SB thoughts?
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This was trending Chiefs when the 9ers couldn't run effectively. I was surprised by the Chiefs D- especially the front 7.
And on the other side, I thought Bosa pressured and collapsed well but Mahomes was able to leak out and make plays- the rest of the 9er front 7 seemed a little off and not able to create plays and make tackles.
Coaching - I thought Andy Reid called a GREAT GAME, he was aggressive, creative and kept the 9ers defense guessing.
Refs- the PI on Kittle was garbage happens every play- I know OBJ got a few of those this season as well.
Refs- the PI on Kittle was garbage happens every play- I know OBJ got a few of those this season as well.
As an impartial viewer, it was a good call. Without the full arm extension, he doesn't get the final separation to make the catch.... You know, offensive PI.
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wtf was kyle thinking at the end of half call a damn time out man,but then again i am glad he didnt cause hell ya I bet the half would end in a tie Did I Say HELL YA
wtf was kyle thinking at the end of half call a damn time out man,but then again i am glad he didnt cause hell ya I bet the half would end in a tie Did I Say HELL YA
I was OK with it. He was obviously content with a tie game and being able to make his 1/2 time adjustments knowing he got the ball 1st to start the last 1/2 of a 0-0 game. That being said, calling a TO and being aggressive would've been fine with me too.
"If it works, you're a genius - If it doesn't, you're an idiot".
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Really good game. The refs were fairly invisible, no glaring coaching mistakes and hard play by both teams. Probably my favorite SB in recent memory.
Really good game. The refs were fairly invisible, no glaring coaching mistakes and hard play by both teams. Probably my favorite SB in recent memory.
I felt that was definitely OPI- extended arm to get separation. and I feel Shanny wasted around 90 seconds of the first half not using his time outs. Reid was being the aggressor going for it on 4th down. That was conservative coach think by Shanahan.
Choke. Job.
Also, Chiefs Oline had a pretty good amount of freedom last night with their hands.
Was it just me, but was the Chief's o-line getting destroyed? Was rooting for the Chiefs, now our ex-Browns Reiter, Schwartz, and Erving! (you kidding me?) get rings.
Tour isn't going like me saying it, but Sashi totally blew it dealing with Schwartz.
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Really good game. The refs were fairly invisible, no glaring coaching mistakes and hard play by both teams. Probably my favorite SB in recent memory.
I felt that was definitely OPI- extended arm to get separation. and I feel Shanny wasted around 90 seconds of the first half not using his time outs. Reid was being the aggressor going for it on 4th down. That was conservative coach think by Shanahan.
Choke. Job.
Also, Chiefs Oline had a pretty good amount of freedom last night with their hands.
Was it just me, but was the Chief's o-line getting destroyed? Was rooting for the Chiefs, now our ex-Browns Reiter, Schwartz, and Erving! (you kidding me?) get rings.
Tour isn't going like me saying it, but Sashi totally blew it dealing with Schwartz.
I felt that was definitely OPI- extended arm to get separation. and I feel Shanny wasted around 90 seconds of the first half not using his time outs. Reid was being the aggressor going for it on 4th down. That was conservative coach think by Shanahan.
Was it just me, but was the Chief's o-line getting destroyed? Was rooting for the Chiefs, now our ex-Browns Reiter, Schwartz, and Erving! (you kidding me?) get rings.
Tour isn't going like me saying it, but Sashi totally blew it dealing with Schwartz.
That would be because the Chiefs Oline was getting handled when Mahomes had to straight drop and push the ball downfield.
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Really good game. The refs were fairly invisible, no glaring coaching mistakes and hard play by both teams. Probably my favorite SB in recent memory.
I felt that was definitely OPI- extended arm to get separation. and I feel Shanny wasted around 90 seconds of the first half not using his time outs. Reid was being the aggressor going for it on 4th down. That was conservative coach think by Shanahan.
Choke. Job.
Also, Chiefs Oline had a pretty good amount of freedom last night with their hands.
Was it just me, but was the Chief's o-line getting destroyed? Was rooting for the Chiefs, now our ex-Browns Reiter, Schwartz, and Erving! (you kidding me?) get rings.
Tour isn't going like me saying it, but Sashi totally blew it dealing with Schwartz.
Was it just me, but was the Chief's o-line getting destroyed? Was rooting for the Chiefs, now our ex-Browns Reiter, Schwartz, and Erving! (you kidding me?) get rings.
Tour isn't going like me saying it, but Sashi totally blew it dealing with Schwartz.
Nope - the Chief's oline was getting overrun - the niners outstanding defensive line kept controlling the los, ...
until the Chiefs adapted in the second half, and started getting the ball out quicker - on shorter throws. I think the Chiefs had their wr's and Kelce to start winging it into open zone areas, and gave up running standard routes - the niners kept nailing them on those. Kelce/Watkins/Hill started spinning/reversing to get open. Just what I think.
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Really good game. The refs were fairly invisible, no glaring coaching mistakes and hard play by both teams. Probably my favorite SB in recent memory.
I felt that was definitely OPI- extended arm to get separation. and I feel Shanny wasted around 90 seconds of the first half not using his time outs. Reid was being the aggressor going for it on 4th down. That was conservative coach think by Shanahan.
Choke. Job.
Also, Chiefs Oline had a pretty good amount of freedom last night with their hands.
Was it just me, but was the Chief's o-line getting destroyed? Was rooting for the Chiefs, now our ex-Browns Reiter, Schwartz, and Erving! (you kidding me?) get rings.
Tour isn't going like me saying it, but Sashi totally blew it dealing with Schwartz.
Tour isn't going like me saying it, but Sashi totally blew it dealing with Schwartz.
Au contraire, mon h...
The criticism of Sashi I endorse is the one about him having to win every deal. Pulling the offer to Mitch was one example. While I understood his reasoning, Mitch was the wrong talent with which to make the point.
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Was it just me, but was the Chief's o-line getting destroyed? Was rooting for the Chiefs, now our ex-Browns Reiter, Schwartz, and Erving! (you kidding me?) get rings.
Tour isn't going like me saying it, but Sashi totally blew it dealing with Schwartz.
Nope - the Chief's oline was getting overrun - the niners outstanding defensive line kept controlling the los, ...
until the Chiefs adapted in the second half, and started getting the ball out quicker - on shorter throws. I think the Chiefs had their wr's and Kelce to start winging it into open zone areas, and gave up running standard routes - the niners kept nailing them on those. Kelce/Watkins/Hill started spinning/reversing to get open. Just what I think.
Nope - the Chief's oline was getting overrun
Yup... I would estimate the yards Mahomes gained in designed runs at zero. Kid was running for his life for most of the game. Late tho he was only having to slide/step up in the pocket to gain time. While SF was never "gassed", they did tire.
I will say that the kid takes a shot better than I'd have guessed. Ward and Tartt both smacked him good... still shaking my head, however, at Bosa laying off him that 2nd option-play KC ran. And IIRC that was the last option run Andy called... I think he was shaking his head as well.
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Really good game. The refs were fairly invisible, no glaring coaching mistakes and hard play by both teams. Probably my favorite SB in recent memory.
Really good game. The refs were fairly invisible, no glaring coaching mistakes and hard play by both teams. Probably my favorite SB in recent memory.
I was surprised how little impact the Refs had on the game...However.. that one touchdown where the players foot looked suspect should've not been called a TD
Best individual officials the NFL has... as based upon their accumulative 2020 grades... should collectively call a great game.
TD call was very, very close, but in the one freeze frame they showed that was frozen when his toe hit the sideline chalk the ball had just broken the plane of the goal line.
As an impartial viewer, it was a good call. Without the full arm extension, he doesn't get the final separation to make the catch.... You know, offensive PI.
Agree the call was a good one, but I don't think it was necessary. Kittle had spec enough that with his size advantage he should have had no issue elevating to high point the ball... and he might not have even had to do that... the throw was that good.
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I remarked in another thread that respecting the play action of a great running team is very different than facing the play action game of a team that can run the ball so-so, but only tends to do so late game or situationally (being kind about it) As a defense your aggressiveness, especially early down, will change. How you anticipate and process your keys will change. And how quickly you'll be to attack a run fit will change. I also remarked that, in games such as playoffs or in last night's case the Super Bowl, you're going to find coaches with gameplans to have their 7 attacking gaps to get upfield, making pass rush the primary and to play their run fits a bit more 'passive' (for lack of a better word). I found the very evidence to my comments watching some highlights between the Chiefs and Niners. Both the same down and distance, no less.
Example A: The Chiefs and their well below average running game. Please observe depth and downhill aggressiveness of the backers and secondary.
PRE-SNAP
POST-SNAP
The Niners 2nd level never even so much as blinked when considering their run fits. Not a single downstep sucking up the backers into the lanes and wash. The ball was still completed, but a big part of that was KC going max pro. Now for the KC defense on 1st and 10.
PRE-SNAP
POST - SNAP
You'll see how hard the the backers downstep and look laterally while at the same time, you seen Sorenson at safety already 3 yards forward as well. Check the backside edge defender unblocked (#92) and where his eyes are. Why were more deep shots not dialed up...? I couldn't tell you. It's almost like after the Kittle OPI they went full turtle with the deep ball.
Look at how hard this action was sold and how cleanly this defense bit on it though. Because when you're facing a GREAT rushing attack, that's what you HAVE to do.
Why San Fran got away from this formula for half their drives is beyond me. Even worse, watching some of the potential throws to Kittle and the opportunities missed by both the Niners coaches and Jimmy Garropalo will haunt them for quite a while. The Chiefs had no real answer to dealing with the inline TE's and backfield receivers from the Niners. It just seems like young Shanny played into the hands of the KC defense half the time and the other half the light-bulb seemingly came on. I just feel this could have, more than likely should have, been a 14 point Niner win had their coaches kept with the leading formula.
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Really good game. The refs were fairly invisible, no glaring coaching mistakes and hard play by both teams. Probably my favorite SB in recent memory.
I was surprised how little impact the Refs had on the game...However.. that one touchdown where the players foot looked suspect should've not been called a TD
Best individual officials the NFL has... as based upon their accumulative 2020 grades... should collectively call a great game.
TD call was very, very close, but in the one freeze frame they showed that was frozen when his toe hit the sideline chalk the ball had just broken the plane of the goal line.
As an impartial viewer, it was a good call. Without the full arm extension, he doesn't get the final separation to make the catch.... You know, offensive PI.
Agree the call was a good one, but I don't think it was necessary. Kittle had spec enough that with his size advantage he should have had no issue elevating to high point the ball... and he might not have even had to do that... the throw was that good.
Best individual officials the NFL has... as based upon their accumulative 2020 grades... should collectively call a great game.
TD call was very, very close, but in the one freeze frame they showed that was frozen when his toe hit the sideline chalk the ball had just broken the plane of the goal line.
Agree the call was a good one, but I don't think it was necessary. Kittle had spec enough that with his size advantage he should have had no issue elevating to high point the ball... and he might not have even had to do that... the throw was that good.
I agree it was close.. I guess it would've been ok either way.. You could make a case for both sides....
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That's exactly what happened.
The Chiefs contained the 9ers vaunted rushing attack.
... Nevermind that the Niners averaged almost the same YPC as they did YPP.
Without the added benefit of the QB being involved as a runner.
... Nevermind that the Niners averaged almost the same YPC as they did YPP.
Without the added benefit of the QB being involved as a runner.
Well They got creative with Deebo and he picked up 53 of the 140 yards or so they had on the ground.
bottomline the 9ers thrived all year with 2nd and manageable and then you saw play action or they just picked up a 2nd and 5 on the ground and chewed up clock. That didn’t happen as often this game. If it happened a few more times maybe that 9er vaunted D gets a breather maybe the 9ers aren’t forced to make Jimmy G a gunslinger.
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San Fran.....old school......Run well (#2 in the league)......play good defense (#2 in the league)
Kansas City.....new era.....Pass well (#5 in the league).....#17 defense in the league.
The team with the better passing offense won.
The old school team had the lead much of the way....and played their old school style....but once they got behind and needed to come down the field and score in a short period of time, their passing attack was not good enough. And it 'looked' like they didn't stand a chance....whereas throughout the game you always had the feeling the KC was not out of it.....because they can pass.
I want our team to be able to pass ourselves to victory. Sure I love Chubb...and want to run the ball down somebody's throat....but more than that, I want to feel that we can pass ourselves back into a ball game when it's called for.
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Kyle Shanahan is a piece of shit human being.
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San Fran.....old school......Run well (#2 in the league)......play good defense (#2 in the league)
Kansas City.....new era.....Pass well (#5 in the league).....#17 defense in the league.
The team with the better passing offense won.
The old school team had the lead much of the way....and played their old school style....but once they got behind and needed to come down the field and score in a short period of time, their passing attack was not good enough. And it 'looked' like they didn't stand a chance....whereas throughout the game you always had the feeling the KC was not out of it.....because they can pass.
I want our team to be able to pass ourselves to victory. Sure I love Chubb...and want to run the ball down somebody's throat....but more than that, I want to feel that we can pass ourselves back into a ball game when it's called for.
San Fran.....old school......Run well (#2 in the league)......play good defense (#2 in the league)
Kansas City.....new era.....Pass well (#5 in the league).....#17 defense in the league.
The team with the better passing offense won.
The old school team had the lead much of the way....and played their old school style....but once they got behind and needed to come down the field and score in a short period of time, their passing attack was not good enough. And it 'looked' like they didn't stand a chance....whereas throughout the game you always had the feeling the KC was not out of it.....because they can pass.
I want our team to be able to pass ourselves to victory. Sure I love Chubb...and want to run the ball down somebody's throat....but more than that, I want to feel that we can pass ourselves back into a ball game when it's called for.
This doesn't change my mind: defense and rushing wins championships, as long as you have some decent passing. 9ers ran into a sick QB. Pat is special. Overcomes any deficit. 24 points behind? Whatever, he wins by 20.
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OK so what was with the little twirly bird act that the entire Kansas City offense of backfield did on that played on by the goal line where they look like they were the Temptations or the pips or something.
I was thinking more the Four Tops!
I was thinking more the Four Tops!
Someone said it was actually a Backstreet boys a routine
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San Fran.....old school......Run well (#2 in the league)......play good defense (#2 in the league)
Kansas City.....new era.....Pass well (#5 in the league).....#17 defense in the league.
The team with the better passing offense won.
The old school team had the lead much of the way....and played their old school style....but once they got behind and needed to come down the field and score in a short period of time, their passing attack was not good enough. And it 'looked' like they didn't stand a chance....whereas throughout the game you always had the feeling the KC was not out of it.....because they can pass.
I want our team to be able to pass ourselves to victory. Sure I love Chubb...and want to run the ball down somebody's throat....but more than that, I want to feel that we can pass ourselves back into a ball game when it's called for.
This doesn't change my mind: defense and rushing wins championships, as long as you have some decent passing. 9ers ran into a sick QB. Pat is special. Overcomes any deficit. 24 points behind? Whatever, he wins by 20.
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Do defenses win Championships ? Do the new rules favor the offensive style of play ? Well decide for yourself.......
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Giants vs. New England New England -2.5 (53) N.Y. Giants 21 New England 17 Underdog-Under XLV 2011 Arlington, TX Green Bay vs. Pittsburgh Green Bay -3 (45) Green Bay 31 Pittsburgh 25 Favorite-Over XLIV 2010 Miami, FL New Orleans vs. Indianapolis Indianapolis -5 (57) New Orleans 31 Indianapolis 17 Underdog-Under XLIII 2009 Tampa, FL Pittsburgh vs. Arizona Pittsburgh -7 (46) Pittsburgh 27 Arizona 23 Underdog-Over XLII 2008 Glendale, AZ N.Y. Giants vs. New England New England -12 (55) N.Y. 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Giants 7 Favorite-Over XXXIV 2000 Atlanta, GA St. Louis vs. Tennessee St. Louis -7 (45) St. Louis 23 Tennessee 16 Push-Under XXXIII 1999 Miami, FL Denver vs. Atlanta Denver -7.5 (52.5) Denver 34 Atlanta 19 Favorite-Over XXXII 1998 San Diego, CA Denver vs. Green Bay Green Bay -11 (49) Denver 31 Green Bay 24 Underdog-Over XXXI 1997 New Orleans, LA Green Bay vs. New England Green Bay -14 (49) Green Bay 35 New England 21 Push-Over XXX 1996 Tempe, AZ Dallas vs. Pittsburgh Dallas -13.5 (51) Dallas 27 Pittsburgh 17 Underdog-Under XXIX 1995 Miami, FL San Francisco vs. San Diego San Francisco -18.5 (53.5) San Francisco 49 San Diego 26 Favorite-Over XXVIII 1994 Atlanta, GA Dallas vs. Buffalo Dallas -10.5 (50.5) Dallas 30 Buffalo 13 Favorite-Under XXVII 1993 Pasadena, CA Dallas vs. Buffalo Dallas -6.5 (44.5) Dallas 52 Buffalo 17 Favorite-Over XXVI 1992 Minneapolis, MN Washington vs. Buffalo Washington -7 (49) Washington 37 Buffalo 24 Favorite-Over XXV 1991 Tampa, FL N.Y. Giants vs. Buffalo Buffalo -7 (40.5) N.Y. Giants 20 Buffalo 19 Underdog-Under XXIV 1990 New Orleans, LA San Francisco vs. Denver San Francisco -12 (48) San Francisco 55 Denver 10 Favorite-Over XXIII 1989 Miami, FL San Francisco vs. Cincinnati San Francisco -7 (48) San Francisco 20 Cincinnati 16 Underdog-Under XXII 1988 San Diego, CA Washington vs. Denver Denver -3 (47) Washington 42 Denver 10 Underdog-Over XXI 1987 Pasadena, CA N.Y. Giants vs. Denver N.Y. Giants -9.5 (40) N.Y. Giants 39 Denver 20 Favorite-Over XX 1986 New Orleans, LA Chicago vs. New England Chicago -10 (37.5) Chicago 46 New England 10 Favorite-Over XIX 1985 Stanford, CA San Francisco vs. Miami San Francisco -3.5 (53.5) San Francisco 38 Miami 16 Favortie-Over XVIII 1984 Tampa, FL L.A. Raiders vs. Washington Washington -3 (48) L.A. 38 Washington 9 Underdog-Under XVII 1983 Pasadena, CA Washington vs. Miami Miami -3 (36.5) Washington 27 Miami 17 Underdog-Over XVI 1982 Pontiac, MI San Francisco vs. Cincinnati San Francisco -1 (48) San Francisco 26 Cincinnati 21 Favorite-Under XV 1981 New Orleans, LA Oakland vs. Philadelphia Philadelphia -3 (37.5) Oakland 27 Philadelphia 10 Underdog-Under XIV 1980 Pasadena, CA Pittsburgh vs. L.A. Rams Pittsburgh -10.5 (36) Pittsburgh 31 L.A. Rams 19 Favorite-Over XIII 1979 Miami, FL Pittsburgh vs. Dallas Pittsburgh -3.5 (37) Pittsburgh 35 Dallas 31 Favorite-Over XII 1978 New Orleans, LA Dallas vs. Denver Dallas -6 (39) Dallas 27 Denver 10 Favorite-Under XI 1977 Pasadena, CA Oakland vs. Minnesota Oakland -4 (38) Oakland 32 Minnesota 14 Favorite-Over X 1976 Miami, FL Pittsburgh vs. Dallas Pittsburgh -7 (36) Pittsburgh 21 Dallas 17 Underdog-Over IX 1975 New Orleans, LA Pittsburgh vs. Minnesota Pittsburgh -3 (33) Pittsburgh 16 Minnesota 6 Favorite-Under VIII 1974 Houston, TX Miami vs. Minnesota Miami -6.5 (33) Miami 24 Minnesota 7 Favorite-Under VII 1973 Los Angeles, CA Miami vs. Washington Miami -1 (33) Miami 14 Washington 7 Favorite-Under VI 1972 New Orleans, LA Dallas vs. Miami Dallas -6 (34) Dallas 24 Miami 3 Favorite-Under V 1971 Miami, FL Baltimore vs. Dallas Baltimore -2.5 (36) Baltimore 16 Dallas 13 Favorite-Under IV 1970 New Orleans, LA Kansas City vs. Minnesota Minnesota -12 (39) Kansas City 23 Minnesota 7 Underdog-Under III 1969 Miami, FL N.Y. Jets vs. Baltimore Baltimore -18 (40) N.Y. Jets 16 Baltimore 7 Underdog-Under II 1968 Miami, FL Green Bay vs. Oakland Green Bay -13.5 (43) Green Bay 33 Oakland 14 Favorite-Over I 1967 Los Angeles, CA Green Bay vs. Kansas City Green Bay -14 (N/A) Green Bay 35 Kansas City 10 Favorite -
A few hints in the old time Super Bowl era the over/unders were in the low 30s to 40s. In the new era they are high 40s to high 50s.
A good defense is quite helpful to get you to the playoffs in any era -but- you must always be able to outscore the opponent sometimes with game winning 2 minute drives.
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A few hints in the old time Super Bowl era the over/unders were in the low 30s to 40s. In the new era they are high 40s to high 50s.
A good defense is quite helpful to get you to the playoffs in any era -but- you must always be able to outscore the opponent sometimes with game winning 2 minute drives.
A few hints in the old time Super Bowl era the over/unders were in the low 30s to 40s. In the new era they are high 40s to high 50s.
A good defense is quite helpful to get you to the playoffs in any era -but- you must always be able to outscore the opponent sometimes with game winning 2 minute drives.
Rule changes favor the offense
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