself, get your post count up, whatever you want,
I care about neither of those.....but I do care about the facts. And the fact is: the Colts lost. The Chiefs in '66, the Raiders in '67, the Colts in '68, the Vikings in '69 do not get to claim a championship beyond what the SB loser gets to claim today....that they won a "Conference".
I am done with this one. As all you are doing is saying the exact same thing over and over and not saying a single word that anyone has disagreed with here. You just keep saying these bigger championship games when I nor anyone ever said they won them.
Sorry if the truth makes you constipated. How Trumpian of you.
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Can’t recall what happened to McCarthy in Green Bay , it seems maybe the team quit on him. Does anyone else recall what happened??
Him and Rodgers couldn't get along supposedly.... His last two seasons were less than stellar. As Tour pointed out- they went from 6-9 to 13-3 this year- essentially same team, without McCarthy. Something to consider. I'm totally ambivalent on hiring him.
As I've been saying- you bring in Mike, you have to accept the whole package of assistant coaches he's already recruited.
Him and Rodgers couldn't get along supposedly.... His last two seasons were less than stellar. As Tour pointed out- they went from 6-9 to 13-3 this year- essentially same team, without McCarthy. Something to consider. I'm totally ambivalent on hiring him.
As I've been saying- you bring in Mike, you have to accept the whole package of assistant coaches he's already recruited.
The last point you make Larry has me wondering how much better off we would be waiting 3-4 more weeks just to hire another Coordinator from a competent ownership/FO/HC and talented playoff team not ready for the culture shock of the shitttt at the top of this organization. We've witnessed countless Coordinators coming from way better ownerships that underestimated the culture shock of the horrible ownership here. Salt to wound, if you hire somebody too late - the challenge becomes finding the guy's first choice of assistant coaches that are still available. IMO, this is the part I think McCarthy has an advantage over others in terms of getting the help he wants that is well acquainted and experienced with his system (that worked well a large percentage of the time his QBs weren't on IR with an injured and surgically repaired collar bone). He also trained and developed Aaron Rodgers to achieve multiple Pro Bowl honors aside from all the post seasons and 1 SB Championship they won together.
Dan Marino didn't win ANY Superbowls with Don Shula and Jimmy Johnson as his HCs over a combined longer period of time than Aaron Rodgers has played. That doesn't have to mean Jimmy Johnson and Don Shula weren't any good.
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Again, nobody ever claimed they were SB or Ultimate champion.
And by your logic there, Browns have ZERO championships since they didn't win a SUPER BOWL.
Not by my logic, no sir: my logic says that a team has to win their last game to be champions.
Everyone here knows that if it were this team that did what the Colts did then you would have a different opinion.
Nope, sure wouldn't. It has happened, and my criteria has not changed. You can't lose a championship game and be a champion.
So you can keep rambling on and on to hear yourself, get your post count up, whatever you want,
I care about neither of those.....but I do care about the facts. And the fact is: the Colts lost. The Chiefs in '66, the Raiders in '67, the Colts in '68, the Vikings in '69 do not get to claim a championship beyond what the SB loser gets to claim today....that they won a "Conference".
I am done with this one. As all you are doing is saying the exact same thing over and over and not saying a single word that anyone has disagreed with here. You just keep saying these bigger championship games when I nor anyone ever said they won them.
Sorry if the truth makes you constipated. How Trumpian of you.
So anywhere you look says Don Shula won 2 Super Bowls and an NFL Championship in '68 but you know better?
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So anywhere you look says Don Shula won 2 Super Bowls and an NFL Championship in '68 but you know better?
So anywhere you look says Don Shula won 2 Super Bowls and an NFL Championship in '68 but you know better?
His team lost to the Jets in the Super Bowl. Do you consider the loser of the NFL-AFL Championship game....which is what it was called at the time, (the name Super Bowl was not created yet) the Champion? He lost the 1964 Championship game to the Browns. So why not just give him a championship there to. Those "league championship games" were tantamount to the NFC/AFC championship games we have had for 50 years now. Nothing more. Here from the same source that Gunz used (note...this list only looks at NFL titles...not at AAFC or AFL titles)
Appearances/Top 2 Finishes Franchise Wins Losses/Runner-Ups Win % Seasons 22 New York Giants 8 14 .364 1927, 1929, 1930, 1933, 1934, 1935, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1944, 1946, 1956, 1958, 1959, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1986,1990, 2000, 2007, 2011 19 Chicago Bears 9 10 .474 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1926, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1937, 1940, 1941, 1942, 1943, 1946, 1956, 1963, 1985, 2006 18 Green Bay Packers 13 5 .722 1927, 1929, 1930, 1931, 1932, 1936, 1938, 1939, 1944, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1996, 1997, 2010 11 New England Patriots 6 5 .545 1985, 1996, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2011, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018 11 Washington Redskins 5 6 .455 1936, 1937, 1940, 1942, 1943, 1945, 1972, 1982, 1983, 1987, 1991 9 Cleveland Browns 4 5 .444 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1964, 1965 9 Cleveland/St. Louis/Los Angeles Rams 3 6 .333 1945, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1955, 1979, 1999, 2001, 2018 8 Pittsburgh Steelers 6 2 .750 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979, 1995, 2005, 2008, 2010 8 Dallas Cowboys 5 3 .625 1970, 1971, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1992, 1993, 1995 8 Denver Broncos 3 5 .375 1977, 1986, 1987, 1989, 1997, 1998, 2013, 2015 7 Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts 4 3 .571 1958, 1959, 1964, 1968, 1970, 2006, 2009 7 Philadelphia Eagles 4 3 .571 1947, 1948, 1949, 1960, 1980, 2004, 2017 6 San Francisco 49ers 5 1 .833 1981, 1984, 1988, 1989, 1994, 2012 6 Detroit Lions 4 2 .667 1931, 1935, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1957 5 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders 3 2 .600 1967, 1976, 1980, 1983, 2002 5 Miami Dolphins 2 3 .400 1971, 1972, 1973, 1982, 1984 4 Chicago/Arizona Cardinals 2 2 .500 1925, 1947, 1948, 2008 4 Minnesota Vikings 0 4 .000 1969, 1973, 1974, 1976 4 Buffalo Bills 0 4 .000 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993 3 Seattle Seahawks 1 2 .333 2005, 2013, 2014 2 Canton Bulldogs 2 0 1.000 1922, 1923 2 Baltimore Ravens 2 0 1.000 2000, 2012 2 Frankford Yellow Jackets 1 1 .500 1926, 1928 2 Kansas City Chiefs 1 1 .500 1966, 1969 2 Cincinnati Bengals 0 2 .000 1981, 1988 2 Carolina Panthers 0 2 .000 2003, 2015 2 Atlanta Falcons 0 2 .000 1998, 2016 1 Akron Pros 1 0 1.000 1920 1 Cleveland Bulldogs 1 0 1.000 1924 1 Providence Steam Rollers 1 0 1.000 1928 1 New York Jets 1 0 1.000 1968 1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 0 1.000 2002 1 New Orleans Saints 1 0 1.000 2009 1 Buffalo All-Americans 0 1 .000 1921 1 Pottsville Maroons 0 1 .000 1925 1 San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers 0 1 .000 1994 1 Tennessee Titans 0 1 .000 1999 0 Jacksonville Jaguars 0 0 — 0 NOTICE that the Colts are credited ONLY for a loss, making them the Runnerup in 1968
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The Browns approach to finding a HC has always been throw something at the wall and see what sticks except NOTHING EVER STICKS. Just look at the list of candidates Eric Bienimy, Greg Roman, Robert Saleh, all the same see what sticks type of candidates.
Not saying one of these guys can't be an instant phenom, but the odds are HIGHLY unlikely. McCarthy can bring stability, which is the first step of changing the culture. If they gave Hueless two years, they would have to give McCarthy at least three years minimum.
The Browns approach to finding a HC has always been throw something at the wall and see what sticks except NOTHING EVER STICKS. Just look at the list of candidates Eric Bienimy, Greg Roman, Robert Saleh, all the same see what sticks type of candidates.
Not saying one of these guys can't be an instant phenom, but the odds are HIGHLY unlikely. McCarthy can bring stability, which is the first step of changing the culture. If they gave Hueless two years, they would have to give McCarthy at least three years minimum.
How HIGHLY? First time HCs seem to have had a pretty good run lately.
As for the Coordinators we are interviewing... they may enter the process with a fair degree of homogeneity, but they are going to emerge as ranked, individual candidates... each with particular strengths and weaknesses.
You know, it really doesn't matter what I or anybody thinks ...
Always the last stop in a retreat from a losing argument.
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